Already "burned-in" my X

[rawlus]

I think me saying 4-5 years a bit too much...but to be realistic...i would be upgrading 2-3 years later as more realistic upgrade.

it would come down to the expectations of the recipient of a gifted 2-3 year old phone then. you’re not going to care because you’re going to be thinking only of the new phone and how it’s improved, not the phone you’re giving away.

if you’ve done this before with other phone models, then use that experience as a judge, my guess is your pov was, well, it’s a used phone and it works and probably shows signs of use but that’s why i’m giving it to you and not selling you a brand new in box phone.

 

[roeiz]

maybe developers play a role, i’m not sure. you asked for real world scenarios where the incidence of burn in might be beyond the norm -as you are considering holding this purchase for 4 years and want to still pass a decent phone in to someone else (note at 5 years or so you’re getting pretty close to end of life i think)

so a scenario where the phones primary use caused static elements to display for longer than typical periods would probably be an area of concern....

in real world usage, there is probably nothing more static than the single wifi or signal strength bar - it is pretty much in whenever the display is lit. so seeing how that ghosts over time may be a good indicator for how other interface elements which are not used nearly as much will fare.

i mean, there’s not much more to say than it might have ghosting of some things after several years of use, get an LCD screen while you still can if that’s a major dealbreaker more important than anything else. different people have different priorities, but tech develops at such a rapid rate that one year people are worried about the long term durability of a physical home button, then they’re worried about a haptic button with no moving parts and then we have no button, in the span of 3 years.

i don’t personallly think 5 years from now anyone is expecting the X to stand up to ANYTHING that is available new at that time, and it will likely feel and look “tired” and some components will show “wear”...

So in that case every OLED phone should have immediate burn in from the battery and signal icons etc.. right?

 

[rawlus]

So in that case every OLED phone should have immediate burn in from the battery and signal icons etc.. right?

to be clear, i’m not an OLED expert so i have no idea what the answer to that question is.

the OP asked if persistent static elements would burn in and under what scenarios might that happen, i said i have no idea, but an uber driver using waze 8 hours a day, or the wifi and signal symbols being the most persistent interface elements would be an indicator over time if higher than expected burn in was an issue, maybe.

this thread seemed to be that Pat was on the fence about buying an X because the OLED screen may show some burn in/ghosting after 3years and he doesn’t want to gift a phone to someone with that defect.

i’m not sure that this is a question that can be objectively answered as the screen itself has not been in existence for 3years... all we can go on are what is in the wild now. based on the number of posts on the topic, it seems while OLED is superior to LCD in many ways, it has some unquantifiable possibility of burn in.

knowing that do you still get the X?

i offered my opinion which is, in 3-4 years and several phone models from now, i don’t care because what is out by then will be ahead of what we have today and that is reason enough to probably move to a new model and not stick to the old (if you have not upgraded already)

to the point of if you gave someone a used phone 3-4 years from now would they be bothered if there was slight but typical/expected ghosting? also an unanswerablemquestion without knowing the individual in question.

so i was trying to get at the more philosophical underlying question -is the fear of OLED burn in keeping you from buying an otherwise superior phone? choosing to buy into new technologies is a risk assessment which is most often made at a personal level.

 

[roeiz]

to be clear, i’m not an OLED expert so i have no idea what the answer to that question is.

the OP asked if persistent static elements would burn in and under what scenarios might that happen, i said i have no idea, but an uber driver using waze 8 hours a day, or the wifi and signal symbols being the most persistent interface elements would be an indicator over time if higher than expected burn in was an issue, maybe.

this thread seemed to be that Pat was on the fence about buying an X because the OLED screen may show some burn in/ghosting after 3years and he doesn’t want to gift a phone to someone with that defect.

i’m not sure that this is a question that can be objectively answered as the screen itself has not been in existence for 3years... all we can go on are what is in the wild now. based on the number of posts on the topic, it seems while OLED is superior to LCD in many ways, it has some unquantifiable possibility of burn in.

knowing that do you still get the X?

i offered my opinion which is, in 3-4 years and several phone models from now, i don’t care because what is out by then will be ahead of what we have today and that is reason enough to probably move to a new model and not stick to the old (if you have not upgraded already)

to the point of if you gave someone a used phone 3-4 years from now would they be bothered if there was slight but typical/expected ghosting? also an unanswerablemquestion without knowing the individual in question.

so i was trying to get at the more philosophical underlying question -is the fear of OLED burn in keeping you from buying an otherwise superior phone? choosing to buy into new technologies is a risk assessment which is most often made at a personal level.

yea i get it,
but who said it's 3-4 years? might as well be 3-4 months (unless that's not bothering the OP at all)

 

[rawlus]

yea i get it,
but who said it's 3-4 years? might as well be 3-4 months (unless that's not bothering the OP at all)

i was responding mostly to post #85

but the same argument applies. it’s a new product so yeah, it could be 3-4 months. you have no direct experience to go on so you have to decide for yourself what to do. Apple (or Samsung or anyone) is not going to guarantee something will never happen so you can loom at the history of previous OLEDs from Samsung, assume some improvement has been made over time (reasonable assumption) and then you literally have all of the available facts to make a decision. does the value of better colors, display (objective factors) outweigh the risk of ghosting (an unknown possibility previously observed mostly in edge use cases). yes or no. the answer will be different for many and there is no universally correct answer.

 

[roeiz]

i was responding mostly to post #85

but the same argument applies. it’s a new product so yeah, it could be 3-4 months. you have no direct experience to go on so you have to decide for yourself what to do. Apple (or Samsung or anyone) is not going to guarantee something will never happen so you can loom at the history of previous OLEDs from Samsung, assume some improvement has been made over time (reasonable assumption) and then you literally have all of the available facts to make a decision. does the value of better colors, display (objective factors) outweigh the risk of ghosting (an unknown possibility previously observed mostly in edge use cases). yes or no. the answer will be different for many and there is no universally correct answer.

when you "Burn" so much money for this, the answer is even harder.
besides, that puts a big finger on Apple's face regarding "now we figured out we can finally use OLED to our standards" - i would call these problems not very high standards. so don't use OLED yet?

 

[rawlus]

when you "Burn" so much money for this, the answer is even harder.
besides, that puts a big finger on Apple's face regarding "now we figured out we can finally use OLED to our standards" - i would call these problems not very high standards. so don't use OLED yet?

wait. are you speculating on a problem that has not occurred yet or talking about a problem that is current?

how did we all of a sudden get to the conclusion that Apple doesn’t have high standards and that they should not have deployed OLED?

people have been literally bitchjng for OLED for like 2+ years! lol. now that we have it we’re bitchhg that it was too soon? lol.

 

[roeiz]

wait. are you speculating on a problem that has not occurred yet or talking about a problem that is current?

how did we all of a sudden get to the conclusion that Apple doesn’t have high standards and that they should not have deployed OLED?

people have been literally bitchjng for OLED for like 2+ years! lol. now that we have it we’re bitchhg that it was too soon? lol.

if the situation is that Apple is using 3 years old OLED tech, claiming that it's now to their standards, while admitting (only after release date) it could have burn ins anytime, for me it's not high standards. maybe for others it is ok.
i myself would have never bought an OLED phone if this was the situation. even if it had IOS.
IF a burn in can only be seen after 2-3 years for most users, i might think differently.
atm there are too many reasons to be concerned over this.

 

[TheSteves]

I take a picture. It’s very subtle but there it is. In the lower half of the screen, in the right, a perfect rectangle

Whaaaaattttt?

Don’t see anything

 

[dominiongamma]

I’m calling this story fake no pics, and seems fishy

 

[bruinsrme]

Just like plasma screens, amoled screens will shed the retained image after using the display, not by sitting idle. The more you use the display, the less prone it is the image retention, and the faster retained images disappear.
Relax and use the display. The faint images will disappear.

I miss my plasma displays.

 

[flowave]

I would not worry about burn-in if apple has perfected it.
Rather yellowing screen would be inevitable as blue color diode is 1/20 lifetime of other colors.
Color is subjective and apple might not cover yellowing screen.

 

[TimFL1]

The status bar is my only real concern of burn in. Although it does change the font color a lot (between white and black) so there‘s that.

 

[geoff5093]

Why couldn’t Apple just get rid of the bezels while keeping the LCD’s they perfected?

Because OLED has many benefits including lower power consumption, being able to light only the display needed (think of a future always on mode that has almost 0 battery impact), and seems to be easier to use with minimal bezels.

 

[Simacca]

My last oled phone was a Samsung and that had the whole keyboard burnt in. That really put me off oled in the end.

 

[Pascal325]

Yes, obviously. But this isn't so it's burn in.

Image retention clears up from use... exciting the pixels affected clears it up, letting them rest does nothing.

 

[Leonard1818]

Burn-in is a concern of mine on this new screen. I'm not sure there's enough of a discernible difference to warrant the risk of burn-in.

 

[xdexina]

For everyone asking for a pic... this is taken today after 2 weeks and as you see it’s getting worse

 

[Mojopin]

For everyone asking for a pic... this is taken today after 2 weeks and as you see it’s getting worse

Omg the whole top middle of the screen has burned in complet... oh wait that's the fugly notch

 

[gahig ulo]

For everyone asking for a pic... this is taken today after 2 weeks and as you see it’s getting worse

where is the burn in?it looks like a bad screen not burn in.i checked 3 bestbuy and 2 apple store and not a single X has burn in.