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First reviews are leaking.
What the...
6950X vs 1700X O_O
Two things to mention here. Tests were done at stock, because of... rubbish BIOS of Motherboard the reviewers got. So we have 3.4 GHz Ryzen CPU with 2133 MHz for RAM. So this explains also the power consumption numbers.
What the...
6950X vs 1700X O_O
Two things to mention here. Tests were done at stock, because of... rubbish BIOS of Motherboard the reviewers got. So we have 3.4 GHz Ryzen CPU with 2133 MHz for RAM. So this explains also the power consumption numbers.
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Naming Scheme:
Ryzen 3, 5, 7 1700X. Where 7,8 are indicating Enthusiast and Prosumer market target. 4, 5, 6 Indicate performance market. Others, that are not announced, yet - Mainstream.
X - Model with XFR.
Without anything on the end of number - standard CPU.
G - DT with GPU.
S - Low power Desktop with GPU.
T - low power desktop.
H - high performance Mobile.
U - Standard Mobile.
M - low power mobile.
I think this explains a bit about CPUs.
I think this information will leak in few hours.
Ryzen 3, 5, 7 1700X. Where 7,8 are indicating Enthusiast and Prosumer market target. 4, 5, 6 Indicate performance market. Others, that are not announced, yet - Mainstream.
X - Model with XFR.
Without anything on the end of number - standard CPU.
G - DT with GPU.
S - Low power Desktop with GPU.
T - low power desktop.
H - high performance Mobile.
U - Standard Mobile.
M - low power mobile.
I think this explains a bit about CPUs.
I think this information will leak in few hours.
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=284148&postcount=7605
One of people reviewing the Ryzen chips. Jim, from AdoredTV channel on YouTube.
One of people reviewing the Ryzen chips. Jim, from AdoredTV channel on YouTube.
The more and more I see.
For what I would be doing at home. The 7700K is probably going to my chip of choice for another generation at least.
So unless so reviews tomorrow come out to change my mind I'm just going to let my reserve go back into stock so someone else can buy it. I'm not interested in getting it to try and go through the hassle of trying to make a profit.
After delidding the CPU the 6700-7700 will be well under the temps of the Ryzen.
I dunno, today is a little early to make a for sure decision but I'm definitely leaning more towards staying with Intel. (Just because I would never utilize and 16 thread CPU at home)
I was hopeful the difference would be much greater which is the only reason I reserved it.
For what I would be doing at home. The 7700K is probably going to my chip of choice for another generation at least.
So unless so reviews tomorrow come out to change my mind I'm just going to let my reserve go back into stock so someone else can buy it. I'm not interested in getting it to try and go through the hassle of trying to make a profit.
After delidding the CPU the 6700-7700 will be well under the temps of the Ryzen.
I dunno, today is a little early to make a for sure decision but I'm definitely leaning more towards staying with Intel. (Just because I would never utilize and 16 thread CPU at home)
I was hopeful the difference would be much greater which is the only reason I reserved it.
You should not think "16 threads". You should think "8 threads plus a little bit".
When the computer is not idle, there are tons of threads to fill gaps.
I was running my X6 at 70% the other day just doing maintenance tasks.
DX12 and Vulkan games can fill the whole thing.
If you still think 8 Zen cores is too much, I would wait for the 1600X if you don't need to upgrade now.
First reviews are leaking.
What the...
6950X vs 1700X O_O
Two things to mention here. Tests were done at stock, because of... rubbish BIOS of Motherboard the reviewers got. So we have 3.4 GHz Ryzen CPU with 2133 MHz for RAM. So this explains also the power consumption numbers.
Unless I'm mistaken, that's Farsi lettering. This Iranian testing was done with a early engineering sample on a bland system. It was posted over at Overclock.net, a site I frequent regularly. The sample was done on an ES pocessor that crippled the RAM speed and timings. Additionally, the speed was limited to the stock 3.4 Ghz. From what I remember of the thread because it was removed by staff for some reason, XMP wasn't available either on the mobo they used assuming the processor didn't have Turbo and XFR disabled.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...w-and-benchmarks/20+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
The results are sketchy, even if on a gimped build. Just wait until Thursday.
Thats the thing. I have recently upgraded. A 7700K, delidded it tonight. So far run a completely stable 5.2GHz temp maxes at 70C during stress test.
I'd have to imagine BIOS updates, faster RAM timings and better motherboards could at least improve Ryzen performance in the 7700k contest. We'll have to see later today though.
RAM support is still evolving:
- At least some motherboards support XMP.
- Some motherboard already hits 3600Mhz, but there are some issues
- It seems some motherboard is already going for 3766MHz
- 3000MHz seems to be working rather well on some motherboard, but not on others
- Latency needs to be looked at on some motherboard
- 4 DIMMs run slower than 2, at least for now
- Single rank RAM runs faster
XFR does not seem to be worth it. You can only get 100MHz out of this?
Theoretically, the more expensive chips should overclock more. But one reviewer had better results with 1700 (but he was running RAM below 3000MHz).
So for now, 1700 seems to be the way to go. But it does not come with Max
I would like more PCIe 3.0 lanes, but for the price, no problem. Maybe I will settle for 1x M.2, and add a bracket when I need to clone.
It seems many current games are happier just with fast quad core, but for workstation-type stuff it's a winner.
In some benchmarks the 8370 does not look bad, still hoping for a cheap Wraith 8350 to try to make the AM3+ system more bearable.
- At least some motherboards support XMP.
- Some motherboard already hits 3600Mhz, but there are some issues
- It seems some motherboard is already going for 3766MHz
- 3000MHz seems to be working rather well on some motherboard, but not on others
- Latency needs to be looked at on some motherboard
- 4 DIMMs run slower than 2, at least for now
- Single rank RAM runs faster
XFR does not seem to be worth it. You can only get 100MHz out of this?
Theoretically, the more expensive chips should overclock more. But one reviewer had better results with 1700 (but he was running RAM below 3000MHz).
So for now, 1700 seems to be the way to go. But it does not come with Max
I would like more PCIe 3.0 lanes, but for the price, no problem. Maybe I will settle for 1x M.2, and add a bracket when I need to clone.
It seems many current games are happier just with fast quad core, but for workstation-type stuff it's a winner.
In some benchmarks the 8370 does not look bad, still hoping for a cheap Wraith 8350 to try to make the AM3+ system more bearable.
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Scientific, and workstation stuff - Ryzen somehow blows everything out of the water. Especially on price/performance ratio.
In gaming there is some bug with SMT affecting in negative way the performance. Gamers Nexus were able to disable the SMT, and gain 15 FPS in Total War Warhammer in CPU bound scenario.
Secondly Latency of memory can be the culprit which lets down the architecture, so you better buy RAM with very low latency.
Yeah, Ryzen 7 1700 for general purpose is the CPU to go.
In gaming there is some bug with SMT affecting in negative way the performance. Gamers Nexus were able to disable the SMT, and gain 15 FPS in Total War Warhammer in CPU bound scenario.
Secondly Latency of memory can be the culprit which lets down the architecture, so you better buy RAM with very low latency.
Yeah, Ryzen 7 1700 for general purpose is the CPU to go.
The latency problem I referred to was some unidentified issue, it was not slow RAM.
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If you overclock it, at least so far.
After installing and setting up my new 7700K system last night and then seeing reviews and benches this morning, I'm going to be happy with my 'little' 4Core for a while longer.
Seeing a few reviews, I am a little excited because I do believe this will encourage Intel to reevaluate pricing on those 6 and higher core CPU's because that is where Ryzen is really shining. In that performance to dollar area.
It's interesting though for sure just seeing more reviews.
Seeing a few reviews, I am a little excited because I do believe this will encourage Intel to reevaluate pricing on those 6 and higher core CPU's because that is where Ryzen is really shining. In that performance to dollar area.
It's interesting though for sure just seeing more reviews.
AMD's' yet another rushed launch. I don't know why they couldn't wait (oh yeah, the stock market) for software to mature up... because reviews stay and PR disaster is difficult to correct with patched software.
But it seems to be a good Broadwell-E replacement. Kind of sad, that they couldn't release a regular desktop version same time to avoid the mass market PR failure.. now they'll get unfair comparisons among gamers.
But it seems to be a good Broadwell-E replacement. Kind of sad, that they couldn't release a regular desktop version same time to avoid the mass market PR failure.. now they'll get unfair comparisons among gamers.
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No. The same effect we have seen with Nvidia announcing the GTX 1080 Ti. People started cashing on the bubble hat was created before the release of reviews.
P.S. It went down 30 cents compared to what was yesterday. If it would be overhyped it would go down even 10$ in one day.
P.S. It went down 30 cents compared to what was yesterday. If it would be overhyped it would go down even 10$ in one day.