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cynics

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Jan 8, 2012
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Dammit, one more thing. The notifications are FAR superior on iOS. Try to natively set notifications on an app by app basis in Android to either give you a flip notification bar, a pop-up window, or nothing at all. Can't be done. I'm sure I'll think of some other things.

Oh, wait. Is the native calendar app in Android live like it is in iOS? But yes, Android has widgets.

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Like I said, I've used all the iPhones, Apple hardware since 1980, so I'm fairly certain I've used computers longer than you've been alive. So correct me, please.

Replacing one evil with another. Notifications on iOS are obnoxious. Just getting them and it blocking the screen where the back button usually resides is a very poor design. I'm constantly swiping at them fighting to get to the back button. "Clearing" notifications doesn't actually clear them.

You're also highlighting the cons of Android and the pros of iOS. Mail app in iOS can't send anything other then pics, sending a PDF is a pain and you are limited to one per email. I prefer cut and paste on Android and its nice you can put the cursor where you press, not restricted to the beginning/end of a word. Native mouse cursor support is nice and I'm still surprised its not offered in iOS. There is no good automation app like tasker available to iOS (I was actually expecting something like that in iOS 7). While you do need to purchase it there are MUCH more powerful Find my iPhone style apps available for Android. There are no settings for the camera like ISO, white balance, exposure in even 3rd party iOS apps, and if there are they are faking it as devs don't have access to this. The camera roll is a disaster! IOS makes NO attempt to organize photos automatically, you can even see dates of when a photo was taken from within iOS (it looks like they might be addressing this in iOS 7). Dev's are given enough power in iOS for apps to function better, like the previously mentioned tasker or things like Drop box can't be set to automatically upload without you manually opening the app. And yes, Android has widgets....

I could make a list of things I prefer on iOS and why too....
 

ReanimationN

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Sep 7, 2011
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You can tell this year's iOS update is much, much better than last year's disappointing one just by how many Android fans it has sent into a frenzy.
 

Switchback666

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Nov 16, 2012
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The multifl0w like multitasking is a welcome change, i hope they get rid of the home button like whe know it now and think of something better :eek: maybe something like the trackpads on macbooks.

In a few minutes i will update my 4s to ios7 ! and see/experience myself the new feel.
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
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Dammit, one more thing. The notifications are FAR superior on iOS. Try to natively set notifications on an app by app basis in Android to either give you a flip notification bar, a pop-up window, or nothing at all. Can't be done. I'm sure I'll think of some other things.

Oh please, iOS notifications arent close to as good as Android. Being objective is one thing and i can deal with that but being a blatant ihomer is clear here.
 
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The Game 161

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Dec 15, 2010
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IOS7 Is improved but it should be..just like android 5.0 will be better but alot of the new features were very android like.
 

Jibbajabba

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Aug 13, 2011
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Apple haters in 3... 2... 1...

Do you expect Apple fanboys in the non-iOS section raving about the iOS7 release?

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Like I said, I've used all the iPhones, Apple hardware since 1980, so I'm fairly certain I've used computers longer than you've been alive. So correct me, please.

What difference does that make? So you worked worked with the Apple 2 / Lisa ... Great ... How does that make one the authority in IOS / Android :p

I love when people try to prove a point like that.

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Oh please, iOS notifications arent close to as good as Android. Being objective is one thing and i can deal with that but being a blatant ihomer is clear here.

Non-iOS Section maybe. But it's still an Apple related forum so I wouldn't expect anything less. No point in comparing apples with oranges (see what I did there).

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You can tell this year's iOS update is much, much better than last year's disappointing one just by how many Android fans it has sent into a frenzy.

Yes, because Apple calls Android features now an innovation :p

*hides*
 

matttye

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Mar 25, 2009
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I think he is simply saying
1. Photo streams now does what Google drive and Dropbox have done in sharing a doc or folder in the cloud
2. iTunes Radio is the same as Spotify, Google Music and the rest.
3. Swiping emails for delete (or archive as GMail can do BTW) is from Sparrow.
4. Disappearing menu bar is another direct response to Chrome's mobile browser.
5. More tabs in Safari? Seriously! Because this "had" to be mentioned shows how out of date mobile Safari really is.
6. New camera filters. Again, direct response to Androids built in photo editing suite.

While these are welcome additions, these features should not be given any praise. These features shouldn't even need a keynote. They should be "expected" by users and automatically pushed by Apple to all users in minor updates. Only reason to tout basic features found in Android phones and tablets via a huge gathering of media, is because you have little else to show the world for a years worth of work. (And I am only referring to the iOS side, not the Mac and OSX side of Apple.)

Just because Apple and Google are in competition doesn't mean the users have to be. I happen to like a lot of the features implemented in iOS 7; why shouldn't I talk about them and praise them just because they were in another OS first?
 

Switchback666

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I think people will find annoying the swipe down for "search" on homescreen, you cant disable it (havent found the option if you can) and it allready started to bug me lol

Control center is really nice and lets hope devs can take advantage of it, ios7 does have a bit of the android vibe going on :cool:
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
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I quite liked iOS 7, I thought it looked clean, modern and fresh. :)
Yeah its definitely brought some welcome changes to an already nice to use OS. I do think its introduced a very Android feel in regards to quick settings, multi tasking and the notifications centre etc and they are aspects of Android I very much like. On the whole its very positive and breathed a bit of life into it. Its clean, a little more vibrant to look at and best of all its still a decent option for consumers. I must admit I'm quite pleased about the lack of widgets, although I would have welcomed the option as long as you could disable it.

This thread is a little juvenile though and only promotes this rather pathetic competition tit for tat battle certain phone owners like to possess IMO. Its a phone OS at the end of the day and digging others doesn't improve ones own choice any more than they'd like to think. I enjoy reading your input though Dave, its nice to share the bigger picture and at least embrace the things we can admire. :)
 

VulchR

macrumors 68040
Jun 8, 2009
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I am not sure what Google is going to have to do to respond. iOS7 seems like yet another catch up OS update for Apple.

They are finally bring their multitasking out of Wanna be status and a little more useful.

Honestly, I thought iOS's handling of task-switching (rather than true multitasking) was going to be as disastrous as the 'cooperative multitasking' was on early version of the Mac OS. However, to the iOS user, it is as though there is true multitasking for everyday tasks. I am not sure at the level of user experience what true multitasking adds, but I guess we'll see (and also whether Apple's implementation is more/less demanding on battery life than Android).
 

sk1wbw

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May 28, 2011
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Not according to people that have or use both.


I guess you have never used Titanium Backup for rooted users, or Carbon for non-rooted users? And all Google Apps auto-update continuously.


For instance? I seem to recall Android having integrated features before iOS, then Apple copied the feature. Facebook comes to mind. Quick setting toggles and Notification Center also come to mind.

I find this a bit hard to believe considering you seem to not like Android, nor do you seem to have much knowledge on how to use it.

As I said above, takes 5 minutes to do a full restore or as little as 1 second for individual app restores. And you aren't dependent on a computer or cloud backup to do it either.


App badges? You mean those little red boxes with numbers in the corner of an app? Those things are great to notify you of updates when the phone is off, or when the app isn't on your homescreen aren't they? Speaking of updated apps, have you enjoyed having to click on each app individually just to see if you could update it? Must have been awesome.


So you have weather and stock widgets turned off on your iPhone, right?


Wrong. But nice try.


iOS is so awesome at copy and paste, you can copy a file from the directory and place it into any app you want... oh wait.
Or better yet, copy, paste or attach any file, from any folder into an email? oh wait.
Maybe you mean copy a word from any app, webpage, etc and paste it into any app or webpage you want? Both Android and iOS do that.

But here is the best part with your statement: When you reply to this thread, under additional options below your response is a box to Attach Files and Manage Attachments. Try and use that with iOS. LOL Or try the same with image shack.

You do not have to purchase apps to do proper backups and restores on iOS. Plus it works much better than it does on Android. I had to restore my Galaxy Nexus the other day. Half of the apps got restored and none of the data got restored. None of it.

And app badges take up less room than widgets. You can't argue on that one. I know I'm insulting your OS of choice and all, but that doesn't make me wrong. I'm using both OS's, so I have experience here. I never said I didn't like Android, I'm saying that as a user of both, I still find iOS superior in most everything. But yeah, Android has widgets.
 

mattopotamus

macrumors G5
Jun 12, 2012
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You do not have to purchase apps to do proper backups and restores on iOS. Plus it works much better than it does on Android. I had to restore my Galaxy Nexus the other day. Half of the apps got restored and none of the data got restored. None of it.

And app badges take up less room than widgets. You can't argue on that one. I know I'm insulting your OS of choice and all, but that doesn't make me wrong. I'm using both OS's, so I have experience here. I never said I didn't like Android, I'm saying that as a user of both, I still find iOS superior in most everything. But yeah, Android has widgets.

I feel like you are throwing out something people use to mention when android first came around. Assault did a pretty good job at pointing out a lot of differences between the two. His response was useful and full of facts, your response feels like someone trying to ruffle feathers on purpose.
 

Michael Goff

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My view on what I saw was welcome Apple to 2 years ago.

This was yet another catch up year for Apple as a good chunk of those "new" features are yet again from Android ICS.

The multitasking change is a pretty much exact match to android. Only differens is it goes horizontal compared to vertical.

No.

Multitasking is pretty much WebOS. You have cards that you can swipe off screen that will probably "kill the task". >_>

Of course, Android is becoming more WebOS with each passing iteration too.
 

sk1wbw

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May 28, 2011
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I feel like you are throwing out something people use to mention when android first came around. Assault did a pretty good job at pointing out a lot of differences between the two. His response was useful and full of facts, your response feels like someone trying to ruffle feathers on purpose.

No his were not. I am talking about built in functionality of iOS. Of course I've heard of these paid backup programs. I have two Android devices, do you honestly think I haven't tried them yet? And you do not have to jailbreak an iPhone to get the proper backup and restore functionality. Most of those backup programs on Android require a rooted device. Plus you have to pay for them.
 

Tarzanman

macrumors 65816
Jul 16, 2010
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No.

Multitasking is pretty much WebOS. You have cards that you can swipe off screen that will probably "kill the task". >_>

Of course, Android is becoming more WebOS with each passing iteration too.

As an owner of an HP Touchpad and a Galaxy Nexus + Nexus 7 I will say "Mmmm, no. Not such much".

WebOS's window management is probably the only feature that Android has emulated. I do not percieve upper right hand menus as particular to WebOS (Windows 3.1 and old Mac Quadros had them).

WebOS is dead in the water. :-( My HP touchpad functions as a very large, very bright Clock & Alarm on my night stand. When I need to read or browse the web in bed, I still reach for the Nexus 7 first.
 

viskon

macrumors 6502
Oct 20, 2012
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My HP touchpad functions as a very large, very bright Clock & Alarm on my night stand. When I need to read or browse the web in bed, I still reach for the Nexus 7 first.

Off topic - why is your HP Touchpad still running WebOS ? :confused:
Mine is rocking CM10.:thumbup:

On topic - iOS7 's take on WebOS multitasking looks like it is not using the screen space all that well. The screen shots show only 2 cards on the screen. Looks like an awful lot of swiping will be needed.
 

Michael Goff

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As an owner of an HP Touchpad and a Galaxy Nexus + Nexus 7 I will say "Mmmm, no. Not such much".

WebOS's window management is probably the only feature that Android has emulated. I do not percieve upper right hand menus as particular to WebOS (Windows 3.1 and old Mac Quadros had them).

WebOS is dead in the water. :-( My HP touchpad functions as a very large, very bright Clock & Alarm on my night stand. When I need to read or browse the web in bed, I still reach for the Nexus 7 first.

Okay, so Android's thing isn't WebOS...

iOS 7's multitasking is, though.
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
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For instance? I seem to recall Android having integrated features before iOS, then Apple copied the feature. Facebook comes to mind. Quick setting toggles and Notification Center also come to mind.
A lot of apps are tested on Android before they are released on iOS because of the outreach it provides. It means a lot of bugs and glitches are ironed out before iOS users get them and I'm fine with that. Its nice to see some of the nicer features of Android appearing on iOS from my point of view.
What bothers people like me though, is that Apple sues people exactly for what it is doing. They are hypocrites and should be slammed publicly for their actions. I look forward to the day when they get gut checked on this sort of thing.
To be honest I think you are in the minority when it comes to being bugged by Apple's court cases. I couldn't give a toss who they sue or what they steal as long as I get a product that is nice to use and does everything I want it to do. We are consumers at the end of the day and worrying about how companies we are not involved in is a little strange IMO.

Just enjoy what you have and buy what you like. No point being lead by the crowd or influenced by silly tit for tat.
 

viskon

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Oct 20, 2012
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Okay, so Android's thing isn't WebOS...

iOS 7's multitasking is, though.

WebOS' multitasking implementation is really slick. All the cards are bundled together, much like you hold playing cards in the hand. You can then pull the needed cards out of the pack.

While my first impression was " WebOS ! ", based on what i see, i would say iOS 7 's implementation is Android . Only, Android's goes vertically , thus using the screen space better.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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The multifl0w like multitasking is a welcome change, i hope they get rid of the home button like whe know it now and think of something better :eek: maybe something like the trackpads on macbooks.

In a few minutes i will update my 4s to ios7 ! and see/experience myself the new feel.

I'm actually going to miss the old way of switching programs, with the icons on the bottom of the screen. The new way mimics Android, except it's horizontal instead of vertical, but I never liked it, I found it much easier to pick out programs by the icon, not by a screen grab which was confusing to me at times. I'm also confused why some media are calling it "true multitasking"? Isn't is the same exact thing they have now only with a different graphical representation, and having it as a screen grab instead of an icon?

I also like the home button, I hope they never do anything as horrid as the onscreen buttons in Android, I much prefer the androids with a hard home button like Samsung has. Just makes it easier to do things one handed, in the dark, etc.
 

otismotive77

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May 18, 2013
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i think it looks way better than the iOS6, but i will say that it still doesnt has many features and some(i found 2) of the new things are ugglier than in iOS6.
 

AQUADock

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Mar 20, 2011
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I'm also confused why some media are calling it "true multitasking"? Isn't is the same exact thing they have now only with a different graphical representation, and having it as a screen grab instead of an icon?.

The OS now monitors your most used apps and either keeps them running in the background or pauses them accordingly.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
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God what an awful and ridiculous thread this is.....

Such predictability in the responses its like many of you don't have any original thoughts of your own.

Then you turn around and bash Apple for "copying".

Here's a rundown of the "major" features released at Google I/O 2013:

-Play Games (Game Center)
-Added functionality to Google Now (things like reminders, alarms - stuff Siri already had)
-More "fluidity" (Project Butter has been a DIRECT play at obtaining iOS-like smoothness)
-Geofencing
-Added dev tools and APIs (to compete with the iOS dev environment)
-Play Music All-Access (got it in right before Apple's keynote and the iTunes Radio - same ideas, vastly different implementations though)
-A stock high-end flagship (fragmentation fighter?)

All-in-all, most of the things Google released at I/O this year were either direct competition and response to something Apple already had or was rumored to be releasing (iTunes Radio).

Where were all of you crying about "copying" after that presentation?

The fact is, neither company "copies" because they implement similar tasks. Each OS is independent with a vastly different base and philosophy behind it. Can we please stop the idiotic double-standards and comparisons about who was "first". Newflash - there are only so many things to do on a smartphone and a finite number of ways to accomplish those tasks.....there is going to be some overlap - especially as we enter the smartphone's maturity.

We can like the products of each company without emulating the childishness they sometimes show with these ridiculous lawsuits. I know everyone in this area loves to make a huge deal about Apple's lawsuits, but Samsung is suing Apple for using 3G tech......really?

All these companies do this. Unfortunately, frivolous lawsuits have become part of the industry and even more unfortunately, the real lawsuits and breaches of IP are lost in the shuffle.

But just because this happens on their level doesn't mean we have to act like moronic d***s and put down the users of the other platform. Its time to grow up and get out of your mom's basement (I mean that figuratively, though maybe literally to some).

If you are one of the people stuck on the fact that Android has had live weather animations for years, Android is for you. You are the person who cares about a laundry list of features and whether or not you get them before anyone else. Try to realize, not every one thinks like you. And you aren't going to be able to understand the reasons why some of us prefer iOS.

Instead of acting like you know everything and berating those of us excited about iOS 7 based on your own narrow views on what makes an OS great, just go hold your Android phone tight and leave us alone.

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I'm actually going to miss the old way of switching programs, with the icons on the bottom of the screen. The new way mimics Android, except it's horizontal instead of vertical, but I never liked it, I found it much easier to pick out programs by the icon, not by a screen grab which was confusing to me at times. I'm also confused why some media are calling it "true multitasking"? Isn't is the same exact thing they have now only with a different graphical representation, and having it as a screen grab instead of an icon?

I also like the home button, I hope they never do anything as horrid as the onscreen buttons in Android, I much prefer the androids with a hard home button like Samsung has. Just makes it easier to do things one handed, in the dark, etc.

Not to point you out or anything spinedoc, but your post illustrates a problem with many others here who either don't read or choose not to read the actual features and info.

Before accusing iOS 7 of being uninnovative or the same, how about actually being informed on the features they listed (which weren't all the features in iOS 7 by the way.....I've seen some people complain that we're only getting 10 new features.....Hair Supply clearly stated that's all they had time to show and that there are a host of other features).

I know you're an iOS guy - don't be like these Android rejects. Comb through the iOS 7 pages on Apple's website.....I had to a few times to take it all in. There's a lot going on behind the scenes in both iOS 7 and OS X mavericks that add a lot more functionality.
 
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Assault

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Mar 19, 2013
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I also like the home button, I hope they never do anything as horrid as the onscreen buttons in Android, I much prefer the androids with a hard home button like Samsung has. Just makes it easier to do things one handed, in the dark, etc.

Onscreen and programmable capacitive are better than clunky push buttons that are known to fail frequently, especially on iphones. There is just so many times you can push a button before failure occurs.
I have an S3 with a home button, but I never use it. I have options like ribbon bars, pie control, programmable capacitive buttons, navigation bar and so on to do what I want and how I want to do. And why do you think you would have trouble in the dark without a home button? All of these examples light up. And all can be used one handed.
 
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