Android is still way superior

[onthecouchagain]

It's a valid concern which Apple seems to be trying to address with more gestures and fade away controls in iOS 7

When you have 4.7 and 5" screens, it's really not that major of a deal. Adaptive software keys are nice too.

Having said that, I'm totally all for a gesture-base world. Is the swipe-left-to-go-back universal through the whole operating system in iOS 7? I'm finding very little information about it and personally surprised that no one is talking about it.

It's a shame they don't plan to do something like Zephyr (hands down my fav. jailbreak app).

 

[jrswizzle]

When you have 4.7 and 5" screens, it's really not that major of a deal. Adaptive software keys are nice too.

Having said that, I'm totally all for a gesture-base world. Is the swipe-left-to-go-back universal through the whole operating system in iOS 7? I'm finding very little information about it and personally surprised that no one is talking about it.

It's a shame they don't plan to do something like Zephyr (hands down my fav. jailbreak app).

I don't think its universal in the entire OS, but it works in many of the standard apps and I believe there is an API for devs to add the gesture to their own as well.

So you may not be able to swipe back on the home screen to go to your previous app, or swipe back from an app to the home screen.....but within apps, you can navigate by swiping.

I, for one, love the gestures as well. Seems like quite a few have been added in iOS 7. Can't wait to get my hands on it!

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Who's bothered by it? iOS supporters seem to think that with mostly comestic changes and few new functionalities and suddenly iOS leapfrog ahead. IMO, the new iOS should be rubbished (by Apple fans) because a lot of it is copied from others. Isnt Apple supposed to be most "innovative" in (most) Ifans eyes? Is that lost forever?

Holy hell, at least READ about the new features before coming here and making ridiculous comments about things you clearly know nothing about.

AirDrop DOES utilize BT and Wifi Direct. Just like Samsung's S-Beam and tapping, it works with those who have the same phone as you......

S-Beam is proprietary as well. It cracks me up that you act like Apple is the only company that does this.

I don't like Apple because they are the most "innovative" - I like them because I align with their philosophies when it comes to hardware and software timetables and design. I also like Google and Android. There are things about each that I like better than the other and things each needs to improve on.

The ideas that Android is some ultra polished OS and iOS is a kid's toy are idiotic. Both took things from the other just this year. Both are continuing to evolve and get better, and neither are creating revolutionary new features or uses at this point.

iOS 7 looks to be a fantastic update, even if it was only the few features we saw in the keynote.....and as they repeatedly said, there are vastly more features awaiting us when it ACTUALLY gets released.

 

[spinedoc77]

Don't forget about the navigation panel too that takes up on screen real estate for the "back" buttons in iOS. So you have the home button trading up bezzle then the navigation panel taking up on screen real estate. Double whammy.

Do hardware buttons take up more bezel? I honestly don't know. For example the htc one bezel looks pretty large, although I haven't measured it.

 

[Sensamic]

What in Android is iOS supposed to be catching up to?

What is iOS better than Android at?

 

[jamojamo]

What is iOS better than Android at?

You ask that because we haven't seen that argument played over and over and over again?

You should be able to recognize a purely trolling post. Look at his two posts on the thread you started and you'd see he has no intention of responding with any sort of reasoned argument.

With that though, I will leave you to it, like most threads in this forum, after about 10 posts they become "more noise than signal"

 

[jrswizzle]

What is iOS better than Android at?

Here are my thoughts, even though you didn't ask me:

(1) App quality
(2) Music player (what the hell does "pin" mean?)
(3) Email (stock anyways)
(4) Messaging
(5) Sync-ability - Ecosystem
(6) Backups and Restore
(7) Selecting text, copying and pasting it
(8) Smoothness
(9) Battery/Power efficiency
(10) Notifications (organized by app in the notification center on iOS, which makes for more specific mass deletion. Also, I can see them on the lock screen and they will wake my device and show a snippet if I so choose).

Conversely I like Android's abilities to:

(1) Change the look of the home screen
(2) Setting default apps
(3) Access the file system
(4) Keyboard
(5) Lockscreen editing

I don't expect you to agree with all of these, but just wanted to share my $0.02. The fact that we don't agree here is why both platforms exist and thrive.

 

[thehustleman]

What in Android is iOS supposed to be catching up to?

Capabilities, features flexibility, market share, app types (find me a good torrent app for ios) etc

 

[ReanimationN]

Screen real estate you lose? Have you seen the size of the bezel required for that huge round home button? It's one of the reasons why the iPhone doesn't even reach the 4" screen size. Huge bezel for that huge home button.

As for home button failures, you know exactly what I am referring to. There are hundreds of threads on how to fix unresponsive and broken home buttons on this very forum.

Look how much bezel is wasted on a home button. Imagine the screen going all the way down and then having programmable, onscreen buttons that are only 45 pixels high (which is normal height for Android), which is roughly 1/3 the height of the bezel shown here. In reality, you gain real estate, not lose it. Just saying.

What's the N7's excuse?

 

[Michael Goff]

Capabilities, features flexibility, market share, app types (find me a good torrent app for ios) etc

Market Share?

Really?

If you were a company, would you rather want a majority marketshare or a majority of the profits?

 

[thehustleman]

Market Share?

Really?

If you were a company, would you rather want a majority marketshare or a majority of the profits?

Lol@you picking one thing out of the whole list

 

[Michael Goff]

Lol@you picking one thing out of the whole list

The rest were a little... not very specific or just plain silly.

Capabilities,

What capabilities do most people really need that iOS is lacking?

features flexibility,

Don't even know what you mean with this.

app types (find me a good torrent app for ios) etc

Your example was a crap on. Why would I be using my iPad to get torrents?

 

[jrswizzle]

Capabilities, features flexibility, market share, app types (find me a good torrent app for ios) etc

I'd love some more specifics.....

The fact I can't pirate movies on my iPhone doesn't really make for a strong case IMO.

How about Android catching up in gaming, fluidity, app quality, profit share, ecosystem, security.

See I can make general statements too.....

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The rest were a little... not very specific or just plain silly.

Capabilities,

What capabilities do most people really need that iOS is lacking?

features flexibility,

Don't even know what you mean with this.

app types (find me a good torrent app for ios) etc

Your example was a crap on. Why would I be using my iPad to get torrents?

Capabilities:

I think he means like how Android didn't have any type of coherent gaming platform until this year. Or how you could use Google now to set reminders and alarms by voice.

Flexibility:

Yes, he's right here. You can fiddle to your hearts content on Android.....I know I've wasted many an hour messing with my home screen layouts and such.

In all seriousness though, you can set default apps, tweak the keyboard and there are screen size options. These are really the only three legitimate complaints about iOS I hear now.

And I completely agree about the torrent thing.....laughable that piracy is somehow a reason why one platform is better than the other (and don't pretend like that's not what you use torrents for......).

 

[ReanimationN]

And I completely agree about the torrent thing.....laughable that piracy is somehow a reason why one platform is better than the other (and don't pretend like that's not what you use torrents for......).

And with examples like that, it's like PCs/Macs don't exist for some reason. Running a torrent program means you're generally going to be on a decent wifi or Ethernet connection (e.g. home, work, bf/gf's house, friend's houses, I.e. places where you are very, very likely to have a PC available), why would you use a phone, with a very limited amount of storage space, over a PC/Mac which generally have HDDs with at least 500GB of storage available?

 

[Michael Goff]

I'd love some more specifics.....

The fact I can't pirate movies on my iPhone doesn't really make for a strong case IMO.

How about Android catching up in gaming, fluidity, app quality, profit share, ecosystem, security.

See I can make general statements too.....

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Capabilities:

I think he means like how Android didn't have any type of coherent gaming platform until this year. Or how you could use Google now to set reminders and alarms by voice.

Flexibility:

Yes, he's right here. You can fiddle to your hearts content on Android.....I know I've wasted many an hour messing with my home screen layouts and such.

In all seriousness though, you can set default apps, tweak the keyboard and there are screen size options. These are really the only three legitimate complaints about iOS I hear now.

And I completely agree about the torrent thing.....laughable that piracy is somehow a reason why one platform is better than the other (and don't pretend like that's not what you use torrents for......).

I haven't really reset my default apps on my GNexus (aside from the browser, because the built-in one is horrid). I did change to the Google Keyboard, but that's only because it's a stock version that's likely to get updates quicker.

The size thing, that's one I can really get behind. I like the screen size of my GNexus.

 

[jrswizzle]

And with examples like that, it's like PCs/Macs don't exist for some reason. Running a torrent program means you're generally going to be on a decent wifi or Ethernet connection (e.g. home, work, bf/gf's house, friend's houses, I.e. places where you are very, very likely to have a PC available), why would you use a phone, with a very limited amount of storage space, over a PC/Mac which generally have HDDs with at least 500GB of storage available?

Very true.

I'm not even going to bring up the fact that torrenting is possible on an iOS device. While there aren't apps for it, the practice and function IS possible.

But like you said, if I'm downloading torrents, I'm doing so on a much bigger HD/SSD than what I can get in my phone - even with a microSD card.

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I haven't really reset my default apps on my GNexus (aside from the browser, because the built-in one is horrid). I did change to the Google Keyboard, but that's only because it's a stock version that's likely to get updates quicker.

The size thing, that's one I can really get behind. I like the screen size of my GNexus.

Ya, I'm not saying I've done those things - my HTC One has Chrome set as the default web browser and I've largely left the keyboard alone - but I can understand where folks come from when they talk about wanting these things in iOS.

And I think we'll see many of them before long - especially the hardware choices.....I think that's coming within the next year or so.

 

[Michael Goff]

Very true.

I'm not even going to bring up the fact that torrenting is possible on an iOS device. While there aren't apps for it, the practice and function IS possible.

But like you said, if I'm downloading torrents, I'm doing so on a much bigger HD/SSD than what I can get in my phone - even with a microSD card.

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Ya, I'm not saying I've done those things - my HTC One has Chrome set as the default web browser and I've largely left the keyboard alone - but I can understand where folks come from when they talk about wanting these things in iOS.

And I think we'll see many of them before long - especially the hardware choices.....I think that's coming within the next year or so.

I don't think we'll ever see the ability to change defaults. That seems to be against the core philosophy of iOS. The same can be said of the keyboard.

 

[onthecouchagain]

I don't think we'll ever see the ability to change defaults. That seems to be against the core philosophy of iOS. The same can be said of the keyboard.

Then for the love of God update and improve the keyboard, apple. Give us swipe. License it if you have to.

 

[sentinelsx]

This thread is really getting old. How about we go back to discussing our devices instead of the age old battles?

 

[Assault]

What's the N7's excuse?

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Doesn't need one. You can actually read text on it from more than 5" away from your face. A 3.99" display, not so much.

 

[Michael Goff]

Then for the love of God update and improve the keyboard, apple. Give us swipe. License it if you have to.

That we can both agree on, the keyboard does need to be improved.

I don't care much for swype, but the keyboard is a bit stale.

 

[Assault]

Originally Posted by jrswizzle
I'd love some specifics.....

The fact I can't pirate movies on my iPhone doesn't really make for a strong case IMO.

How about Android catching up in gaming, fluidity, app quality, profit share, ecosystem, security.

See I can make general statements too.....

This was an interesting list by jrswizzle. If we break it down though, he is making a case for Android vice iOS. Examples he used:

1. Gaming: Gaming is a pathetic joke on iOS. You are limited to virtual buttons, with no tactile feedback and games are basic interfaces limiting you to swipe and tap. Android allows for external controllers from numerous manufacturers allowing for a real gaming experience. Even with a phone like an S3, you can hook it up to a 55" TV and play anything from classic Nintendo to FPS 's like Dead Trigger or Modern Combat 4.

2. Fluidity: At this point in time, it is a draw. I see plenty of lag in iOS and in all sorts of apps, in Siri, in Safari, etc.

3. Profit share: Here is the standard rebuttal from Apple supporters, as if it means something to every user. If anything, it shows the gullibility of Apple' s consumer. But, if you want to break it down, Samsung is the one gaining on Apple at an incredible pace, and blows by Apple in YoY growth.

4. Ecosystem: Another meaningless point these days. Roku is 10x better than Apple TV and works with any TV/PC combo and has more capabilities for the same price. Airdroid, Plex, Android File Transfer can work with any Android phone with any type of PC on any type of network. And of course, Google apps work with any PC, any tablet and any phone. So, we have Apple's ecosystem (which is very limited and prevents 2 year old hardware from being able to use features from the latest OSX release!) or an open ecosystem that allowd for multiple pieces of hardware, from various manufacturers and the software continually gets updated.

5. Security: Is this why the DoD allowed an Android device on to secure networks, but iDevices aren't, because the hardware /software can't be modified or partitioned? Is this also why Malware found in the playstore outside of China and Russia is only 1% of 800,000 apps and an insignificant statistical probability of any user getting infected. Not to mention the user hss to approve the app? And didn't Apple just now get 2 factor authentication, but it still isn't secure? Google has had this feature for how long? Doesn't appear jrswizzle has a firm grasp of what secure means.

 

[Dmunjal]

What in Android is iOS supposed to be catching up to?

How about a file system so I can reply to an email with an attachment? Something enterprise customers do many times a day.

I travel a lot and I can't tell you how many people I see with iPhones and iPads turning on their laptop just to do something so basic.

 

[Peterg2]

This was an interesting list by jrswizzle. If we break it down though, he is making a case for Android vice iOS. Examples he used:

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5. Security: Is this why the DoD allowed an Android device on to secure networks, but iDevices aren't, because the hardware /software can't be modified or partitioned? ...

You obviously don't keep tabs on security matters yourself. Your Android device is obviously referring to the Samsung devices running Samsung Knox.

Almost a month ago iOS devices were approved by the DoD. Clearly both iOS6 devices and Samsung Knox devices were being certified at roughly the same time, the Samsungs getting approval a couple of weeks prior to this.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/17/4340252/department-of-defense-approval-iphone-ipad

 

[Solomani]

i don't care about eye scrolling or whether i can fart on my phone to answer it.

lol

 

[sentinelsx]

I don't think we'll ever see the ability to change defaults. That seems to be against the core philosophy of iOS. The same can be said of the keyboard.

It was the core philosophy of ios when it came out. Remember Steve was against AppStore and third party native apps. By the time he changed the stance, too late, ios was already built to integrate those apps as system apps with no default option.

Just like google has to work real hard to make android smooth because the foundation was intended for something else, again too late to start from scratch.

If you notice though, as a software developer it gets hard to figure out all the future requirements your OS might need to fulfill, so I don't blame ios or android much about that. I just hate that it is actually fixable every couple of years, but thanks to app devs being lazy as usual, no company wants to shake the OS foundations drastically to force them to change their apps.

All we can really do is hope the competition is always alive and we always have a choice to use whatever fits out needs at a given time, because technology evolves quite rapidly.

Nothing is superior however IMO.