Other All These People Said They Had Adapters Already...

[thisismyusername]

This is all just about slowly getting people, and the industry as a whole, prepared for a phone that doesn't have any ports on it. Not including the charging brick is Apple's way of getting people used to buying devices that don't come with chargers (i.e. having to buy your own wireless charger). The entire industry is going to follow Apple's lead here; I expect most Android manufacturers to also forgo the charging brick in 2 years just like most quickly removed the headphone jack. MagSafe is Apple's answer to the common "how do I charge and talk on my phone at the same time if there are no ports" complaint. Their next step will be to remove the port altogether.

I personally don't think it's a big deal that they removed the brick. I've got countless charging bricks for all sorts of devices around my house. I don't need anymore that's just going to wind up in a drawer somewhere.

 

[NewUsername]

The funny thing is that nobody would care if they would increase the price of the iPhone with $19, but everyone gets upset if they don’t include the charger in the box.

 

[deeddawg]

Big companies do stuff like this all of the time and we as the consumer can either choose to purchase it, or take our money elsewhere. Apple knows that people are still going to buy their devices in spite of this decision.

This is exactly my point. Thank you.

Whether we dislike it or we don't care, it is what it is. Apple very probably researched this and made the decision that the short and long term effects of their decision wouldn't adversely impact them and likely would provide a long term benefit. Look at the hullabaloo over dropping the headphone port - and now not many phones have them. Previously the kerfuffle over switching to USBC charging. Today my work PC (lenovo) charges by USBC. Even earlier the sky was falling over the elimination of optical drives. Today you're hard pressed to find laptops with optical drives built in.

I suspect this change to including the Lighting to USBC cable, along with the magsafe stuff, is but one step in a process of possibly eliminating a wired connection. The EU / common port stuff I think has been a harbinger of future action and Apple's reaction may be to preemptively eliminate ports. The 13 or 14 or sometime may merely come with the magsafe puck.

 

[bradbomb]

Do you think those bricks came on their own or something? Each brick came with a cable. If people have bricks then they have cables too.

I'm not against the cable change at all (as per my previous post), but I have definitely bought bricks without cables. When my iPad Pro (2015) benefitted from charging faster with a lightning to USB-C cable and a USB-C power block, I bought a USB-C power brick made by Aukey and a USB-C to Lightning cable made by Anker.

 

[deeddawg]

The funny thing is that nobody would care if they would increase the price of the iPhone with $19, but everyone gets upset if they don’t include the charger in the box.

Notice how many threads are discussing that the iPhone12Pro has 128GB storage vs the iPhone11Pro's 64GB storage - without a change to the $999 price. Or that the iPhone11Pro added a third whole camera system the XS didn't have, yet the $999 remained the same...

 

[edhchoe]

I am not happy that Apple put a USB c cable in the box.
If they put a USB c brick it would have worked out better since I bought magsafe chargers.
Wtf apple.

 

[RiverPhoenixx]

Do people not realize how much market research, focus groups, etc. Apple performs and how much data Apple analyzes before making a move this drastic?

 

[edhchoe]

Do people not realize how much market research, focus groups, etc. Apple performs and how much data Apple analyzes before making a move this drastic?

I know they did.
It will bring them more sales and bigger margin and bigger revenue and bigger profit.
I will stop whining since I own AAPL.

 

[edhchoe]

The funny thing is that nobody would care if they would increase the price of the iPhone with $19, but everyone gets upset if they don’t include the charger in the box.

There are millions of people upset that they charge $30 extra for unlocked phones.

 

[C DM]

Do people not realize how much market research, focus groups, etc. Apple performs and how much data Apple analyzes before making a move this drastic?

While they more than likely do something of that sort, in the end, given their market positioning they pretty much know that they can do all kinds of things and still be more than just fine. However, that in itself doesn't necessarily make it or say much about it being good or right overall.

 

[RiverPhoenixx]

I know they did.
It will bring them more sales and bigger margin and bigger revenue and bigger profit.
I will stop whining since I own AAPL.

Sorry, not directed at you, specifically, just the general outrage, when most that are outraged will plug their iPhone 12 into the exact same cable, on their nightstand, as their current iPhone.

 

[Cookie18]

I'm not against the cable change at all (as per my previous post), but I have definitely bought bricks without cables. When my iPad Pro (2015) benefitted from charging faster with a lightning to USB-C cable and a USB-C power block, I bought a USB-C power brick made by Aukey and a USB-C to Lightning cable made by Anker.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant the cables and bricks that came in the box with the phones. I too have bought separate bricks haha.

 

[johannnn]

Correct. But do not tell me Apple did it for the environment.
This was genius business move but a **** move in terms of customer service.
When unpackaging a smartphone or any product, when do you see a company include a part that the consumer probably cannot use without buying another product? I paid for the cable I cannot use now. They made me pay for it and I would have to spend more money to be able to use it.
Don't tell me it was free.

450k cars dude.
Are you even aware they're pushing to be completely carbon natural throughout the entire chain by 2030? This is unprecedented for a company that sells more than 200 million devices each year.

You don't see another company doing it. Because there is no other company that have sold a billion phones. There are more than a billion usb-a to lighting cables lying around.

 

[C DM]

450k cars dude.
Are you even aware they're pushing to be completely carbon natural throughout the entire chain by 2030? This is unprecedented for a company that sells more than 200 million devices each year.

You don't see another company doing it. Because there is no other company that have sold a billion phones. There are more than a billion usb-a to lighting cables lying around.

It's not exactly hard by any means to do something that not only cuts costs but even brings in extra profits all by doing less and shifting the burden of the change onto someone else (the consumer).

 

[SisterBlue22]

Has anyone found a charging block/station that has 2 or more USB-C and at least 3 USB-A plugs on it, and isn't $100? I'm currently using some older Anker blocks, and the USB A to C adapters I have are amazingly slow.

 

[ricktat]

450k cars dude.
Are you even aware they're pushing to be completely carbon natural throughout the entire chain by 2030? This is unprecedented for a company that sells more than 200 million devices each year.

You don't see another company doing it. Because there is no other company that have sold a billion phones. There are more than a billion usb-a to lighting cables lying around.

Not if anyone used them.... Remember they break in a month

 

[Paco II]

Has anyone found a charging block/station that has 2 or more USB-C and at least 3 USB-A plugs on it, and isn't $100? I'm currently using some older Anker blocks, and the USB A to C adapters I have are amazingly slow.

That's a lot of ports. If you're expecting to also be able to charge laptops and multiple devices it would need support a large draw. Hence the cost.

 

[deeddawg]

Not if anyone used them.... Remember they break in a month

Can't remember ever breaking a Lightning cable - whether Apple supplied or third party.

Why are folks breaking them so quickly?

 

[deeddawg]

Has anyone found a charging block/station that has 2 or more USB-C and at least 3 USB-A plugs on it, and isn't $100? I'm currently using some older Anker blocks, and the USB A to C adapters I have are amazingly slow.

I have one of these, and going to two might do what you need:

Cable Matters 72W 4-Port USB C Charger (USB C Wall Charger) with 60W Power Delivery for Laptops, Tablets, and Smartphones in Black

The Cable Matters 72W 4-Port USB Charger with 60W USB-C Power Delivery eliminates the need to carry multiple power adapters when traveling. This high-powered charger can power a laptop with USB-C or Thunderbolt 3 up to 60 watts. Three USB-A charging ports provide enough power to charge smartph...

www.amazon.com

This also works well but note the lower 18W USBC power:

Nekmit USB C Charger, Thin Flat 52W 4-Port Fast Wall Charger with Two 20W Power Delivery and 2 Port for iPhone 14/14 Pro/14 Pro Max, Galaxy, Pixel, iPad Pro, AirPods More, Upgraded

Nekmit USB C Charger, Thin Flat 52W 4-Port Fast Wall Charger with Two 20W Power Delivery and 2 Port for iPhone 14/14 Pro/14 Pro Max, Galaxy, Pixel, iPad Pro, AirPods More, Upgraded

www.amazon.com

When I do get an iphone12pro I expect I'll simply use my existing USBA power sources with my various existing Lightning cables, as well as my existing Qi pads and stand. While switching to USBC would provide faster 15W charging vs 12W for USBA, in my usage that would very rarely make any discernible difference. Likely different for others.

 

[Deinocheirus]

I'm stating facts of the world to folks who seem not to understand such matters.

Why do you assume anyone not actively agreeing with you is "defending" Apple?

Do you really perceive the world in such a binary fashion?

What I think is that you're trolling this conversation now, considering how uninterested you are, as you've told us over and over.

 

[Deinocheirus]

You can get a USB-C charging brick from Amazon for $10. That's assuming you don't have a spare cable and brick laying around after nearly a decade of them being included with every iPhone and iPad. Most people do have something. Those 2 billion charging bricks and cables have to be somewhere and they're not just in the drawers of Apple enthusiasts on MacRumors.

However, people are obviously right that Apple is making more money from this by not including them. That's just a fact no matter how much it might be. It's also a fact that these phones will be a lot greener by not including the bricks and headphones. Something can be two things at once.

I for one am fine with Apple making a little extra money if it means that the equivalent of 450,000 cars worth of emissions are not put into the atmosphere. The world needs to change and companies need to change. The way we save our planet is, in part, by companies figuring out how to profit off of saving the planet.

no one is saving the planet. It doesn't need saving. Planet was here long before, will be here long after. Planet doesn't care what kind of life occupies it. It's gone through dramatic change and seen many different forms of life rise and fall.

If you want to worry about protecting the environment from changes that could effect humanity, fine. That's reasonable, even if futile. But please do not say "save the planet". That's peak human arrogance.

 

[Deinocheirus]

This is all just about slowly getting people, and the industry as a whole, prepared for a phone that doesn't have any ports on it.

Can you explain what the purpose is of removing the Lightning port from the phone, please.

Thanks.

 

[mattyjoe]

People just like to defend Apple.

And people also just like to hate Apple.

 

[rawCpoppa]

And people also just like to hate Apple.

Yes, I can agree with this.

 

[rawCpoppa]

Can you explain what the purpose is of removing the Lightning port from the phone, please.

Thanks.

Might free up more space inside the phone for improvements in other areas.