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They're not bad either once you get the Google Play store on them.
That is the holy grail. But does it currently exist? The original iPhone SE was this phone (as long as you were a bit flexible on the "low cost" criteria). I loved that phone. Perfect size, built like a tank (dropped many times with no ill effects), no complaints about the quality of photos it took. I was so hoping the SE2 was going to be the same, but as we know, no such luck. The SE3 is another disappointment size-wise.
Look like Apple still keeps the big screen for much higher price. Non pro Max is still going to be so expensive.
By Apple standards, the SE was about as cheap as you could hope for. Maybe even cheap enough to be a big surprise when released--I can't remember the iPhone world of that era.
One thing that can be said in favor of the SE--it wasn't the cheapest smart phone you could buy new. But it could be cheaper long term. From a quick check, it looks like it still gets software support. I'd guess that none of the cheap Android phones of that era still have support--and many probably lost it within a year or so. Cost per year might be lower than some alternatives for long term owners.
Why don't you go tell that to the PowerPC forums where their users often use websites with TenFourFox or other internet happenings such as forcing Twitter to work on an old TiBook?
I'm so sick of this FUD argument it makes my head spin. Once again, smart browsing habits, not clicking on strange links, avoiding sketchy APKs, and avoiding torrents helps more than even the strongest Anti-Virus. Also, again, no hacker worth their salt is going to waste their time on archaic OSs. In fact, if you follow the likes of KitBoga or the PC Security Channel, all the most popular scams and hacks frequent Windows 10 and Windows 11. Not Android 2.3 or a ten-year old smartphone.
The only sites I visit on the tablet are Google search and YouTube. On my Note II, if I even open a browser it's strictly to search part numbers at work. I have no use for a browser outside that on such a tiny little screen. Mostly my uses are local, as in local music playback, local PDF viewers, taking notes, using the calculator or calendar, and the alarm clock. I don't depend much on the connectivity of a smartphone since my first one (which was a 3GS) because where I live, most places I work or most areas I hike in on weekends are dead zones where I'm lucky if I have even a 1x data connection much less a 4G LTE signal. At work, the building I work out of is a faraday cage. I have literally zero signal there so I have to keep content locally stored.
I'm typing this on a Linux box that's well out of date as well. I'm not stupid, and I have ID Monitoring services I pay for who email me or text me the instant a breach happens and so far that's not happened. The last 'breach' of my data was in 2016, involving my old Yahoo! account. No bank or other relevant data was even there since I had moved and there was no credit card tied to that account. It was my old Flickr account before I joined Facebook, and I hadn't logged into it since 2010!
Here's some interesting tidbits though. In 2016 I was using Windows 10, and using modern versions of Android. I seemed to have more breach reports involving modern OSs and none involving any time when I used a Galaxy SII or a S4 or a Note II.
More interesting benefits is that these old devices don't have nearly the data gathering parts of a modern version of Android. Most don't even support Google anymore. The only way to use YouTube is via the web browser. In a way I'm far more private and there's less data consumption on the old devices over the new ones. My last use of my S20 FE from January to late February I had 8.7GBs of data used in the background, but my Note II in March was literally .27KBs. I would bet that 8.7 GBs on the modern phone had a lot to do with sending data back to Google, Microsoft and Samsung.
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Wanna bet? I own one of those garbage Amazon e-waste generators. They're slow and laggy enough out of the box, and you want to put Google Play on them?! that's like asking for not only your data to be given away willingly but you're dealing with a tablet which has similar specs to the Galaxy SII back in 2011.
You wanna know what killed performance on older Android versions?! logging into a google account and having it update and sync Play Services, which IMO is a true virus. Just look at the level of permissions of Google Play Services.
Especially on my 'classic' devices I blacklist Google completely. I may use the search via a browser but that's it. I keep Javascript off. You'd be amazed the difference in both performance and battery life just omitting Google from Android. Ever since they ditched the whole AOSP concept and replaced the AOSP apps with Google-branded ones, even on a modern smartphone or tablet, the top battery consumer and data use comes from Google Play Services. The Play Store is hot garbage. Android Market was superior. You don't even get update changelogs on apps if you care about updates. If anything you're less secure with Play Services snaking around doing whatever it does in the background. Did you know that it allows Google to actually uninstall apps it thinks are bad even if they're fine? Did you know if you root a device, that SafetyNet disables any app that would normally run fine without Google? Did you know that Play Services makes itself a device admin so often for the intent of remotely wiping your device if they feel it's compromised in any way?
I'll take my Note II anyday over that risk.
Your trusted websites, apps can get hacked and run virus codes in your outdated machine. There is no way to 100% prevent and Google Play store sucks at preventing this happens.
Funny, since nothing bad has happened since I put my SIM into my Note II or my Note 10.1 tablet. I had far more data breach reports with MODERN OSs, as well as far more background data consumption.
Your argument is flawed. You probably think that WinXP gets instantly hacked if you put an XP machine online after a fresh install. Guess what? I did just that and it was fine! I still have it running!
Once again, please go to the PowerPC forum and tell them they're gonna get hacked as well. People like you are wasting their time with people like me. Honestly I wish there were another forum for Android or other OSs that is like the PowerPC area and for classic Android or classic iOS or classic PCs. At least folks like yourself avoid those. I never hear from the 'you'll get hacked' brigade on the PowerPC forum.
Mods, Admins, please make a classic forum for Android, PC or iOS! People who buy into the cosumerist mindset that newer is always better (it's not) and updates are the holy grail make me sick. they're the ones I really feel sorry for, with the UI always changing every other week, or feeling they have to buy a new phone every other year which is bad for the planet.
Do you know how many smartphones I found in the GARBAGE that work fine? It's REDUCE, REUSE, RECYCLE in that order. I prefer the first two since Recycling still takes finite resources and power. No one needs a new device these days. That's why I support Right to Repair as well, since we can't sustain the constant cycle of trashing a perfectly good phone for a new one and the myth that you'll get hacked if you use an unsupported OS is a myth. I am living proof! I'm not a grandparent who phones that fake 'Tech support' number which comes up on Microsoft Edge either. Oddly enough all your popular scams only work on Windows 10. The browser in my Note II can't even load HTTPS and you think I'm gonna get hacked? Please. Also, it's my risk to take not your business. Why is it you folks feel outright threatened by a few folks who prefer older tech? Is it really that hard to grasp?
Your argument is flawed. You probably think that WinXP gets instantly hacked if you put an XP machine online after a fresh install. Guess what? I did just that and it was fine! I still have it running!
Once again, please go to the PowerPC forum and tell them they're gonna get hacked as well. People like you are wasting their time with people like me. Honestly I wish there were another forum for Android or other OSs that is like the PowerPC area and for classic Android or classic iOS or classic PCs. At least folks like yourself avoid those. I never hear from the 'you'll get hacked' brigade on the PowerPC forum.
Mods, Admins, please make a classic forum for Android, PC or iOS! People who buy into the cosumerist mindset that newer is always better (it's not) and updates are the holy grail make me sick. they're the ones I really feel sorry for, with the UI always changing every other week, or feeling they have to buy a new phone every other year which is bad for the planet.
Do you know how many smartphones I found in the GARBAGE that work fine? It's REDUCE, REUSE, RECYCLE in that order. I prefer the first two since Recycling still takes finite resources and power. No one needs a new device these days. That's why I support Right to Repair as well, since we can't sustain the constant cycle of trashing a perfectly good phone for a new one and the myth that you'll get hacked if you use an unsupported OS is a myth. I am living proof! I'm not a grandparent who phones that fake 'Tech support' number which comes up on Microsoft Edge either. Oddly enough all your popular scams only work on Windows 10. The browser in my Note II can't even load HTTPS and you think I'm gonna get hacked? Please. Also, it's my risk to take not your business. Why is it you folks feel outright threatened by a few folks who prefer older tech? Is it really that hard to grasp?
That's an interesting point I don't think gets enough spotlight. Older processors can often have objective security advantages like a lack of OoOE, no black boxes, speculative execution, branch prediction, and the like that only really matter for video games and high resolution video streaming (and the black boxes don't matter at all for non-sysadmins nor sysadmins not at work). For static websites and offline/streamed via terminal or PPCMC media, a 7400 at 450MHz is actually doable in my personal experience, and I can't help but imagine it'd be even better with two, or even two 7410s (which are just a die-shrink) run at like 533.
Slap something like OpenBSD on there, often considered the most secure OS around and still fully supportive of PowerPC Macs (OpenBSD 7.0 macppc released last October), and I honestly would trust it moreso than, say, my 6600K, made by a company that had five different unpatchable hardware breaches in 2020-21, and in 2019, claimed breach of an NDA by security researchers who revealed that they left a debug backdoor for their sysadmin diagnostic backdoor. Trustworthy!
Slap something like OpenBSD on there, often considered the most secure OS around and still fully supportive of PowerPC Macs (OpenBSD 7.0 macppc released last October), and I honestly would trust it moreso than, say, my 6600K, made by a company that had five different unpatchable hardware breaches in 2020-21, and in 2019, claimed breach of an NDA by security researchers who revealed that they left a debug backdoor for their sysadmin diagnostic backdoor. Trustworthy!
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Just like not everyone gets Covid19 yet, you can argue that you don’t wear mask and still don’t get it yet, does not mean you will not get it tomorrow.
My Kindle Fire works fine with Google Play on it. There was honestly very little difference in performance after it was installed and it still feels very snappy.
I don’t recommend the $35-50 ones. Those are very tight on RAM and run 4x Cortex A53s at 1.3ghz, it’s no surprise that they are slow. The 8 and 10 inch models are a big upgrade.
Kindle Fire? Wasn't that the very first tablet they made? If so I agree. I had a modern version of CyanogenMod on it last time I used it (it ultimately died a couple of years ago) that was based on Android 8.0, Oreo.
But a modern Fire tablet with crap specs that would be more fitting to a phone made in 2010? Google would bring it to its knees much like a phone made in 2010 running Android 4.0. They're lag-fests out the gate and far more cheaply made than the 2012 Kindle Fire. I would never dare even attempting Google Play on it, not just because I despise Google Play Services overall, and their crusade to make Android more like AndroidiOS, but because even syncing with a device connected to a Google account is going to reduce performance to where you get complaints about Android being 'laggy and inferior to iOS' and no one knows the real cause--Google Play Services, or its predecessor, Google Mobile Services. At one time, simply logging into a Google Account on say an HTC Desire or Galaxy S would make the 'low disk space' warning come up almost immediately. To say nothing about the random restarts and hot phone, reduced battery life, and lag.
Besides, there ain't nothing about Google which is missing on an unmodified Amazon Fire device. I've sideloaded APKs for years, and never use the Play Store. I'm still quite miffed about Android Market EOLing. It worked fine and I could still use later versions of it on modern rooted Android devices but Google couldn't have that! They finally made Market die entirely and forced their garbage Play Store (such a toy name) and I up and disabled it. The old version of Play Store remains stuck on my Note II and various tablets, but it is so outdated it won't work even if I wanted to open it.
Couple that with Google killing everything they make, such as Reader, Play Music, Health, and so on, why would I rely on any of their services? The time I would need one of their apps would likely be the day they tell me that they've EOLd it and there I am needing something of theirs and can't even use it. Why trust anything they do? They're like Apple to me, always incorrectly assuming they know what's best for me. That's MY decision not theirs. I own the phone, and the OS is open source. I intend on keeping it that way and being happy. Ain't no one going to tell me what I can use. That's my decision. Me using an older phone or older tablet that does everything a modern phone or tablet can do, and in my view does it far better, isn't going to be any threat to tech progress (assuming taking away features and making phones too big for anyone except basketball players is progress!) so I again don't get why so many people feel threatened by me. I get called 'luddite' and various other terms, and constantly get remarks that I should forego my car for a horse and carriage or something. There's people who still cling to their CRT TVs, and an entire retro-gaming community who collects old PCs from the 90s to play games on from the floppy disk days, yet it's me using a Galaxy Note II or Note 10.1 from 2012 that triggers people somehow.
Also, it still irks the heck out of me that companies suddenly decided one day to stop caring about catering to customer demand and customer satisfaction and instead care more about their shareholders. When did this happen? it feels like it just happened within the last 5 or so years. I refuse to even give a dollar to their 'you'll own nothing and be happy' subscription models. I own my phones, and no one can take them away from me. Need VoLTE by Feb 2022 they said? Root, route all calls/SMS to LTE only, and disable CDMA/GSM fixed that! Go take your consumerist mindset elsewhere Google, Apple, and anyone else who stopped caring about the idea of free market economics.
For kicks, here's some screenshots of my still-working cellular-enabled 3G Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet:
Everything still works, and I adore the UI. Notice that despite 3G supposedly shutting down since February 2022, the device still has full bars and I can still make phone calls on it (yes it has a phone app). I have ways of keeping stuff alive if my drive to keep using them is strong enough. It runs on Android 4.0, Ice Cream Sandwich, the last version that incorporated Tablet UI into the code, and still had leanings towards AOSP including support for USB Mass Storage. It's an excellent Android tablet and performs admirably since I never update anything on it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
But a modern Fire tablet with crap specs that would be more fitting to a phone made in 2010? Google would bring it to its knees much like a phone made in 2010 running Android 4.0. They're lag-fests out the gate and far more cheaply made than the 2012 Kindle Fire. I would never dare even attempting Google Play on it, not just because I despise Google Play Services overall, and their crusade to make Android more like AndroidiOS, but because even syncing with a device connected to a Google account is going to reduce performance to where you get complaints about Android being 'laggy and inferior to iOS' and no one knows the real cause--Google Play Services, or its predecessor, Google Mobile Services. At one time, simply logging into a Google Account on say an HTC Desire or Galaxy S would make the 'low disk space' warning come up almost immediately. To say nothing about the random restarts and hot phone, reduced battery life, and lag.
Besides, there ain't nothing about Google which is missing on an unmodified Amazon Fire device. I've sideloaded APKs for years, and never use the Play Store. I'm still quite miffed about Android Market EOLing. It worked fine and I could still use later versions of it on modern rooted Android devices but Google couldn't have that! They finally made Market die entirely and forced their garbage Play Store (such a toy name) and I up and disabled it. The old version of Play Store remains stuck on my Note II and various tablets, but it is so outdated it won't work even if I wanted to open it.
Couple that with Google killing everything they make, such as Reader, Play Music, Health, and so on, why would I rely on any of their services? The time I would need one of their apps would likely be the day they tell me that they've EOLd it and there I am needing something of theirs and can't even use it. Why trust anything they do? They're like Apple to me, always incorrectly assuming they know what's best for me. That's MY decision not theirs. I own the phone, and the OS is open source. I intend on keeping it that way and being happy. Ain't no one going to tell me what I can use. That's my decision. Me using an older phone or older tablet that does everything a modern phone or tablet can do, and in my view does it far better, isn't going to be any threat to tech progress (assuming taking away features and making phones too big for anyone except basketball players is progress!) so I again don't get why so many people feel threatened by me. I get called 'luddite' and various other terms, and constantly get remarks that I should forego my car for a horse and carriage or something. There's people who still cling to their CRT TVs, and an entire retro-gaming community who collects old PCs from the 90s to play games on from the floppy disk days, yet it's me using a Galaxy Note II or Note 10.1 from 2012 that triggers people somehow.
Also, it still irks the heck out of me that companies suddenly decided one day to stop caring about catering to customer demand and customer satisfaction and instead care more about their shareholders. When did this happen? it feels like it just happened within the last 5 or so years. I refuse to even give a dollar to their 'you'll own nothing and be happy' subscription models. I own my phones, and no one can take them away from me. Need VoLTE by Feb 2022 they said? Root, route all calls/SMS to LTE only, and disable CDMA/GSM fixed that! Go take your consumerist mindset elsewhere Google, Apple, and anyone else who stopped caring about the idea of free market economics.
For kicks, here's some screenshots of my still-working cellular-enabled 3G Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet:
Everything still works, and I adore the UI. Notice that despite 3G supposedly shutting down since February 2022, the device still has full bars and I can still make phone calls on it (yes it has a phone app). I have ways of keeping stuff alive if my drive to keep using them is strong enough. It runs on Android 4.0, Ice Cream Sandwich, the last version that incorporated Tablet UI into the code, and still had leanings towards AOSP including support for USB Mass Storage. It's an excellent Android tablet and performs admirably since I never update anything on it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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I'm a total sucker for dark blue gradients and have been ever since I used Mercury Browser with iOS 6. That browser looks amazing.
That's the old Samsung browser that came with the tablet. I also got a Note 8.0 tablet from 2013 that has it as well (although the OS is Android 4.3). My Note II has the phone version since it's a phone, but goes full tablet/phablet mode in landscape so the tabs show, just like the tablet.
The little 'carrot' icon in the navbar middle has little mini-apps to display over an existing app so you can text, call, access contacts or calculator, or music while in an app.
It's kinda ironic since Samsung was the one who I jumped to when iOS 7 force-installed itself on my iPhone 4 and iPad 3 back then. Samsung was the only one who had a UI similar to iOS 6 and with features unheard of in both Android or iOS back then. My first Samsung tablet was a Tab 2 10.1, and it was history since. I prefer the old ones they fit me better. I have modern ones but they constantly frustrate me.
The tablet itself ain't half bad either. The thing has front-facing stereo speakers. No modern tablet of any type or brand has that today. At best they got four side-firing speakers which suck
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I too would like to find a better forum for Android and especially Chrome OS.
I'm surprised the fans here don't offer me the Kool-Aid.
They did years ago on a different form.
Here, too many slam Nick because he's set in his values.
I have 2 terminally ill Fire tablets.
I agree with Nick, they are not quality.
And I loved XP. By far, the best and most attractive Windows ever.
I dislike my iPad and Apple TV. My Samsung tablet is better and so is my Roku. My old iMac was tolerable, except it would overheat. Had an old HP that overheated and eventually died.
My Dell AIO is my 4th AIO. (2 iMac/1 HP/1 Dell)
I put up with Windows 10. Can't and don't want Windows 11.
I hope to replace it after it's EOL, unless Linux and I can be friends. Then I will keep it longer (maybe).
I have more than one reason for wanting a Chromebase.
I've had terrible luck with HP in the past.
I do like the AIO form factor.
Chrome OS seems to have a 7 year life span before EOL.
It should be 10!
If I think like Nick, I can keep a product longer without updates.
I'm surprised the fans here don't offer me the Kool-Aid.
They did years ago on a different form.
Here, too many slam Nick because he's set in his values.
I have 2 terminally ill Fire tablets.
I agree with Nick, they are not quality.
And I loved XP. By far, the best and most attractive Windows ever.
I dislike my iPad and Apple TV. My Samsung tablet is better and so is my Roku. My old iMac was tolerable, except it would overheat. Had an old HP that overheated and eventually died.
My Dell AIO is my 4th AIO. (2 iMac/1 HP/1 Dell)
I put up with Windows 10. Can't and don't want Windows 11.
I hope to replace it after it's EOL, unless Linux and I can be friends. Then I will keep it longer (maybe).
I have more than one reason for wanting a Chromebase.
I've had terrible luck with HP in the past.
I do like the AIO form factor.
Chrome OS seems to have a 7 year life span before EOL.
It should be 10!
If I think like Nick, I can keep a product longer without updates.
FYI I meant a sub-forum here in the Alternatives to iOS or Alternatives to Mac for 'legacy' OSs like WinXP or Android 2.3 or something. Or a Vintage phones subforum for those few who still prefer a 3GS over a new iPhone.
There are already subforums for older iOSs like 6 or 5, but none for vintage smartphones or classic Android. I have been on other Android and Apple forums (including the Mac 512 and LowEndMac) but those forums are extremely intolerant of opposing views like they ban you for spelling Mac wrong (say spelling it mac or MAC or calling an iPod touch an itouch) or are not tolerant of those who prefer their older phones and stopped participating in the consumer mindset.
It's not like phones today do anything differently than my Note II or tablets do anything my Note 10.1 cannot, they all do the same things.
Also, you can keep a smartphone or tablet forever without updates no issue at all. Short of the carrier actually disabling the network it runs on, at least. People refuse to believe this but you will NOT get hacked using outdated apps or OSs. That's a myth. Excercise safe browsing and avoid pirate sites or following strange email links. Pretty much common sense internet safety. If you're a celebrity or high-profile person then sure, you're gonna get targeted but if you're targeted being an average person then you've got bigger issues than your phone/tablet's security patch level.
Also, I'm not the blind grandpa who refuses new things because stubborn and all that. I actually gave modern phones/tablets a try. More than once. Figured I could adapt but I just cannot. Always revert back to my classic Samsungs.
I hardly feel I'm the only one on the planet who uses a Galaxy Note II in 2022. Otherwise there wouldn't be such a huge used market for these older phones on Amazon.
I wouldn't even be against updates if they didn't keep moving the cheese or taking away certain things I liked (like Samsung health taking out the splash screen on launch and removing some of the little whimsical touches like the little man who runs across your step goal progress and holds a medal when you complete it, for example, or the Weather app removing that beautiful sky view and being a boring flat basic looking app since One UI 4) or worse, dramatically flattening the UI like iOS 7 did. After that big 'update' I got extremely skeptical since. I outright try to use devices that no longer get updates and use older versions of certain apps. They work fine and I don't have to worry about them ever changing or pestering me with mandatory update required pop-ups. Once you've had your muscle memory and workflow interrupted more than a few times you get a bit angry afterwards.
Let me keep my device the way I like it, and we're on good ground. But force me to adapt to a change that makes using my device frustrating and feeling like work, then my reaction is going to be akin to yours if someone decided to break into your home and replace the furniture with whatever is trendy. That's no one's business what OS or phone I use. It's MY device. People can call me names and claim I live in the past but if what I do makes me happy why not leave it at that? I don't tell you what to use, so what business is it of others to feel they have the right to tell me what I need to use? Why am I such a threat to them? Is one guy using a Note II in public seriously a problem? Good lord...
I am unsure if the PowerPC subforum is better moderated but you NEVER get the tired old 'You'll get hacked!' argument over there when mentioning using the Internet on a PPC Mac.
There are already subforums for older iOSs like 6 or 5, but none for vintage smartphones or classic Android. I have been on other Android and Apple forums (including the Mac 512 and LowEndMac) but those forums are extremely intolerant of opposing views like they ban you for spelling Mac wrong (say spelling it mac or MAC or calling an iPod touch an itouch) or are not tolerant of those who prefer their older phones and stopped participating in the consumer mindset.
It's not like phones today do anything differently than my Note II or tablets do anything my Note 10.1 cannot, they all do the same things.
Also, you can keep a smartphone or tablet forever without updates no issue at all. Short of the carrier actually disabling the network it runs on, at least. People refuse to believe this but you will NOT get hacked using outdated apps or OSs. That's a myth. Excercise safe browsing and avoid pirate sites or following strange email links. Pretty much common sense internet safety. If you're a celebrity or high-profile person then sure, you're gonna get targeted but if you're targeted being an average person then you've got bigger issues than your phone/tablet's security patch level.
Also, I'm not the blind grandpa who refuses new things because stubborn and all that. I actually gave modern phones/tablets a try. More than once. Figured I could adapt but I just cannot. Always revert back to my classic Samsungs.
I hardly feel I'm the only one on the planet who uses a Galaxy Note II in 2022. Otherwise there wouldn't be such a huge used market for these older phones on Amazon.
I wouldn't even be against updates if they didn't keep moving the cheese or taking away certain things I liked (like Samsung health taking out the splash screen on launch and removing some of the little whimsical touches like the little man who runs across your step goal progress and holds a medal when you complete it, for example, or the Weather app removing that beautiful sky view and being a boring flat basic looking app since One UI 4) or worse, dramatically flattening the UI like iOS 7 did. After that big 'update' I got extremely skeptical since. I outright try to use devices that no longer get updates and use older versions of certain apps. They work fine and I don't have to worry about them ever changing or pestering me with mandatory update required pop-ups. Once you've had your muscle memory and workflow interrupted more than a few times you get a bit angry afterwards.
Let me keep my device the way I like it, and we're on good ground. But force me to adapt to a change that makes using my device frustrating and feeling like work, then my reaction is going to be akin to yours if someone decided to break into your home and replace the furniture with whatever is trendy. That's no one's business what OS or phone I use. It's MY device. People can call me names and claim I live in the past but if what I do makes me happy why not leave it at that? I don't tell you what to use, so what business is it of others to feel they have the right to tell me what I need to use? Why am I such a threat to them? Is one guy using a Note II in public seriously a problem? Good lord...
I am unsure if the PowerPC subforum is better moderated but you NEVER get the tired old 'You'll get hacked!' argument over there when mentioning using the Internet on a PPC Mac.
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Wow, really? That's pedantic.
Also, Apple themselves spell Mac as 'mac' in 'macOS'.
Well, my short-lived existance on LowEndMac ended abruptly when I complained about how often my Macintosh Classic crashed with a 'bomb' error that always required a restart to fix. I made the mistake of asking why a Mac can't just close the program that crashed instead of requiring a restart, like Windows does and got slaughtered
On the Mac 512K site, I was banned for merely mentioning that Macs indeed do crash. I was on probation for calling a Mac a MAC, but banned for posting 'misinformation' about Macs crashing. They honestly believed that Macs Never Crash. And no one was going to tell them otherwise. It was truly an Apple Cult, but long before iPhone, and long before the 'iSheep' moniker.
I can understand vintage interest, as these were forums for Scully-era beige box Macs, but I am never the type who's so into grammar, spelling or cult-like behavior that I can't admit to the faults of classic stuff. My Note II isn't perfect, either. It quite often stops allowing my Bluetooth media controls on my headsets or car to work requiring a device restart to have it work again for a day and it stops again. I just chalk it up to ancient BT stacks and an older device.
Heck my car is a 2005 Saturn ION. It ain't perfect either but it gets me from point A to point B without requiring constant repair unlike my Subaru XT6 or possibly any modern car where if the infotainment system dies 5 years later, good luck getting any support and say goodbye to your climate controls that had to be integrated into it as well!
Honestly any time I see an Infotainment system monitor on a vehicle all I see is the failure-prone Buick Reatta touchscreen system second-coming. Also don't get me started on those super bright blue aftermarket headlamps everyone is into these days. I can't drive at night or in rain without wearing sunglasses or just walking because it blinds me so badly to have oncoming vehicles with supernovas for headlights. Worse yet they use them more in daylight like they're just trying to anger folks.
On the Mac 512K site, I was banned for merely mentioning that Macs indeed do crash. I was on probation for calling a Mac a MAC, but banned for posting 'misinformation' about Macs crashing. They honestly believed that Macs Never Crash. And no one was going to tell them otherwise. It was truly an Apple Cult, but long before iPhone, and long before the 'iSheep' moniker.
I can understand vintage interest, as these were forums for Scully-era beige box Macs, but I am never the type who's so into grammar, spelling or cult-like behavior that I can't admit to the faults of classic stuff. My Note II isn't perfect, either. It quite often stops allowing my Bluetooth media controls on my headsets or car to work requiring a device restart to have it work again for a day and it stops again. I just chalk it up to ancient BT stacks and an older device.
Heck my car is a 2005 Saturn ION. It ain't perfect either but it gets me from point A to point B without requiring constant repair unlike my Subaru XT6 or possibly any modern car where if the infotainment system dies 5 years later, good luck getting any support and say goodbye to your climate controls that had to be integrated into it as well!
Honestly any time I see an Infotainment system monitor on a vehicle all I see is the failure-prone Buick Reatta touchscreen system second-coming. Also don't get me started on those super bright blue aftermarket headlamps everyone is into these days. I can't drive at night or in rain without wearing sunglasses or just walking because it blinds me so badly to have oncoming vehicles with supernovas for headlights. Worse yet they use them more in daylight like they're just trying to anger folks.
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Very nice avatar. That said, I DDG'd pedantic. I only have a high school edumication.
Just for giggles, how many Apple fans, or know-it-alls, write Mini when it is officially the Mac mini.
Perhaps 'Alternatives to iOS' should have a forum category, not be a sub to Apple stuff.
Everything Apple does can be examined for fault. Soldered in place. Since the beginning with SCSI, opening the box was forbidden. 'Apple only' upgrades that cost a fortune.
My iMac from 2007 had 1 GB of RAM.
64 GB iPad Air? Are you nuts?! No 128, just 256.
Not only does extra storage cost too much, but so does Cellular.
I got in trouble for suggesting all these Apple fans must also be millionaires.
Apple charges more because they get to be called Premium.
It isn't because what they make is better.
Sure, plenty of very low end Androids out there. Samsung is the only place for me. Even Lenovo is unpredictable on their website.
It would make me nervous to use Nick's mindset.
My iMac won't open websites and I only have Safari. It is the 2nd Intel iMac but the 1st aluminum.
I could install OS 10.11 versus the 10.8 I have, but with just 2 GB RAM, can you say pinwheel?
I still have they gray DVDs for my iMac. They don't work as they were meant for the mini.
With just 90 days to talk with Apple in my standard warranty, I gobbled all that up getting the correct iMac DVD, then the iLife '08 DVD.
My iMac came with Tiger. I was not aware they opened the box and slipped a Leopard DVD inside. It was only an upgrade disc, so I had to call for a new DVD. That took 30 days, but my iMac was usable after going back to the Apple Store. (So my 2 gray discs, or is it grey, are for the mini only and are indeed Tiger.
Apple had just released Leopard. Loved the Apple voice Alex. Apple farms out their speech now.
I have very little quality experience with Linux. Love Linux Mint MATE and enough know the correct pronunciation.
I get into trouble because my skill set for Linux is low.
You wanna talk about doesn't crash, if I had good Linux skills, there is a solid OS. All the top Distros are probably more stable than Windows or Mac.
Tiger was attractive, like my first iMac with OS 9. Loved the tiny keyboard and even was okay with the mouse. Round with a single button to click.
My 1999 iMac had Internet Explorer installed and Netscape. Oh yeah, I did use AOL, even though it was expensive.
I can agree that new means less. I want a new MP3 player to replace my Sansa Clip+ from 2005.
Some features are missing and the reviews are bad.
If only I could open it up and put in a new battery. It would be perfect again.
I don't agree with Nick, so don't disagree either.
AOL now there's a blast from the past. I actually predate that though--Anyone remember Prodigy? No, not the Prodigy Internet, the Prodigy Interactive Personal Service which ran on top of DOS. It was primitive internet, as in it offered email (with other Prodigy members though) and your user ID was just a number, and you got banned from 'message boards' (proto-forums) by an auto-censor for merely saying the word 'Beaver' but still. Ancient history today.
Then there were BBSs. Back when an admin was called a sysop.
I'd love to find a used Samsung Galaxy Player to add to my collection--their competition to the iPod touch, as in it was basically a Galaxy smartphone without the phone part. But they're pretty extinct. I'd also love to try out WebOS, but I heard that it takes more hacks than it took to get VoLTE working on my Note II to make it activate--not only because a vast majority were 3G only, but because they required a Palm account just to get to a usable home screen. Since Palm servers no longer exist, it takes a lot of homebrewing to get an old Palm Pre to work. I wished I had tried it before it was extinct though. The early gesture navigation, and wireless charging. Still sliding keypad too. Man, I wish we'd go back to when phones were fun and every one was different. I miss them. For innovation to happen and for homogenization to finally cease, we really need that competition back. Back when we had true competing between LG, Samsung, Apple, Google, BlackBerry, WebOS, Meego, Symbian we had true revolutionary devices. Not these huge, mini-tablets with no buttons that all look alike except for the logo on the back. We can't go forward with just Android, Apple and Samsung.
Then there were BBSs. Back when an admin was called a sysop.
I'd love to find a used Samsung Galaxy Player to add to my collection--their competition to the iPod touch, as in it was basically a Galaxy smartphone without the phone part. But they're pretty extinct. I'd also love to try out WebOS, but I heard that it takes more hacks than it took to get VoLTE working on my Note II to make it activate--not only because a vast majority were 3G only, but because they required a Palm account just to get to a usable home screen. Since Palm servers no longer exist, it takes a lot of homebrewing to get an old Palm Pre to work. I wished I had tried it before it was extinct though. The early gesture navigation, and wireless charging. Still sliding keypad too. Man, I wish we'd go back to when phones were fun and every one was different. I miss them. For innovation to happen and for homogenization to finally cease, we really need that competition back. Back when we had true competing between LG, Samsung, Apple, Google, BlackBerry, WebOS, Meego, Symbian we had true revolutionary devices. Not these huge, mini-tablets with no buttons that all look alike except for the logo on the back. We can't go forward with just Android, Apple and Samsung.
I sure do remember Prodigy, Compuserve as well as GEnie Online from the early 90’s.
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I used Compuserve on my Tandy Color Computer with a 300 baud modem.
I had a tiny used color TV set purchased from a local hotel that was upgrading to newer and maybe bigger sets.
I looked at the Samsung site yesterday. Some websites do not work well with my tablet. Maybe it's an Opera browser thing.
They aren't selling anything to suggest I should buy something new.
I have Android 11, 3GB RAM and 64 GB storage. Have a headphone jack and micro SD slot.
I've never used GPS, but my tablet has it.
What has my attention is Chrome OS, with a real desktop Chrome browser and a keyboard and mouse or trackpad.
Having access to the Google Play Store makes it similar to Android but with more options. I don't use the Chrome browser now.
Linux is still in experimental mode. That would give me real desktop Linux apps.
I had a tiny used color TV set purchased from a local hotel that was upgrading to newer and maybe bigger sets.
I looked at the Samsung site yesterday. Some websites do not work well with my tablet. Maybe it's an Opera browser thing.
They aren't selling anything to suggest I should buy something new.
I have Android 11, 3GB RAM and 64 GB storage. Have a headphone jack and micro SD slot.
I've never used GPS, but my tablet has it.
What has my attention is Chrome OS, with a real desktop Chrome browser and a keyboard and mouse or trackpad.
Having access to the Google Play Store makes it similar to Android but with more options. I don't use the Chrome browser now.
Linux is still in experimental mode. That would give me real desktop Linux apps.
Yeah, that's what I ended up getting. It's a gaming device, so I don't really need any of the benefits from the Air nor Pro line (nor did I want to pay that much extra for that matter). My last iPad was purchased in 2016, so I don't mind getting them every 6 years or so. Not having to pay $500+ for a new one was an attractive proposition.