You might want to check with MVC with that, I think he stated even the classic Mac Pros can't handle it. That and probably 2/3 of the PC's out there that are either obsolete or need upgrades to use it.
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AMD FirePro D500 graphics card (Mac Pro Late 2013) doesn’t meet Oculus Rift’s specifications
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You might want to check with MVC with that, I think he stated even the classic Mac Pros can't handle it. That and probably 2/3 of the PC's out there that are either obsolete or need upgrades to use it.
Yea, I saw that. Basically no mac pros can do it. But he also said, between the nMP and the cMP, the cMP would likely perform better if you're trying to jerry rig them. That said, the sad state is the no professional mac will work with it.
When you drive on your own, the correct tool is a motorbike or a 1 seater car. Is that what you do? Bear in mind that the vast majority of people do not. All comes down to cost and at the premium charged by Apple I’d expect more.
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You know what though. The Mac wouldn’t. Quite frankly the Rolls Royce example isn’t like your tractor example at all. The tractors and Nascars have to be built to completely different regs. They are different vehicles.
You’re comparing two modes of transport, I’m comparing two cars. You know, ones that have to meet the same emissions regulations, same crash tests etc etc.
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What happened to this part, you’re still here???
Since when does a track race car need to meet the same regulations as a road car? Race car in my mind isn't a road legal car, that would make it a sports car.
But the same can be said here, a decent pc is a general purpose machine, a gaming pc is built for gaming performance, a workstation is built for computational performance. People said they could build a pc just as good as the dual cpu cMP in 2011, for half the price! Only to end up using 3.5GHz quad core i7:s, never realizing a quad core 3.5GHz machine doesn't scale as well as a 2.9GHz (or whatever it was) eight core machine. Even though it stomped the Mac Pro in single thread performance.
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Both the PS4 and XBone do this dynamicaly presently in games and they still struggle to keep a constant framerate...
Yes, the GPU's are old. Like I SAID, I agree with you on that.Apple should feel bad about the GPU's in the nMP.
My problem is that you have now spent 3 G-DAMN YEARS crapping every thread on this board that has even the most tangential connection to this subject.
It's annoying and doesn't contribute to constructive discussions. It's a settled subject. Apple's wrong, you're right. Deal with it!
Don't even acknowledge him with your posts, he feeds off of attention. Report inflammatory people and move on.
Apple doesn't deserve to "win in this forum" when it lets years go by without updating the Mac Pro. Not even a spec bump. And on top of that still charging the same price.
Don't take me wrong i understand the frustration.
But it's like saying i have a 7970 in my PC why doesn't it meet the min req for Rift.
You can build a VR PC for under 1600aud which is 1/3 the price of the Mac Pro quad.
If your serious about VR build one, because i don't see it coming to OS X unless the nnMP has a Nano.
I heavily depend on CUDA but needed better Single Core performance i came up with a workflow that worked for me with my nMP, If i was getting into VR i would be building a PC not whining that my 3 year old computer doesn't meet the spec when NO 3 year old computer meets the spec.
Maybe apple only want to release tock versions, Limits the upgradable aspect of the computer. ei. 2006-2007 and 2009-2012. Not unlike apple to think like that given there solder loving recently.
And the fact most of the computers would be leased for 3 years so the next nnMP will be perfectly timed for new leasing...
Apple always keep the same price, They dont care how old it is.. Its prob still selling so to them they are happy.
But it's like saying i have a 7970 in my PC why doesn't it meet the min req for Rift.
You can build a VR PC for under 1600aud which is 1/3 the price of the Mac Pro quad.
If your serious about VR build one, because i don't see it coming to OS X unless the nnMP has a Nano.
I heavily depend on CUDA but needed better Single Core performance i came up with a workflow that worked for me with my nMP, If i was getting into VR i would be building a PC not whining that my 3 year old computer doesn't meet the spec when NO 3 year old computer meets the spec.
Maybe apple only want to release tock versions, Limits the upgradable aspect of the computer. ei. 2006-2007 and 2009-2012. Not unlike apple to think like that given there solder loving recently.
And the fact most of the computers would be leased for 3 years so the next nnMP will be perfectly timed for new leasing...
Apple always keep the same price, They dont care how old it is.. Its prob still selling so to them they are happy.
Hmm, guess this is first Mac Pro to qualify.
Just took a Titan Black and BINGO !
Just took a Titan Black and BINGO !
Totally agree… I expect the PlayStation VR experience to be basically Wii level graphics.
No thanks.
The PS VR Will as far as I understand depend on a separate box which will provide the required performance.
Someone on Youtube claims to have upgraded to the D700 GPU's from the D300's. Is an upgrade path out yet?
They occasionally show up used on Ebay yanked from a dead machine around $1K each. (X2)
So for a mere $2,000.00 you can "upgrade" to 2011 era GPUs.
There is a snake oil salesman/comic who claims this counts as "upgradeable".
So for a mere $2,000.00 you can "upgrade" to 2011 era GPUs.
There is a snake oil salesman/comic who claims this counts as "upgradeable".
Nice. So that makes the cMP the only machine that works with oculus? Or was that an nMP with a titan plugged into a cage via thunderbolt? What was the CPU on this?
That should be the nMP with eGPU, if a cMP can qualify, plenty of members here will have a qualify Mac.
Using an eGPU to qualify seems like a gamble for Oculus in my mind. Is really an eGPU using a single thunderbolt port (4x PCIE-lanes?) faster than the internal GPUs in real life when actually using the Oculus Rift, the Rift is really something that seems to use a lot of GPU<->CPU traffic and not only the raw rendering data to the GPU?
Have someone tested this? I know that in games some take no serious hit (-20%?) at all when going from PCIE3.0 x16 to PCIE 2.0 x8 even on a GTX980, but some, which use traffic back from the GPU to the CPU (for post processing or stuff like that) take a serious hit?
I guess it will depend on exactly what games one will play on the RIFT and how they use the bus.
Here’s a possibly solution for the outdated Bootcamp drivers.
http://www.remkoweijnen.nl/blog/2015/09/21/update-amd-display-driver-under-bootcamp/
I patched the Radeon-Crimson-15.12-Win10-64Bit drivers to work with my FirePro D500s. Ok, Windows 10 now thinks my computer has Radion cards now but all seems to work nicely. I’ve got Eyefinity so I’m back on three screens when gaming. I’ve got 106FPS in Cinebench and I’ve been playing Far Cry 4 which I couldn’t play with the official (current) drivers because of a bug. This driver also has LiquidVR so it's looking good so far.
Patching drivers is something I don’t usually do so with trial and error it took me a while to complete. However I was still surprised about how easy it is. For a developer at Apple or AMD it would not even take one hour of work. I don’t get it why they won’t provide good drivers.
http://www.remkoweijnen.nl/blog/2015/09/21/update-amd-display-driver-under-bootcamp/
I patched the Radeon-Crimson-15.12-Win10-64Bit drivers to work with my FirePro D500s. Ok, Windows 10 now thinks my computer has Radion cards now but all seems to work nicely. I’ve got Eyefinity so I’m back on three screens when gaming. I’ve got 106FPS in Cinebench and I’ve been playing Far Cry 4 which I couldn’t play with the official (current) drivers because of a bug. This driver also has LiquidVR so it's looking good so far.
Patching drivers is something I don’t usually do so with trial and error it took me a while to complete. However I was still surprised about how easy it is. For a developer at Apple or AMD it would not even take one hour of work. I don’t get it why they won’t provide good drivers.
I updated my graphicscard d700 of my nMP this way successfull. System shows now that I have r9 290 but when I installed the Oculus Rift HardWare Checker, it says that my graphicscard are not supported.
I installed the latest Crimson driver.
since AMD released drivers for Crimson Linux, is there any way to port for Mac in the future??
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-art...ftwareCrimsonEdition15-11LINReleaseNotes.aspx
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-art...ftwareCrimsonEdition15-11LINReleaseNotes.aspx
Umm I can read mate, not sure why you think you needed to enlarge the font and bold it. Pretty condescending really.
Theoretically because Linux and MacOs both come from the UNIX, it's possible though right?