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Just watch Erica Griffin who can be very technical with display terms. She likes it.

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The chin on the Essential can’t be removed because of it being LCD needing someone for the display drivers and such.

The chin on the iPhone X was able to be removed (and the first iPhone to do so) because the screen was folded underneath itself to tuck the display drivers under the screen instead of in the typical chin there’s always been on all previous smartphones.

You can’t fold an LCD the same way to do what they’ve done with the OLED.
I thought it was the logic board that was folded over
 

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I thought it was the logic board that was folded over

Screen is folded to tuck the drivers underneath and eliminate the chin. The logic board is stacked to allow the two cell battery.

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Here's one thing that I want to know. Because Apple officially stated that it's normal to have burn-in screen, will apple care plus replace that burn in screen? If so, at what price?
 

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Screen is folded to tuck the drivers underneath and eliminate the chin. The logic board is stacked to allow the two cell battery.

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I see. Thanks for the visual. I was thinking it was this from iFixit

"The logic board inside the iPhone X takes up about 70% of the space of an iPhone 8 Plus, despite packing in even more connectors and chips.

Apple has achieved the size reduction by stacking the logic board, to have active components on both sides. The board is essentially folded in half and soldered together during manufacturing."
 
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Here's one thing that I want to know. Because Apple officially stated that it's normal to have burn-in screen, will apple care plus replace that burn in screen? If so, at what price?
Why would they once they claim it is normal?
 

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Burn In is a real issue with OLED. I have an OLED tv and I'm careful not to watch networks that keep their logo on all the time, even during commercials and I don't play video games. There are several pictures of permanent burn in on AVS Forum from OLED tv owners. Static images over time will cause burn in. Obviously burn in on OLED tv's is more likely for those who watch 4 or more hours a day of the same station all the time, such as the News channels. It's highly unlikely that people with iPhones will leave their screen on with just the icons displaying non stop 4 or more hours a day. The screen is constantly changing as one starts and stops apps, check mail, text, etc, so the screen is constantly changing, which is what you want to prevent burn in. That's why I'm glad Apple doesn't have an always on feature.
 

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Burn In is a real issue with OLED. I have an OLED tv and I'm careful not to watch networks that keep their logo on all the time, even during commercials and I don't play video games. There are several pictures of permanent burn in on AVS Forum from OLED tv owners. Static images over time will cause burn in. Obviously burn in on OLED tv's is more likely for those who watch 4 or more hours a day of the same station all the time, such as the News channels. It's highly unlikely that people with iPhones will leave their screen on with just the icons displaying non stop 4 or more hours a day. The screen is constantly changing as one starts and stops apps, check mail, text, etc, so the screen is constantly changing, which is what you want to prevent burn in. That's why I'm glad Apple doesn't have an always on feature.
Well...OLED is not going to last forever, but how likely is the burn in if you're planning to update every 3-4 years?
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Well no. I think they claim ‘slight burn in’.. anything worse than that should be considered for replacement. But it’s a gray area atm.
The reason that I'm asking is because i'm not an annual upgrader. I would upgrade 3-4 years....like 6 plus to x. I just want to know if OLED iphone x is going to last me long with auto-brightness on.
 
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Well...OLED is not going to last forever, but how likely is the burn in if you're planning to update every 3-4 years?
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The reason that I'm asking is because i'm not an annual upgrader. I would upgrade 3-4 years....like 6 plus to x. I just want to know if OLED iphone x is going to last me long with auto-brightness on.

Totally understandable.
 
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Here's one thing that I want to know. Because Apple officially stated that it's normal to have burn-in screen, will apple care plus replace that burn in screen? If so, at what price?
That’s my big question mark, I don’t think it is covered as of now. I leave auto brightness on and hopefully won’t have any problem. But for $1150 plus $199 AC+ I have a big problem with it not being covered. Best Buy geek squad warranty covers burn in on TVs, why can’t Apple or Google cover it for phones. I will be curious if the alleged class action suit against Google actually takes off. Apple could be next if so.
 
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That’s my big question mark, I don’t think it is covered as of now. I leave auto brightness on and hopefully won’t have any problem. But for $1150 plus $199 AC+ I have a big problem with it not being covered. Best Buy geek squad warranty covers burn in on TVs, why can’t Apple or Google cover it for phones. I will be curious if the alleged class action suit against Google actually takes off. Apple could be next if so.
I can see why some people would go to lcd. I know there are various reasons to why they would to 8 series and one of the reasons might be this...seeking longer useage of the phone for those non-annual upgraders.
 
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Well...OLED is not going to last forever, but how likely is the burn in if you're planning to update every 3-4 years?
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The reason that I'm asking is because i'm not an annual upgrader. I would upgrade 3-4 years....like 6 plus to x. I just want to know if OLED iphone x is going to last me long with auto-brightness on.
OLED tv can get burn in with only a few hundred hours of usage if static images are displayed most of the time. The color red seems to be the biggest culprit when it comes to burn in on OLED tv’s. Blue is the fastest decaying color.
 

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not sure there is a perfect tech for displays yet. tech is about benefits and trade offs. oled has better color, better blacks, better battery usage with s risk for slight burn in, lead has no risk of burn in (i think?) but color, blacks, battery usage not as good as oled. when iphone didn’t have an oled version a lot complained they could not stack up to samsung models which had it, now that it has a better display than samsung, people are finding other excuses.

maybe there is future technwhich will mitigate the risks or eliminate them completely. right now all you can do is decide what your priorities are and what your risk factor is.

i don’t envision a “cake and eat it too”scenario where you get the best display color, blacks and battery use without any risk of burn in as it does not seem that option exists or is being promised by anyone. at the present time.
 

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Well...OLED is not going to last forever, but how likely is the burn in if you're planning to update every 3-4 years?
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The reason that I'm asking is because i'm not an annual upgrader. I would upgrade 3-4 years....like 6 plus to x. I just want to know if OLED iphone x is going to last me long with auto-brightness on.

I'm one of those people who upgrade every 3-4 years, Very excited with X... but now it seems like I'm going to wait until December or January to learn more about this "burned-in" issue before I order this.

OP : please update with pictures and if you have it exchange let us know how it goes ? thanks
 
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OLED tv can get burn in with only a few hundred hours of usage if static images are displayed most of the time. The color red seems to be the biggest culprit when it comes to burn in on OLED tv’s. Blue is the fastest decaying color.
In a real-time situation, how can they be applied to our everyday thing? Few examples might i might know that would contribute to degrading the screens would be leaving the screen on with high brightness setting for a long time, or staring at the photos for a long time, or a digital clock. I'm just trying to see this in a long-term perspective as I know I will passing this x phone down to someone and would hate to give something that would be a "burnt"-like screen. I understand that slight burnt is okay, which I think that's fine, but I'm talking about 3-4 years.
 

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In a real-time situation, how can they be applied to our everyday thing? Few examples might i might know that would contribute to degrading the screens would be leaving the screen on with high brightness setting for a long time, or staring at the photos for a long time, or a digital clock. I'm just trying to see this in a long-term perspective as I know I will passing this x phone down to someone and would hate to give something that would be a "burnt"-like screen. I understand that slight burnt is okay, which I think that's fine, but I'm talking about 3-4 years.
maybe an Uber driver who had parts of a Waze or maps interface that never changed position or tone.
 
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I'm one of those people who upgrade every 3-4 years, Very excited with X... but now it seems like I'm going to wait until December or January to learn more about this "burned-in" issue before I order this.

OP : please update with pictures and if you have it exchange let us know how it goes ? thanks
I don't think this burn-in potential will go away from OLED. Maybe if they implement microOLED or microLED.
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maybe an Uber driver who had parts of a Waze or maps interface that never changed position or tone.
You're saying developers could contribute to slowing down the degradation, right? You're referring to static imaging.
 
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not sure there is a perfect tech for displays yet. tech is about benefits and trade offs. oled has better color, better blacks, better battery usage with s risk for slight burn in, lead has no risk of burn in (i think?) but color, blacks, battery usage not as good as oled. when iphone didn’t have an oled version a lot complained they could not stack up to samsung models which had it, now that it has a better display than samsung, people are finding other excuses.

maybe there is future technwhich will mitigate the risks or eliminate them completely. right now all you can do is decide what your priorities are and what your risk factor is.

i don’t envision a “cake and eat it too”scenario where you get the best display color, blacks and battery use without any risk of burn in as it does not seem that option exists or is being promised by anyone. at the present time.

I’m hoping that microLED will be the future display tech that addresses the major concerns of OLED and still be a superior choice to LCD. Just hoping that tech gets developed quickly.
 
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I don't think this burn-in potential will go away from OLED. Maybe if they implement microOLED or microLED.
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You're saying developers could contribute to slowing down the degradation, right? You're referring to static imaging.
maybe developers play a role, i’m not sure. you asked for real world scenarios where the incidence of burn in might be beyond the norm -as you are considering holding this purchase for 4 years and want to still pass a decent phone in to someone else (note at 5 years or so you’re getting pretty close to end of life i think)

so a scenario where the phones primary use caused static elements to display for longer than typical periods would probably be an area of concern....

in real world usage, there is probably nothing more static than the single wifi or signal strength bar - it is pretty much in whenever the display is lit. so seeing how that ghosts over time may be a good indicator for how other interface elements which are not used nearly as much will fare.

i mean, there’s not much more to say than it might have ghosting of some things after several years of use, get an LCD screen while you still can if that’s a major dealbreaker more important than anything else. different people have different priorities, but tech develops at such a rapid rate that one year people are worried about the long term durability of a physical home button, then they’re worried about a haptic button with no moving parts and then we have no button, in the span of 3 years.

i don’t personallly think 5 years from now anyone is expecting the X to stand up to ANYTHING that is available new at that time, and it will likely feel and look “tired” and some components will show “wear”...
 
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maybe developers play a role, i’m not sure. you asked for real world scenarios where the incidence of burn in might be beyond the norm -as you are considering holding this purchase for 4 years and want to still pass a decent phone in to someone else (note at 5 years or so you’re getting pretty close to end of life i think)

so a scenario where the phones primary use caused static elements to display for longer than typical periods would probably be an area of concern....

in real world usage, there is probably nothing more static than the single wifi or signal strength bar - it is pretty much in whenever the display is lit. so seeing how that ghosts over time may be a good indicator for how other interface elements which are not used nearly as much will fare.

i mean, there’s not much more to say than it might have ghosting of some things after several years of use, get an LCD screen while you still can if that’s a major dealbreaker more important than anything else. different people have different priorities, but tech develops at such a rapid rate that one year people are worried about the long term durability of a physical home button, then they’re worried about a haptic button with no moving parts and then we have no button, in the span of 3 years.

i don’t personallly think 5 years from now anyone is expecting the X to stand up to ANYTHING that is available new at that time, and it will likely feel and look “tired” and some components will show “wear”...
I think me saying 4-5 years a bit too much...but to be realistic...i would be upgrading 2-3 years later as more realistic upgrade.
 
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