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itdk92

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Not too long ago one could rightfully call me an Apple die-hard. However, as of today I cannot recommend any Mac. Not a single one. Too glued, too soldered, way out of proportion expensive.

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I really agree on everything you wrote, but I don't agree on this.
The only "problem" with Mac products at the moment is that they are terribly expensive.

But the MacBook Pro 15", the iMac 2018 and the iMac Pro are all very good machines, and if money or GPU power are issues for people, then other solutions such as a custom Mac Pro 5.1 or 6.1 are still good.

There are things that could be better, but 2018 and 2019 are amazing years for the Mac, especially after the 2014-2017 years which have been pretty bad for Mac hardware.

And 2020/2021/2022 look extremely promising.
 
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Manzanito

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I really agree on everything you wrote, but I don't agree on this.
The only "problem" with Mac products at the moment is that they are terribly expensive.

But the MacBook Pro 15", the iMac 2018 and the iMac Pro are all very good machines, and if money or GPU power are issues for people, then other solutions such as a custom Mac Pro 5.1 or 6.1 are still good.

There are things that could be better, but 2018 and 2019 are amazing years for the Mac, especially after the 2014-2017 years which have been pretty bad for Mac hardware.

And 2020/2021/2022 look extremely promising.
I guess the macbook pro is a valid option, as long as you don’t need a reliable keyboard.
 

itdk92

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I guess the macbook pro is a valid option, as long as you don’t need a reliable keyboard.

Not much keen on sarcasm in these discussions, as it doesn't add much to the conversation.

Apple are aware some of these keyboards are faulty, and if you have any trouble the repair times are extremely short at Apple Stores, at least here in northern Europe.

Had myself a 2017 15", and at work we have plenty 2016 15" and 13" models and we only had to replace one keyboard from a 13" 2016. This is obviously not representative of the broader scale of things, but just an indication that your comment might be overblowing the issue.
 
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Manzanito

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Not much keen on sarcasm in these discussions, as it doesn't add much to the conversation.

Apple are aware some of these keyboards are faulty, and if you have any trouble the repair times are extremely short at Apple Stores, at least here in northern Europe.

Had myself a 2017 15", and at work we have plenty 2016 15" and 13" models and we only had to replace one keyboard from a 13" 2016. This is obviously not representative of the broader scale of things, but just an indication that your comment might be overblowing the issue.
Leaving sarcasm aside, I agree with you that iMac, iMac Pro and also mac mini are good computers, and maybe a sign that apple is taking computers seriously once again.

The macbook pro, in my opinion, is not. I can’t recommend anyone the macbook pro because of the keyboard, it’s a real problem. If it was as reliable as the previous mechanism, I don’t know why apple has extended the warranty on the keyboard to 4 years.

I’m not in much of a hurry to change my 2013 mbp, but I hope when the time comes to replace it they’ll have sorted out the problem. I don’t like the touchbar, the absence of magsafe and the usbc only, but I can live with those.
 
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Yeah... my numbers with a Vega FE went from around 189.000 to more like 150.000 overnight. They flipped one switch or another in the benchmark. If I remember correctly, it wasn't tied to any change on my side.

That's my observation too. In the last Geekbench point updates the macOS scores have fallen while the PC scores have remained the same.
 
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AlexMaximus

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I really agree on everything you wrote, but I don't agree on this.
The only "problem" with Mac products at the moment is that they are terribly expensive.

But the MacBook Pro 15", the iMac 2018 and the iMac Pro are all very good machines, and if money or GPU power are issues for people, then other solutions such as a custom Mac Pro 5.1 or 6.1 are still good.

There are things that could be better, but 2018 and 2019 are amazing years for the Mac, especially after the 2014-2017 years which have been pretty bad for Mac hardware.

And 2020/2021/2022 look extremely promising.
BruceX my Mac Pro 5.1 with 2x6core 2.93 ghz and Mojave 10.14.4. I got 32 sec on my AMD7970
I purchased the Asus Vega 64 8 gig (External Power supply) and got 15sec
Very happy!
Vega 7 was released so returned the 64 and bought the 7 now crossing my fingers and hoping it will improve Bruce X again and all the Panasonic h264 422 footage I have to transcode in FCPX when 10.14.5 comes ( when will it appear!!! ) any thoughts?

Since you sold your Vega64 you will have 10.14.4 on it when you put the new Vega 7 in your box once it arrives.
Does the 10.14.4 already have a beta driver for the Vega7 included or should it be installed through some extra hack somehow? I am wondering. Can someone in the know shed some light on this.

Besides that, I have a question for everyone that uses a Vega64 with the reference AMD single fan. During the weekend I had some time off and I did a longer steam gaming session on it. The Vega 64 got very hot, way too hot for my taste.
Now I completely lost my confidence in this crappy reference cooler and I think about to jump ship and put a Vega7 card in. -> Is your Vega 64 getting very hot as well (hot to the touch)? Does it develop some electrical burning smell?
I beliefe the three fan setup of the Vega7 might be way better for cooling it then the Vega64?

Whats your experience, can you verify hot running Vegas ??
 

DavideDigitalFilms

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Hi Alex I have the R7 in my cMP now but 14.4 doesn’t see it. I have the flashed AMD7970 in it as well so it boots up fine.
The Vega 64 was quieter and cooler than the 7970. The Rad 7 quieter and cooler than both but it’s not doing any work. Also my 64 was an asus and took up 2&1/2 slots and was a 3 fan design. (That’s one of the reasons I swapped it for the Rad7.
 
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Riot Nrrrd

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I have a Mid-2010 Mac Pro (3.33 GHz 6-core/24 GB) with an AMD Radeon HD 7950 Sapphire Mac Edition with an Apple 30" Cinema HD Display. I'm on Sierra 10.12.6 at the moment but am eyeballing moving to Mojave 10.14.5. I know I can keep the 7950 and everything will Just Work™, but at some point I'd like to go to a 4K or 5K 32" screen.

Great news to hear the Radeon VII has "full support" in 10.14.5, but does this mean it supports boot screen and all? I really don't want to upgrade to a card that can't do boot screen. I had resigned myself to sticking with the 7950 but this thread got my hopes up ...
 

DavideDigitalFilms

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I’m powering my flashed 7970 through the internal mini 6 pins are and connected to the Pcie via a riser cable.
The Radeon VII is connected to the Pcie directly but it’s powered by an external 1000watt power supply.
 

startergo

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I’m powering my flashed 7970 through the internal mini 6 pins are and connected to the Pcie via a riser cable.
The Radeon VII is connected to the Pcie directly but it’s powered by an external 1000watt power supply.
When you turn the External power supply while the MAC is still turned off don't the fans accelerate to full speed?
 

Objectivist-C

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Great news to hear the Radeon VII has "full support" in 10.14.5, but does this mean it supports boot screen and all? I really don't want to upgrade to a card that can't do boot screen. I had resigned myself to sticking with the 7950 but this thread got my hopes up ...
No modern AMD card supports the bootscreen (I don’t know the cutoff offhand). The only current cards that do are MVC-flashed Nvidia cards, but they don’t have Mojave drivers. Also, running an old bootscreen card alongside a newer one is apparently glitchy in Mojave.
 

MacsRgr8

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I assume if new Mac Pro's arrive the must have the Radeon VII inside.... or via some sort of eGPU (i.e. the "modular" Mac Pro)
I just hope that an Apple supported Radeon VII after market card wil exist for Mid 2010 Mac Pro owners, but I think that an eGPU version for iMac (Pro) and Mac mini will become available. which will be pretty expensive of course.
 

DavideDigitalFilms

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May 3, 2019
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Australia
Any performance news for the just released 10.14.5 + Radeon VII?
The two Radeon VIIs seem to be working nicely now
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