Am I the only one confused by new Safari design?

[matrix07]

Yes, new Safari is confusing. Even a simple task like closing tab is now takes a few seconds to figure it out. Using it on iPad it just looks like a mess.
Let put it this way, if Apple allows us to have ‘old look’ back I’ll say most people will choose that.

 

[fisherking]

Another problem. Now just scrolling up too much is make the page refresh even if I don’t want. I sometimes refresh pages like 5 times in a row because I don’t know what I’m doing!

PS: plz people report feedback in the feedback app so Apple can see them.

you can tap on the top bar of a page, and safari will jump back... to the top of the page.

i like the refresh option; am getting comfortable with the new safari.

 

[Premium1]

I am glad they moved the bar to the bottom. Phones are getting larger and its nice not having to shimmy the phone around to try and reach the top to type an address in when using the device with one hand.

 

[gank41]

would love an option to put the address bar to the top.

I’d learn to love with all of the other disliked changes as long as that address bar was back at the top. You lose so much space on various pages.

 

[fisherking]

I’d learn to love with all of the other disliked changes as long as that address bar was back at the top. You lose so much space on various pages.

how do you lose space? the address bar isn't static, it doesn't stay visible...or are you talking about the bar at the very bottom of the window..?

maybe apple will change things up by it's official release, but i like the accessibility of the bar now (altho it took some getting used to).

 

[gank41]

how do you lose space? the address bar isn't static, it doesn't stay visible...or are you talking about the bar at the very bottom of the window..?

maybe apple will change things up by it's official release, but i like the accessibility of the bar now (altho it took some getting used to).

Yeah, even though the bar minimizes to the bottom of whatever page you’re on, there’s still a minimized bar there. It’s not like we gain space at the top, there’s still he small area at the notch that’s visible. Maybe if Safari could now utilize that space at the top.

 

[1rottenapple]

Ok any else bracing to do tutorials for their parents and grandparents. They’re going to complain to me that’s for sure about how much they hate the safari redesign and why did they have to ruin it.

 

[Karl90]

I gave them some feedback about the floating bar at the bottom. The way it pops up and disappears is annoying. But it also interferes with the reachability feature. You have to keep swiping down and hope that one of the times takes before it works.

 

[jahall05]

I am still getting used to it, but I do like it. I will say I wish there was a way to refresh a page without having to tap the settings icon and then tap the reload button.

Give them feedback on this through the feedback app. They let us test this stuff for a reason.

 

[jahall05]

I gave them some feedback about the floating bar at the bottom. The way it pops up and disappears is annoying. But it also interferes with the reachability feature. You have to keep swiping down and hope that one of the times takes before it works.

I think they are likely to take that kind of feedback seriously, as accessibility is big thing for Apple.

 

[fisherking]

I am still getting used to it, but I do like it. I will say I wish there was a way to refresh a page without having to tap the settings icon and then tap the reload button.

Give them feedback on this through the feedback app. They let us test this stuff for a reason.

you can reload by dragging down on the page...

 

[gank41]

you can reload by dragging down on the page...

*as long as you’re at the top of the page. Which means tapping he top of the page to get to the top, and then pulling down. Or tapping the … icon and then choosing the reload option. Instead of, you know, just tapping one icon regardless of where you are on the page.

 

[fisherking]

*as long as you’re at the top of the page. Which means tapping he top of the page to get to the top, and then pulling down. Or tapping the … icon and then choosing the reload option. Instead of, you know, just tapping one icon regardless of where you are on the page.

top? i've never even tried it at the top. i just tap anywhere in the window and slide my finger down... and the page reloads. simple.

EDIT: yeah, i was wrong about this. i have some tabs open, at the top of their pages. if you're further down on a page, you have to tap at or near the top of the page. haters, please note: am admitting i was wrong 🤣

 

[iStorm]

*as long as you’re at the top of the page. Which means tapping he top of the page to get to the top, and then pulling down. Or tapping the … icon and then choosing the reload option. Instead of, you know, just tapping one icon regardless of where you are on the page.

This.

Reloading by pulling down is great and all, but everyone seems to be forgetting or ignoring the fact that a reload also remembers where you are on the page so it takes you back to the same spot. This all goes out the window when reloading by pulling down since you have to scroll to the top first. Don’t get me wrong, I like reloading by pulling down when I’m already at the top of the page, but it seems like a step backwards to require more taps to reload using the … button if I want the page to stay in the same spot after reloading. I’ve left feedback, but I’m sure I’ll adapt if the refresh button isn’t made more easily accessible like it was before.

 

[gank41]

top? i've never even tried it at the top. i just tap anywhere in the window and slide my finger down... and the page reloads. simple.

Ummmmmm…. Yeah. Ok. If you tap anywhere in a Safari window and slide your finger down, you’re only going to scroll to a different point on the page depending on how far you slide your finger.

In order to actually RELOAD the page, you have to either be at the top of that web page (step 1) and THEN swipe down (step 2), or you have to tap the bottom toolbar (step 1), tap the … icon (step 2), and then choose Reload (step 3).

Instead of how it is pre-iOS 15 which is to just press the Reload icon (only step).

 

[fisherking]

Ummmmmm…. Yeah. Ok. If you tap anywhere in a Safari window and slide your finger down, you’re only going to scroll to a different point on the page depending on how far you slide your finger.

In order to actually RELOAD the page, you have to either be at the top of that web page (step 1) and THEN swipe down (step 2), or you have to tap the bottom toolbar (step 1), tap the … icon (step 2), and then choose Reload (step 3).

Instead of how it is pre-iOS 15 which is to just press the Reload icon (only step).

true. most of my tabs sit at the top of the page, so they refresh from there with a short pull down. but if i am further down, this does not work. apologies!

 

[gank41]

Again, IMO, this is all super obvious stuff. Of course this is all super disruptive to nearly every iOS Safari User's workflow. And yes, everyone would eventually get used to it, but only because they'd have no choice other than to change default browsers altogether, thus loosing out on things like an already in place Reading List and/or needing to export all of your bookmarks to another browser (and how would you even do that if all you had was an iPhone or iPad? In this Post-PC world we're supposed to be living in). That's just pretty hostile. I've shown my VERY VERY non-tech savvy wife what Safari looks like and behaves like on iOS 15, and she's immediately decided that she doesn't want me updating her iPhone 12 Pro to iOS 15 when it comes out, solely due to this, regardless of all the other new features she'd get. Now for all of you that are the "I go to so and so for all my tech issue" people, imagine explaining all of these changes come September and imagine your discussions on how to migrate to another default browser on iOS. Apple is just going to assume people will be cool with whatever. And most people will! But there will be plenty that won't be cool with these changes AT ALL. I for one am NOT looking forward to helping the 45,000 some thousand people I can potentially get calls from at the hospital org I work for. That will be a nightmare.

Also, has anyone tried loading up a page from the Safari Reading List and then tried swiping down while at the top? It doesn't reload the page, it take me to my next saved page in my Safari Reading List instead. So when I load a page from there, the only way to reload said page is to tap the bottom bar, then tap the ... icon, and then choose reload. That just sucks. Clearly people at Apple are not utilizing all of Safari's offered features, or everyone at Apple would be asking why there's so much of a regression in usability. Yes, Accessibility gets a +1 for having the bar at the bottom. But for all that it breaks (IMO), and while still offering Reachability as an option, it's all just poor decision making just for the sake of change.

 

[fisherking]

...it's all just poor decision making just for the sake of change.

as people on the macrumors forums know... i love rants. 🤣

we've seen lots of changes over the years (most of them subtle), and we adapt; it's what people do. i don't like everything, but i use my apple devices in the real world, so i adapt; much more productive than crying into the void. (doesn't mean you can't do that).

to assume that apple makes changes 'just for the sake of change' is absurd; some changes may not prove popular, but it's naive to assume that a small company like apple doesn't have at least 2 people to work on a GUI, or underlying code, in a new OS.

seriously, this is a BIG company; there are teams to design the GUIs, etc. there must be in-house discussion, tests. then the betas are released, a chance for apple to get even more feedback, & see what works (& doesn't).

so, it's realistic to expect some changes, revisions, before the final ios 15 release. but don't hold your breath for it to be just the way you want it to be; that's not how things work.


EDIT: while i'm ranting 🤔 ... raise your hand if you want to go back to ios 3. or want to go back to typing 'http://www.sitename.com' for every site. or...

my point is, change happens continually. and with every new ios version, the majority adapt, get on with their lives... until the next ios. why would development, improvement... change, stop now? and the answer is.... it won't.

 

[marzfreerider]

It takes some getting used to, just because you're used to using it a different way. I actually don't mind it the way it is now.

 

[jahall05]

you can reload by dragging down on the page...

Ah. Didn’t know that. Thank you!!!

 

[IowaLynn]

Pull to refresh/reload web pages is common on Edge and Android, so I find using Safari use to be odd man out and less appealing.

 

[fisherking]

Pull to refresh/reload web pages is common on Edge and Android, so I find using Safari use to be odd man out and less appealing.

uh, but this does work on safari now (pull to refresh)....

 

[dhw01]

The refresh button should be next to the address bar.

If it’s too easy to accidentally tap reload at the bottom, it’s as good as garbage for me. Rather have extra steps than accidental reloads..

 

[verdi1987]

It goes against basic usability tenets to have the address bar moving so much. I can accept it being at the bottom, but then don’t make it jump to the top when I tap it to type in an address.

 

[fisherking]

It goes against basic usability tenets to have the address bar moving so much. I can accept it being at the bottom, but then don’t make it jump to the top when I tap it to type in an address.

i'd say it makes perfect sense. you click into it, and then... you don't have to move down to the keyboard to type in an address or do a search... you're already right there. i think it's a great UX moment.