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Dr McKay

macrumors 68040
Aug 11, 2010
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Kirkland
Its just my subjective opinion, but a physical button is MUCH easier to use, more accurate and in my experience I've never seen a button wear out, I've got phones that are years old and must have had their home buttons pressed tens of thousands of times. Plus I hate the screen real estate you lose.

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Nice, good to know.

I wish I'd had your luck. I had to go to the Apple store 4 times with broken home buttons, once with my original iPhone, the 3G twice, and the 4. My 4S got replaced after 6 months due to a scratched camera lens so it didn't have time to fail (although it has lost its'click' and was offering much less resistance)

I dislike how much room software keys take up too, if much prefer the smaller capacitive buttons on my phone, no wearing out.
 

SpaceKitty

macrumors 68040
Nov 9, 2008
3,204
1
Fort Collins Colorado
I can't say Android is better in any way than my iPhone 4S or even my iPad Mini.

Obviously the apps in iOS kick what is on the Play store to the curb for the most part. There are a handful of apps that I have on my Nexus 4 that are the same tablet versions that I get on my Mini but for the most part, they are just scaled up phone versions.

The battery life on my Nexus 7 is the wosrt of any device that I have ever owned. Just sitting there tonight doing NOTHING with it at my job, it dropped 20% in 6 hours. Yes, that;s right, the Nexus 7 lost 20% battery life just sitting there doing nothing. I used my iPad Mini tonight and after 6 hours at my job, the battery life was at 98%.

I'm really thinking of selling both my Nexus 7 32GB cellular version and my 16GB Nexus 4. I gave them each four months and not sure I am thrilled with the Android side of things.
 

ReanimationN

macrumors 6502a
Sep 7, 2011
724
0
Australia
I can't say Android is better in any way than my iPhone 4S or even my iPad Mini.

Obviously the apps in iOS kick what is on the Play store to the curb for the most part. There are a handful of apps that I have on my Nexus 4 that are the same tablet versions that I get on my Mini but for the most part, they are just scaled up phone versions.

The battery life on my Nexus 7 is the wosrt of any device that I have ever owned. Just sitting there tonight doing NOTHING with it at my job, it dropped 20% in 6 hours. Yes, that;s right, the Nexus 7 lost 20% battery life just sitting there doing nothing. I used my iPad Mini tonight and after 6 hours at my job, the battery life was at 98%.

I'm really thinking of selling both my Nexus 7 32GB cellular version and my 16GB Nexus 4. I gave them each four months and not sure I am thrilled with the Android side of things.

Yeah, 4.2 destroyed the N7's standby battery life. I thought the device was bad with 4.1, 4.2 made a few things a lot, lot worse.
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
17,317
25,469
Wales, United Kingdom
Some of you defending iOS7 sound like damn psychologists.
I know it's silly isn't it? One side of us are defending it and others criticising it when neither really have the experience yet to do so. It's almost a bit like a defence mechanism for one and an automatic attack for the other :p

Both equally valid with the experience available though.
 

mib1800

Suspended
Sep 16, 2012
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You can tell there are lots of shook android lovers out there.

Really? :p

What has really changed in iOS7? Putting aside the mostly COSMESTIC changes, only the control centre and "multi-tasking" (whatever that means) are new.

- Air Drop? why another proprietary file transfer instead of BT/Wifi-direct
- Camera Filters? - still far from what the S4 cam can do.
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
17,317
25,469
Wales, United Kingdom
Really? :p

What has really changed in iOS7? Putting aside the mostly COSMESTIC changes, only the control centre and "multi-tasking" (whatever that means) are new.

- Air Drop? why another proprietary file transfer instead of BT/Wifi-direct
- Camera Filters? - still far from what the S4 cam can do.
Why are S4 users so bothered by it then? I admit I haven't educated myself on too much of what the S4 can do, but then again I don't own one so don't really need to know too much. Apple unveal iOS 7 and so many people feel its their duty to rubbish it before its even been used by the wider demographic.
 

mib1800

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Sep 16, 2012
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Why are S4 users so bothered by it then? I admit I haven't educated myself on too much of what the S4 can do, but then again I don't own one so don't really need to know too much. Apple unveal iOS 7 and so many people feel its their duty to rubbish it before its even been used by the wider demographic.

Who's bothered by it? iOS supporters seem to think that with mostly comestic changes and few new functionalities and suddenly iOS leapfrog ahead. IMO, the new iOS should be rubbished (by Apple fans) because a lot of it is copied from others. Isnt Apple supposed to be most "innovative" in (most) Ifans eyes? Is that lost forever?
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
17,317
25,469
Wales, United Kingdom
Who's bothered by it? iOS supporters seem to think that with mostly comestic changes and few new functionalities and suddenly iOS leapfrog ahead. IMO, the new iOS should be rubbished (by Apple fans) because a lot of it is copied from others. Isnt Apple supposed to be most "innovative" in (most) Ifans eyes? Is that lost forever?
I'm not of the opinion it has 'leapfrogged' ahead because I'm only interested in comparing it to what I am currently using and that is iOS 6. I couldn't give a toss whether the features are copied from elsewhere because it makes absolutely no difference to me. If Apple have taken a few features from competitors and made the OS better then who am I to argue? Its only certain Android and iOS users who feel they are on a crusade to prove why one is better than the other and rubbish the competition and to be honest I've got much better things to do with my life than have petty arguments over such trivial things.

Apple may have once been the innovator of the smartphone market but I am fully aware the competition are stronger now than they were in 2007. Only so much innovation can be brought in and eventually we'll see products that slow down in the feature race and just deliver a quality product the consumer wants. I don't care about eye scrolling or whether I can fart on my phone to answer it. I just like a nice simple to use device that does all the things I need it to do and in a pleasant way. I can't see why iOS 7 is suddenly a disappointment? iOS 6 is great to use and this is an improvement beyond that. I am looking forward to updating and trying out out for myself rather than looking at screen grabs and squabbling over icon aesthetics, and working myself up into a frenzy because some guy on the internet says his phone has had those features for years.
 

Switchback666

macrumors 68000
Nov 16, 2012
1,600
67
SXM
I'm actually going to miss the old way of switching programs, with the icons on the bottom of the screen. The new way mimics Android, except it's horizontal instead of vertical, but I never liked it, I found it much easier to pick out programs by the icon, not by a screen grab which was confusing to me at times. I'm also confused why some media are calling it "true multitasking"? Isn't is the same exact thing they have now only with a different graphical representation, and having it as a screen grab instead of an icon?

I also like the home button, I hope they never do anything as horrid as the onscreen buttons in Android, I much prefer the androids with a hard home button like Samsung has. Just makes it easier to do things one handed, in the dark, etc.

I really like the new multitask :) works like multifl0w with the swipe up to close and the big app icon along with the name, with a new gesture it would be fantastic instead of the double click wich im starting to hate lol

Regarding the "true" multitasking i dont know for sure because i dont have any app to confirm (i guess new api and devs need to update ?) but there is a new options to disable apps that update in the background.

I can tell you ios7 feels more like windows phone but you get an android vibe also :eek: but wow the lag is a bummer on my 4s, i know its a beta but people need to get a grip :p this thing have a lot of new animations and overall more heavy (the update was over 1gb! they used to be like 700mb) and i doubt it will ever be smooth on the iphone 4 and 4s.

I dont know how people can say apple implemented quick toogles (control center) better than android lol you cant change default ones atleast for now along with the quick access for apps :eek: only calculator, camera, flashlight and clock.

The best thing imo about the update and people seem to not care about it is that now you can finally use facetime for regular calls, facetime audio.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
Beyond me, my friend. I will say, though, that the iOS crowd seems to be the most concerned, in general, with looks. I will never understand how the look of an OS is more important than the function of said OS. But hey, to each his own.

Dude, go into the iOS 7 section on MR! It's incredible!

Those aren't the colors I would have pick but their are tons of people that are saying they will never buy another iOS device. Because of COLORS! I really don't think they are that bad on a different colored background. I'm looking forward to iOS 7 for the additional functionality not dreading it because a icon color.

I'm starting to think the Android crowd is liking iOS 7 more then the iPhone crowd.
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
6,185
992
Las Vegas, NV
I'm not of the opinion it has 'leapfrogged' ahead because I'm only interested in comparing it to what I am currently using and that is iOS 6. I couldn't give a toss whether the features are copied from elsewhere because it makes absolutely no difference to me. If Apple have taken a few features from competitors and made the OS better then who am I to argue? Its only certain Android and iOS users who feel they are on a crusade to prove why one is better than the other and rubbish the competition and to be honest I've got much better things to do with my life than have petty arguments over such trivial things.

Apple may have once been the innovator of the smartphone market but I am fully aware the competition are stronger now than they were in 2007. Only so much innovation can be brought in and eventually we'll see products that slow down in the feature race and just deliver a quality product the consumer wants. I don't care about eye scrolling or whether I can fart on my phone to answer it. I just like a nice simple to use device that does all the things I need it to do and in a pleasant way. I can't see why iOS 7 is suddenly a disappointment? iOS 6 is great to use and this is an improvement beyond that. I am looking forward to updating and trying out out for myself rather than looking at screen grabs and squabbling over icon aesthetics, and working myself up into a frenzy because some guy on the internet says his phone has had those features for years.

I dont really care at all about iOS 7 but Apple seems to have copied many features from Android.... Which is fine but stop with all the lawsuits while they continue to copy others as they always have. I just don't care for hypocrites.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
7,382
2
Screen real estate you lose? Have you seen the size of the bezel required for that huge round home button? It's one of the reasons why the iPhone doesn't even reach the 4" screen size. Huge bezel for that huge home button.

As for home button failures, you know exactly what I am referring to. There are hundreds of threads on how to fix unresponsive and broken home buttons on this very forum.

Look how much bezel is wasted on a home button. Imagine the screen going all the way down and then having programmable, onscreen buttons that are only 45 pixels high (which is normal height for Android), which is roughly 1/3 the height of the bezel shown here. In reality, you gain real estate, not lose it. Just saying.
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Don't forget about the navigation panel too that takes up on screen real estate for the "back" buttons in iOS. So you have the home button trading up bezzle then the navigation panel taking up on screen real estate. Double whammy.
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
17,317
25,469
Wales, United Kingdom
I dont really care at all about iOS 7 but Apple seems to have copied many features from Android.... Which is fine but stop with all the lawsuits while they continue to copy others as they always have. I just don't care for hypocrites.
I agree, but they are not the only company filing petty lawsuits are they? Samsung are just as bad and HTC have recently sued Nokia in similar circumstances. Its a bit silly taking umbrage with one company when they are all as guilty as each other in this respect IMO.

None of these law suits influence me however as I feel they can waste as much money as they like as long as I have the choice to buy the products I want. It present I do. I'd never say I dislike or wouldn't buy products from a certain manufacturer just because they've sued a competitor. What good would that do me? lol
 

Fireblade

macrumors 65816
Jan 25, 2011
1,101
321
Italy
Don't forget about the navigation panel too that takes up on screen real estate for the "back" buttons in iOS. So you have the home button trading up bezzle then the navigation panel taking up on screen real estate. Double whammy.

I see no problem with this, because the display on the iPhone is big enough.
 

ugahairydawgs

macrumors 68030
Jun 10, 2010
2,965
2,472
Really? :p

What has really changed in iOS7? Putting aside the mostly COSMESTIC changes, only the control centre and "multi-tasking" (whatever that means) are new.

- Air Drop? why another proprietary file transfer instead of BT/Wifi-direct
- Camera Filters? - still far from what the S4 cam can do.

A couple of reasons....

1.) The experience is generally better when you control all aspects of a service. Its why Airplay works pretty seamlessly while something non-proprietary like DLNA is, at times, a mess. But even if that wasn't the case, we'd still be left with....

2.) Apple is a hardware company. They want you to buy their hardware (often). So they create these services that generally only work on their devices (with a few exceptions) in order to keep you coming back for more hardware. You may or may not agree with this type of business model, but it is what it is. The benefit of buying into Apple's way of doing things is that it is very convenient to do so and their hardware intermingles well together right out of the box. No tinkering required. And that's a draw for a LOT of people. But if that doesn't appeal to you and the open-ness of Android and the options that become available to you through it suit you better then that's fine too.

We have a lot of options that lend themselves to making everyone happy along the way. The problem we run into is folks thinking what they feel is the best is automatically the best for everyone. That's what leads to irrational pissing matches that we see on sites like this constantly.
 

mattopotamus

macrumors G5
Jun 12, 2012
14,738
6,109
A couple of reasons....

1.) The experience is generally better when you control all aspects of a service. Its why Airplay works pretty seamlessly while something non-proprietary like DLNA is, at times, a mess. But even if that wasn't the case, we'd still be left with....

2.) Apple is a hardware company. They want you to buy their hardware (often). So they create these services that generally only work on their devices (with a few exceptions) in order to keep you coming back for more hardware. You may or may not agree with this type of business model, but it is what it is. The benefit of buying into Apple's way of doing things is that it is very convenient to do so and their hardware intermingles well together right out of the box. No tinkering required. And that's a draw for a LOT of people. But if that doesn't appeal to you and the open-ness of Android and the options that become available to you through it suit you better then that's fine too.

We have a lot of options that lend themselves to making everyone happy along the way. The problem we run into is folks thinking what they feel is the best is automatically the best for everyone. That's what leads to irrational pissing matches that we see on sites like this constantly.

I agree with this. Things tend to work better if all aspects are controlled by one company. DNLA is a mess to use...I would way rather use my apple tv paired with a mac running ML.
 
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