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So, 1800X would cost the double of 1600X for 33% more cores.
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And 1700X would have a quarter more raw power over the 1600X for a 50% higher price.
[doublepost=1487939269][/doublepost]And 1700 would have a tenth more raw power (but no XFR) over the 1600X for a quarter higher price.
[doublepost=1487940682][/doublepost]While 1600X would keep the 16MiB L3.

But maybe it will not come with a cooler, while the 1700 comes with Spire.
 
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I had not payed attention to the fact that 8350 and 8370 have the same base clock.
 
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Still too expensive. 6 Series processors get deep cuts, 7 Series processors get minor cuts. Regardless of the cuts, if benchmarks hold true in real world usage, most of the lineup at current price cuts is useless and too expensive.
[doublepost=1488040774][/doublepost]Wait. Just noticed. Microcenter always has the cheapest processor prices! They routinely sell at cost or often less and make do with motherboard and other component sales. I got my Ivy-E chip for $220ish less than Newegg, but bought my other components from them. $620+ or so processor came down to 450ish tax included. NewEgg, Amazon, NCIX, et al were selling at full Intel MSRP.


FWIW, Wccftech are the tech version of National Inquirer. Take everything they report with a grain of salt. Videocardz is more reliable these days but they have a torrid past of posting BS.
 
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It appears that there are two Thermal Targets for desktop APUs: 65 and 95W. Both with HBM2 on package.
 
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I think in this business it is absolutely normal practice... :(
 
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I place an incredible amount of doubt on such accounts. Especially when you Google out said account and find no real online data. "Pmurphy811" is an incredibly personal username choice and if this is an IT director, it's likely they would use their username on several tech related sites. No such results exist. Though an IT director who claims to be in-the-know would have known that Intel ditched their Tick Tock cycle a year ago and are going through using another iteration cycle. Or that Tiger Lake is going to be based on a new architecture.

Unless Intel are stupid, which may be the case, all it takes is this kind of press making the rounds to ruin their reputation. People already think their product is overpriced and know about the past dilemma with AMD. I've seen several posts like that in the last two days and I'm quite convinced it's a few persons wanting to stir the pot. That last line in the purple post, which I'll avoid repeating, takes quite a bit of credibility away from the claimant. Sounds as if something an angry teenager wrote.

Intel's backhanded deals took place 17-18 years ago. The tech landscape was very different, even so in 2005 when AMD decided to sue Intel. Hoax? Likely, unless Intel are really that daft to pull a quicky.
 
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Seems to me that Apple could very well get some deep discounts for high end Intel hardware to stay away from AMD CPUs thanks to Ryzen. As consumers that should hopefully translate to cheaper hardware later this year as Apple pass the savings on. Perhaps we might see an affordable Mac Pro later this year? If Intel can't clearly compete with CPU then Apple are well placed to continue their path of adding GPU power possibly through AMD Vega.
 
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And adding to thew previous posts, compare with what Anand has written 12 years ago!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3203

Its beyond belief how similar situation was there and how appears to be right now...

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Seems to me that Apple could very well get some deep discounts for high end Intel hardware to stay away from AMD CPUs thanks to Ryzen. As consumers that should hopefully translate to cheaper hardware later this year as Apple pass the savings on. Perhaps we might see an affordable Mac Pro later this year? If Intel can't clearly compete with CPU then Apple are well placed to continue their path of adding GPU power possibly through AMD Vega.
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Yup, that is correct. Im not sure however if this is good for consumers in the end...

Secondly, even if Apple would buy hardware from Intel cheaper, it would 100% sure not result in cheaper computer, for consumers...

P.S. Do not get me wrong here: Ryzen is on par with Broadwell-E, but it is MUCH better value.
329$ offers the same performance as 5960X, 399$ CPU offers the same level of performance as 1050$(soon to be 699$) CPU from Intel. Only 499$ CPU is better, and the overall cost of platform is better.

AMD has two things, compared to Intel. Value, and Efficiency. Two most important metrics, after all.

And lastly, Damage Control in full swing. I have just read that AMD has been accused of using Intel stock coolers for the tests. Well, AMD used their own stock coolers, that are available with the CPUs. And its definitely AMD's fault that Intel coolers are so f****** bad.

P.S.2. From out of all of this I have forgotten. AMD has given to reviewers 51 page PDF with... technical details and features about AM4 ecosystem, the CPUs, etc, etc. No, it is NOT reviewers guide.

They have given the reviewers complete free hand in picking the benchmarks, without suggesting anything. ANYTHING. Its first time in years reviewers have seen this situation. This information comes from first hand.

P.S.3. In upcoming weeks I will write something really fantastic about Ryzen APUs. Its part of technology, that can be "added" if you have Vega inside your computer. Or... outside of your computer ;).
 
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And adding to thew previous posts, compare with what Anand has written 12 years ago!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3203

Its beyond belief how similar situation was there and how appears to be right now...


Yup, that is correct. Im not sure however if this is good for consumers in the end...

Secondly, even if Apple would buy hardware from Intel cheaper, it would 100% sure not result in cheaper computer, for consumers...

P.S. Do not get me wrong here: Ryzen is on par with Broadwell-E, but it is MUCH better value.
329$ offers the same performance as 5960X, 399$ CPU offers the same level of performance as 1050$(soon to be 699$) CPU from Intel. Only 499$ CPU is better, and the overall cost of platform is better.

AMD has two things, compared to Intel. Value, and Efficiency. Two most important metrics, after all.

And lastly, Damage Control in full swing. I have just read that AMD has been accused of using Intel stock coolers for the tests. Well, AMD used their own stock coolers, that are available with the CPUs. And its definitely AMD's fault that Intel coolers are so f****** bad.
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You could say that Apple partly went with AMD to keep Intel honest. AMD reportedly offered Apple deep discounts for their GPUs which kept them going long enough to finish off the Zen project. Remember that Jim Keller, who previously worked on the A4 and A5 CPUs for Apple, moved back to AMD to help with that product so Tim Cook will have been well aware of the expertise going into Zen. Keller has now reportedly moved on to Tesla.

I guess Apple could get a sweet deal from Intel to stay with them and then just pocket the money for the desktop bottom line. There's nothing stopping them from doing that. But if they pocket the money they could well be going up against the likes of Dell and HP who certainly wouldn't be so stupid. They need to keep the sales flowing.

I still can't see Apple going with Zen as a CPU because of Thunderbolt (Intel could be seriously awkward about it) but they will be fully aware that the trickle of professionals abandoning the Mac Pro (and iMac) platforms for Windows could turn into more of a torrent if benchmarks show that reasonably priced 8 core computing is on the cards thanks to Ryzen.

They might not be bothered by any losses for Mac Pro but computing on the iMac could be endangered by Ryzen-based all-in-one products later this year.

Perhaps this is a year that will see a 6 or 8-core iMac Pro with Vega GPU.

Interesting that you picked out a piece by Anand (who has joined Apple). If his insights are valuable to Apple they will recognise his original remarks on the new Mac Pro in 2013. He spotted the bottlenecks inherent in the system. Others have spotted issues with thermal paste, BIOS in the graphics making them unexpandable amongst other design or manufacturing flaws.
 
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Thunderbolt is not locked from AMD. Motherboard manufacturers would have to pay for each Alpine Ridge controller, and that would add another 20-25$ to the motherboard price.

About the expertise. AMD provided to Apple engineering Samples of Raven Ridge APUs in November/December 2015. So they know perfectly well how the architecture works.

Its extremely similar in integer performance focus, as Apple AX CPUs.
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Then why even mention it, unless you're putting up a false façade of being an insider?
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Honesty. And no. I am not an insider.
 
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