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koyoot

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koyoot

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Now it's not some anonymous blog post, it's some anonymous twitter post...
If you would be more aware of the world out there, you would be knowing that Bits&Chips is actually one of best sources for information lately. Especially pre-release information.

If you have better sources, post them. We will be happy to read their information.
 

lowendlinux

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Everything has a substitute it just depends on how hard you want to work.
I'm not going to move to the Apple ecosystem just to use an alternative
 

koyoot

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And the biggest rumor from the last few weeks about Zen.

Guy from BitsAndChips, on other forum claims that Zen will be manufactured on... TSMC 16 nm FinFET+ process!

And that AMD taped out Zen on BOTH: GloFo and TSMC FF+ processes, at the same time, months ago. Now it really gets interesting. That puts that 6th amendment to Wafer Supply Agreement in much more logical state of being, don't ya think, guys?
 

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It would seem that if AMD leaves DDR3 behind with Zen it would be because of TDP.

Although nobody would mind the CPUs being clocked lower in DDR3 mode until they get an AM4 motherboard.
 

Mago

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Beyond the Thunderdome

koyoot

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AMD has its Zen APU targeted at HPC market so at least there will be an apu with Vega and dual socket.
AMD is planning on releasing two Zen cored 14nm APUs targeted at embedded applications codenamed Great Horned Owl and Banded Kestrel. Horned Owl is a variant of next year’s Raven Ridge mainstream APU and Banded Kestrel is a separate design that essentially offers half the resources of Horned Owl.

;)
 

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Unrelated, but GlobalFoundries announced 12nm FD-SOI. Customer tape-outs 1H 2019.
 

koyoot

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Am I missing something? That puts Naples at half the speed of an Iphone 6 in single core, and only four times faster in multi-core!

Chapter 11 for AMD if that's really true.
Actually I do not know really much about CPU architectures and what affects what, however...
https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/88332

Isn't all this because memory performance need's to be double checked in very wide CPU core counts, and it takes time, and affects the overall performance of the CPU even on the Single Thread front?

So lets take a simple math based on this score for wide Intel CPU: 3000 points from Geekbench/3600 MHz of core clock x 1440 MHz of Zen core = 1200 Geekbench points.
Naples scored 1141 pts in the same test.
1141/1200 = 0.95
1200/1141 = 1.05

On paper, Zen architecture is very similar in single thread design(Floating Point, Integer, registers, cache uops).

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10591...t-2-extracting-instructionlevel-parallelism/7

Lets compare Zen to Broadwell on this front.
Integer Registers: Zen 168, Broadwell 168
Floating Point Registers: Zen 160, Broadwell 168
Retire Queue: Zen 192, Broadwell 192
Dispatch/cycle: Zen 6 uops/cycle, Broadwell 4 uops/cycle
Retire rate: Zen 8/cycle, Broadwell 4/cycle
Load Queue: Zen 72, Broadwell 72
Store Queue: Zen 44, Broadwell 42

Only thing that can let-down Zen at this point is the quality of silicon(not likely, as there will be two designs: 14 nm HP GloFo for server and most likely HEDT CPU parts, but that last bit remains to be confirmed, and 16 nm FF+, for... Zen APUs), and the clocks to how high levels it can clock the HEDT CPUs, and the bandwidth of cache itself. And of course, Zen is not able to work with AVX512. And that the CPU will emulate AVX256, from double the 128 bit feature set.

Those are just my thoughts on this. Lets focus on the architecture itself for this discussion.
 

Zarniwoop

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If Apple is aiming at AMD APU, they could start with Bristol Ridge. Right away after macOS is out.
Mac Mini with AMD A10-9700E and AMD A12-9800E
iMac retina 21.5" with AMD A10-9700 and AMD A12-9800

Same power or better than todays models, but with lower price point.

And is it a coincidence that APFS should come out same time as Zen. APFS supports Security chip and... ZEN comes with one.

Around same time SSG with Vega will become available to consumers.

But Thunderbolt is Intel tech... will Apple ditch it? Macbook doesn't support TB... not even with an adaptor. TB display was discontinued... They already added USB 3.1 gen 2 support to macOS.. which is btw AM4 feature too. AMD didn't release their enthusiast level AM4 features yet... will they release a competitor for TB3? It is a key component before AMD can became a true Pro option. macOS does support eGPU... that requires a fast IO / PCIe bridge.

That was just speculation based on some facts found from the wccftech link.

Intel will own the laptops, but AMD could have a place in Apple's' desktops.
 
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Joe The Dragon

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If Apple is aiming at AMD APU, they could start with Bristol Ridge. Right away after macOS is out.
Mac Mini with AMD A10-9700E and AMD A12-9800E
iMac retina 21.5" with AMD A10-9700 and AMD A12-9800

Same power or better than todays models, but with lower price point.

And is it a coincidence that APFS should come out same time as Zen. APFS supports Security chip and... ZEN comes with one.

Around same time SSG with Vega will become available to consumers.

But Thunderbolt is Intel tech... will Apple ditch it? Macbook doesn't support TB... not even with an adaptor. TB display was discontinued... They already added USB 3.1 gen 2 support to macOS.. which is btw AM4 feature too. AMD didn't release their enthusiast level AM4 features yet... will they release a competitor for TB3? It is a key component before AMD can became a true Pro option. macOS does support eGPU... that requires a fast IO / PCIe bridge.

That was just speculation based on some facts found from the wccftech link.

Intel will own the laptops, but AMD could have a place in Apple's' desktops.
There is talk of ext pci-e ports.

But TB is high cost and usb 3.1 can do the storage speed part.
 
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