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Assault

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I can't say Android is better in any way than my iPhone 4S or even my iPad Mini.

Obviously the apps in iOS kick what is on the Play store to the curb for the most part. There are a handful of apps that I have on my Nexus 4 that are the same tablet versions that I get on my Mini but for the most part, they are just scaled up phone versions.

The battery life on my Nexus 7 is the wosrt of any device that I have ever owned. Just sitting there tonight doing NOTHING with it at my job, it dropped 20% in 6 hours. Yes, that;s right, the Nexus 7 lost 20% battery life just sitting there doing nothing. I used my iPad Mini tonight and after 6 hours at my job, the battery life was at 98%.

I'm really thinking of selling both my Nexus 7 32GB cellular version and my 16GB Nexus 4. I gave them each four months and not sure I am thrilled with the Android side of things.

Wow, according to this person an iPad Mini can be left on and used for 12.5 continuous days without a charge. Why is Apple only stating around 8 hours of use? They should really get in touch with this Space kitty.
 

hexonxonx

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Jul 4, 2007
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Wow, according to this person an iPad Mini can be left on and used for 12.5 continuous days without a charge. Why is Apple only stating around 8 hours of use? They should really get in touch with this Space kitty.

Mine is doing pretty darn good as well. I unplugged mine at 4PM and now at 12.42AM, it's at 98%. These iPad Minis have amazing standby times. Usage is 1hr, 31 minutes.
 

strausd

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Jul 11, 2008
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Wow, according to this person an iPad Mini can be left on and used for 12.5 continuous days without a charge. Why is Apple only stating around 8 hours of use? They should really get in touch with this Space kitty.

My iPad 3 gets insane batter life too. My Nexus 4 has awful idle time in comparison. Apple really does a great job of optimization on their devices.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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Jan 17, 2013
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Wow, according to this person an iPad Mini can be left on and used for 12.5 continuous days without a charge. Why is Apple only stating around 8 hours of use? They should really get in touch with this Space kitty.
The post you quoted suggests the iPad mini lost 2% while they were at their job. The use was at night. Nowhere does it suggest it was used continuously for 6 hours and only lost 2%. My iPhone loses a couple of percent through the night, but that is to be expected.

You probably should have thought about that a little more before you posted. ;)
 

jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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Since we're talking iPad mini standby usage.....I've had mine tucked away in my bag for the last 3+ days.....some usage in there but mostly standby - and its the LTE version

At 7% per day, I figure I can get that 12.5 day mark Assault mentioned ;)
 

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hexonxonx

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Jul 4, 2007
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Wow, according to this person an iPad Mini can be left on and used for 12.5 continuous days without a charge. Why is Apple only stating around 8 hours of use? They should really get in touch with this Space kitty.

Obviously Apple understated the usage. I've been reading in this thread that 12.5 days standby would not be unheard of and 11-12 hours usage is normal.
 

thehustleman

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Jan 3, 2013
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I have an S2 and it does a damn fine job at what I want it to do, which is most everything an iPhone can't do. It isn't without it's flaws though especially with it's multistep process to get the damn thing to hook up, sync, and play media off the phone.



I completely agree with the droid tablets, I've used them before and to me they just don't feel right and I know what you mean by upscaled phone apps. I'll be getting a Mini whenever the 2 comes out.

There's no stuck thing as a "Droid tablet"

There's the Xoom, Nexus, galaxy tab line of tablets but there aren't any Droid tablets to my knowledge.
 

InuNacho

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Apr 24, 2008
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There's no stuck thing as a "Droid tablet"

There's the Xoom, Nexus, galaxy tab line of tablets but there aren't any Droid tablets to my knowledge.

Tablets running the Android OS. People commonly refer to Android phones as Droids so why not refer an Android OS Tablet as a Droid tablet.

Nobody frets about a minuscule things save for people on the internet.
 

Armen

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Apr 30, 2013
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Los Angeles
Started impressed with iOS 7 but then kind of don't like it.

Still no iFile? The new Siri look is ugly and confusing and had very little new features.

The home screen is so so so ugly, as the photos app and calendar app.

Safari still doesn't allow for downloads?

Lockscreen has no new features really apart from access to notification and control center. That's all?

No new features for personalization. Nothing at all. Couldn't they add themes if you don't like the new look?

And what about gesture for multitasking? We still have to use the damn home button?

No new features for maps apart from walking directions? Really? A whole year and that's all?

People in the audience where so desperate for a change they got up and applauded and someone shouted love you to Tim Cook.

No new features for keyboard? No swipe?

Obviously they couldn't do everything in one year and release, but they're still pretty behind the competition.

Is this gonna be the real look of iOS for the next 5 years?

"Still no iFile?" - Apple doesn't want users to have access to the file system. On Android you only have access to the SD card anyhow (unless you root)

"The new Siri look is ugly and confusing" - It's quite the opposite. Siri now doesn't let the user get stuck between the listen/end mode that is toggled by the mic icon. You tap it once and she listens and the mic icon goes away so you can't screw up and "cancel" your last inquiry and then bitch and moan how Siri doesn't work.

"The home screen is so so so ugly, as the photos app and calendar app"- As opposed to Android being pretty? HTC Sense looks great but since Samsung is the king of Android devices you get stuck with crappy Touchwiz.

Safari still doesn't allow for downloads? - As Apple doesn't want to give you access to the file system this feature would make no sense. the iPhone doesn't have a dedicated personal disk space you can mess around with like /SDCARD for Android.

"Lockscreen has no new features really apart from access to notification and control center. That's all?" - Maybe we should eliminate the home screen altogether and just have a lockscreen with all the features of the phone?

No new features for personalization. Nothing at all. Couldn't they add themes if you don't like the new look? - I agree.

"And what about gesture for multitasking? We still have to use the damn home button?" - Agreed.

No new features for maps apart from walking directions? Really? A whole year and that's all? - What were your expectations here? What exactly did you want that you cannot use the Google maps app for?

"No new features for keyboard? No swipe?"- Swype and Swiftkey are not native to Android. They are addons. Remember Apple has a closed system so developers do no have that type of access to the keyboard system.

Obviously they couldn't do everything in one year and release, but they're still pretty behind the competition. - Aside from gestures and a keyboard I don't think you've presented any features the competition has that makes it superior.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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Oct 27, 2009
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"Still no iFile?" - Apple doesn't want users to have access to the file system. On Android you only have access to the SD card anyhow (unless you root)

On Android you have access to BOTH the Phone storage and the external SD storage. You only don't have access to root files without rooting.
 

Armen

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On Android you have access to BOTH the Phone storage and the external SD storage. You only don't have access to root files without rooting.

That is correct. The OP is implying that Android gives you the type of access that iFile does. iFile is a jailbreak tweak which grants you full admin rights to the entire file system on iOS whereas the native Android file manager is restricted.
 
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LIVEFRMNYC

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Oct 27, 2009
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That is correct. The OP is implying that Android gives you the type of access that iFile does. iFile is a jailbreak tweak which grants you full admin rights to the entire file system on iOS whereas the native Android file manager is restricted.

You need to jailbreak to even install iFile, which is why you have root access to begin with. It's not an iFile tweak. When jailbroken, you can get access to the root system without iFile.

Also, I don't think Android has a native file manager. What file manager are you referring to? Cause TW, Sense, and etc have differ ones already installed.
 

xraydoc

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Oct 9, 2005
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You need to jailbreak to even install iFile, which is why you have root access to begin with. It's not an iFile tweak. When jailbroken, you can get access to the root system without iFile.

Also, I don't think Android has a native file manager. What file manager are you referring to? Cause TW, Sense, and etc have differ ones already installed.

Dropbox and/or an app like GoodReader does a fine job of replacing a file system. I can open/save to GoodReader just about any file with the iOS "Open in..." function. I can make folders, move/copy/rename files, email multiple files as attachments, access cloud storage accounts (Drive, Box, Dropbox, etc.). Word files, PDFs, text files, images, .zip files, Excel, etc... basically anything. And if I need to download something, I can enter a URL and download the file, or use a browser like iCab to download the file then open it in GoodReader. And I can use "Open in..." to transfer files in to other iOS apps.

Granted it's not exactly the same as on Android's SD card and accessible file system. There's no shared space where any app can read from & write to. But it does get me 80% of the way there without a jailbreak and for my uses, it's almost (almost) just as good.

I do however own both an iPhone 5 and a rooted, debloated Razr Maxx HD which is very close to stock Android (especially with Google Keyboard, Nova Prime launcher, stock icon set, etc.) so I can fully experience the best of both worlds.
 

Dontazemebro

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Jul 23, 2010
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Dropbox and/or an app like GoodReader does a fine job of replacing a file system. I can open/save to GoodReader just about any file with the iOS "Open in..." function. I can make folders, move/copy/rename files, email multiple files as attachments, access cloud storage accounts (Drive, Box, Dropbox, etc.). Word files, PDFs, text files, images, .zip files, Excel, etc... basically anything. And if I need to download something, I can enter a URL and download the file, or use a browser like iCab to download the file then open it in GoodReader. And I can use "Open in..." to transfer files in to other iOS apps.

Granted it's not exactly the same as on Android's SD card and accessible file system. There's no shared space where any app can read from & write to. But it does get me 80% of the way there without a jailbreak and for my uses, it's almost (almost) just as good.

I do however own both an iPhone 5 and a rooted, debloated Razr Maxx HD which is very close to stock Android (especially with Google Keyboard, Nova Prime launcher, stock icon set, etc.) so I can fully experience the best of both worlds.

LOL, you have to jump through all those hoops for something as simple as that?

I think that was the whole point
 

Armen

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Apr 30, 2013
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You need to jailbreak to even install iFile, which is why you have root access to begin with. It's not an iFile tweak. When jailbroken, you can get access to the root system without iFile.

Also, I don't think Android has a native file manager. What file manager are you referring to? Cause TW, Sense, and etc have differ ones already installed.

The OP is listing the ability to copy/save/move files onto the Phone's storage as an advantage Android has over iOS.

Considering you can accomplish the same things with DropBox, Skydrive and Airdisk I don't think it really matters. In fact in some instances it's actually even better to go with these solutions as they sync in multiple places. Especially dropbox.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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Oct 27, 2009
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The OP is listing the ability to copy/save/move files onto the Phone's storage as an advantage Android has over iOS.

Considering you can accomplish the same things with DropBox, Skydrive and Airdisk I don't think it really matters. In fact in some instances it's actually even better to go with these solutions as they sync in multiple places. Especially dropbox.

Nothing is equivalent to having access to the actual filesystem. Don't have to depend on data access or any syncing app. It's also safer if you want to keep important docs on your internal or external storage, as you can encrypt both.

Yes I also use Dropbox, but I would never completely rely on it and doesn't replace an OS filesystem.
 

Armen

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Nothing is equivalent to having access to the actual filesystem. Don't have to depend on data access or any syncing app. It's also safer if you want to keep important docs on your internal or external storage, as you can encrypt both.

Yes I also use Dropbox, but I would never completely rely on it and doesn't replace an OS filesystem.

I agree with the security aspect of it 100%.

Direct access to the file system its a big perk but also has its limitations as to How you can move files to the internal or SD card storage

- USB Cable: no cable? no copy
- SD Card: no SD card reader, no copy
- FTP Grab from the Internet: This method is usually not all that effective
- Wifi "Air disk": This method creates a virtual drive on the wifi network you can drag/drop files to directly. Of course this method is available on iOS

For these reasons it's a bit more practical to use Skydrive, Dropbox or other cloud storage solutions.

I'm not championing iOS. I've used both platforms for at least 2.5 years each. It's just both platforms have their perks and both platforms have their drawbacks.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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I agree with the security aspect of it 100%.

Direct access to the file system its a big perk but also has its limitations as to How you can move files to the internal or SD card storage

- USB Cable: no cable? no copy
- SD Card: no SD card reader, no copy
- FTP Grab from the Internet: This method is usually not all that effective
- Wifi "Air disk": This method creates a virtual drive on the wifi network you can drag/drop files to directly. Of course this method is available on iOS

For these reasons it's a bit more practical to use Skydrive, Dropbox or other cloud storage solutions.

I'm not championing iOS. I've used both platforms for at least 2.5 years each. It's just both platforms have their perks and both platforms have their drawbacks.

Who doesn't have a USB cable? Especially a USB to Micro. Plus they do come included with any phone.

You can keep the SD card inside the phone and still access it via USB cable.

FTP ..... How is this not effective? I used to SSH to copy back n forth frequently when I was using my jailbroken iPhone. I even do it sometimes on my S4 via Samsung Link.

Dropbox and other syncing apps are slower and have limitations on bandwidth and storage. They were never meant to replace a local file system manager.
 

Armen

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Who doesn't have a USB cable? Especially a USB to Micro. Plus they do come included with any phone.

You can keep the SD card inside the phone and still access it via USB cable.

FTP ..... How is this not effective? I used to SSH to copy back n forth frequently when I was using my jailbroken iPhone. I even do it sometimes on my S4 via Samsung Link.

Dropbox and other syncing apps are slower and have limitations on bandwidth and storage. They were never meant to replace a local file system manager.

That is where we are different I guess. I never did carry a USB cable around with me when I had my HTC Evo 4G. I would initiate a wifi transfer instead.
 

mib1800

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That is where we are different I guess. I never did carry a USB cable around with me when I had my HTC Evo 4G. I would initiate a wifi transfer instead.

android can do whatever ios can plus more wrt file. I don't see the point of this debate on file system.
 

xraydoc

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android can do whatever ios can plus more wrt file. I don't see the point of this debate on file system.

No debate. But ios is not completely gimped in this regard. Just partly. Though personally I prefer cloud storage since it's on all my devices simultaneously. I use Dropbox basically as my file system.
 

kevinof

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Jul 30, 2008
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Dropbox is only of use where you have an internet connection. That's ok if you're in your home country and you can use data without paying through the nose, or you can find a free wifi somewhere. It's basically a gludge - it's a workaround to a problem inherent in the OS that is not there in Android.

No debate. But ios is not completely gimped in this regard. Just partly. Though personally I prefer cloud storage since it's on all my devices simultaneously. I use Dropbox basically as my file system.
 

xraydoc

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Dropbox is only of use where you have an internet connection. That's ok if you're in your home country and you can use data without paying through the nose, or you can find a free wifi somewhere. It's basically a gludge - it's a workaround to a problem inherent in the OS that is not there in Android.

Very true that it's a work-around. However, for me, it's actually better. I don't have to worry about transferring files on & off my phone - they're always on my phone, tablet, laptop, home desktop, work desktop, etc.

Fortunately, I don't worry about data connection. Always have one. I live in the US and extraordinarily rarely travel outside the US or Canada.

Again - it's comes down to one's individual needs and situation. For me, I am connected 99.9% of the time, so cloud storage works well for me.
 

jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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Yet another episode of "I prefer it THIS way. If a device doesn't do it THIS way it must be inferior." To be quite honest, I hope this show gets cancelled......

Just because it doesn't work the way YOU prefer doesn't make it an inferior product overall, it's just not the one for you. I personally don't see the problem with accessing my documents in my documents app, or my pictures in my pictures app, or my music in my music app (though I have this thing about having multiple apps for the same purpose....I hate it - so generally its not hard to find things on my phone).

The continued cry for the presence of a screen where all the files in the phone are listed so one can move them about baffles me. There are SOME who could use this functionality, but like most gripes about iOS - a majority of people who champion this particular quip are only doing so because they heard from some blog that having an open filesystem was cool.

I've had no problem managing my files. I don't really make large transfers because I typically live within the Apple ecosystem and everything is readily available on the cloud. If I need to download something for "no-connection" access, I have a speedy home wifi network which allows me to download the content while I'm sleeping.

Otherwise, I can simply stream over wifi or my LTE. Welcome to 2013.
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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Yet another episode of "I prefer it THIS way. If a device doesn't do it THIS way it must be inferior." To be quite honest, I hope this show gets cancelled......

Just because it doesn't work the way YOU prefer doesn't make it an inferior product overall, it's just not the one for you. I personally don't see the problem with accessing my documents in my documents app, or my pictures in my pictures app, or my music in my music app (though I have this thing about having multiple apps for the same purpose....I hate it - so generally its not hard to find things on my phone).

The continued cry for the presence of a screen where all the files in the phone are listed so one can move them about baffles me. There are SOME who could use this functionality, but like most gripes about iOS - a majority of people who champion this particular quip are only doing so because they heard from some blog that having an open filesystem was cool.

I've had no problem managing my files. I don't really make large transfers because I typically live within the Apple ecosystem and everything is readily available on the cloud. If I need to download something for "no-connection" access, I have a speedy home wifi network which allows me to download the content while I'm sleeping.

Otherwise, I can simply stream over wifi or my LTE. Welcome to 2013.

So it's not better to have the option to do it either way? The way you like to manage files or the way other people like to manage files -- having both of these options at one's disposal isn't better?

We might as well throw the word "better" and its synonyms out of the English language.
 
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