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1. Name one windows PC maker has such high profit margin as Apple?
2. Name one consumer electronics company CEO that makes tons of political and social charged comment?
It’s not hatred. It’s fact you are ignoring.
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Angry Protests Break Out at Key iPhone Factory in China [Updated]
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There are differences
1. Name one windows PC maker has such high profit margin as Apple?
2. Name one consumer electronics company CEO that makes tons of political and social charged comment?
It’s not hatred. It’s fact you are ignoring.
I don't see what profitability (or the lack thereof) has to do with this.
Again, I don't see the relevance, especially when Apple is not known to comment on the internal matters of China.
Those facts are completely irrelevant. People just want to find a reason to hate on Apple for, and they don't care that over half the items in their own homes are made in China as well, possibly under even worse working conditions, simply because it doesn't jive with their own narrative.
It's hypocrisy at its finest.
That is all Tim Cook
Stop blaming on Jobs. He didn’t care about operation.
That is all Cook decision.
All the CM child labor violation, happened after death of Jobs.
Foxconn large scale riot happened in 2012, ,2013, 2017, 2022.
Wistron riot in India occurred in 2020
Why continue to lie?
That comment is exactly your behavior. Hypocrisy is best to summarize your own comment.
1. Apple has the margin to dramatically improve the lives of the workers- how is its margin not related?
2. Tim being CEO of apple- is representing the company like Elon is. There is no way to get around with that.
Apple always claim they do more. Reality it’s not.
Name one CM partner suffered loss with child labor violation?
Name one CM partner that Apple uses that don’t have labor protest or riot?
The point is simple- don’t claim to be Saint when reality is just as bad as others.
Actually not exactly correct.
Zhengzhou is CCP partnership with Henan government
Please get your fact straight
That is utterly ********.
Apple has a lot pull over Chinese government than Foxconn does.
You still didn’t address the point.
Foxconn builds stuff for other people too, not just Apple. But I guess if you just said Foxconn, nobody would care.
I'm not saying this doesn't deserve attention and of course, any push Apple can do on their end to change things would be nice, but this isn't an Apple-only issue and framing it as such is not helping anyone.
Do more research.
1. Apple factory riots, protests, child labor violation, and death. Aren’t just isolated to Foxconn or to china
2. You will never hear anything about oppo, Huawei... Because those of Chinese government backed companies
3. Apple being the biggest brand name and highest margin does get scrutinized a lot more.
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Again- Apple has the biggest margin and have the highest number of workers.
Tim wants apple to be a leader. Then prove it.
Btw, it’s not only just Foxconn that have labor issues.
You really need to do fact checking and researching.
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What makes you think that Apple can’t absorb the cost increases?
I am not at liberty to say how much Foxconn gets paid to assemble a iPhone. Even if they increase that by 10x it would still be less than iphone price increase this year in europe.
Nothing you have stated here is contingent on fact checking or research either. Just mostly of the opinion that Apple is evidently a lot more culpable in this matter than they really are, and which I disagree.
Why don’t you spend time and go google yourself?
Like I said before I know a lot more internal detail than you.
Apple CM had two protests/riot since 2020 in India.
China is almost every 2 years whether it’s covid or not.
I find you and i7guy to be so amusing making post as if you know the fact.
When everything I said can be verified by typing keyword into google search
Amazing
Why workers in India attacked an iPhone factory
Workers smashed windows, flipped cars, and lit signs on fire.
I rest my case.
To say Apple doesn’t know about pay issue or other shenanigans happening- that is bs.
It’s always when **** happens- hand slap. Some Cupertino supplier responsibility team and exec will show up. Then news die down same thing continues.
Btw- show me your proof that Foxconn in China is the only problem area and covid is the only cause?
Don't hide- I can post more link
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You should have really looked into history of Apple CM protests and riot.
To say Apple has nothing to do with the situation is basically turning a blind eye.
1. Apple CM has numerous issue with Child labor in the past (prior to covid)
2. Apple CM in China also has massive protests before covid (it’s not that hard to google)
3. Apple CM partner in India already had 2 protests within in last 2 years.
Let’s not brush everything under the rug and hide behind a contract.
If you worked for Apple or with its CM partner, you would know how much Apple really pays. It ain’t much. Apple is notorious within CM world for low margin and high demand. How do you think Apple maintain its high margin?
While condition did improve from mid 2000. But it’s still ain’t pretty.
As of today in Zhengzhou- students are being forced to intern at Foxconn once they hit 16.
蘋果證實鄭州富士康聘學生加班 每日工作11小時組裝iPhone X
【星島日報報道】富士康鄭州工廠被發現取用學生加班組裝iPhone X，蘋果證實事件，表示這些學生是自願工作並獲得了報酬和福利，但強調他們不應該被加班。 《金融時報》報道，鄭州有專業學校有3000名學生被安排到當地富士康工作，他們每日要工作11小時，以作為他們為期3個月的畢業實習；根據中國法律規定，這情況屬於實習生非法超時工作。 ...
顧爾德專欄：富士康工人維權抗爭 重慶民眾高唱「不自由毋寧死」-新新聞
台灣百里候之爭戰火高張之際，中國卻還在進行著那場打不完的新冠病毒戰爭，這是一場企圖用政治力對抗病毒的戰爭，從河南鄭州打到廣州、延燒到四川重慶，再打到河北石家莊，嚴格封控措施不僅沒打敗病毒，還激發出一波又一波的民怨與抗爭。河南鄭州富士康廠區10月下旬上演數萬工人「逃疫」大戲。
Apple supposedly investigated this back in 2017 and 2018.
Yet this still occurs as of last month.
These students often worked up to 11 hours per shift.
You should have really looked into history of Apple CM protests and riot.
To say Apple has nothing to do with the situation is basically turning a blind eye.
1. Apple CM has numerous issue with Child labor in the past (prior to covid)
2. Apple CM in China also has massive protests before covid (it’s not that hard to google)
3. Apple CM partner in India already had 2 protests within in last 2 years.
Let’s not brush everything under the rug and hide behind a contract.
If you worked for Apple or with its CM partner, you would know how much Apple really pays. It ain’t much. Apple is notorious within CM world for low margin and high demand. How do you think Apple maintain its high margin?
While condition did improve from mid 2000. But it’s still ain’t pretty.
As of today in Zhengzhou- students are being forced to intern at Foxconn once they hit 16.
蘋果證實鄭州富士康聘學生加班 每日工作11小時組裝iPhone X
【星島日報報道】富士康鄭州工廠被發現取用學生加班組裝iPhone X，蘋果證實事件，表示這些學生是自願工作並獲得了報酬和福利，但強調他們不應該被加班。 《金融時報》報道，鄭州有專業學校有3000名學生被安排到當地富士康工作，他們每日要工作11小時，以作為他們為期3個月的畢業實習；根據中國法律規定，這情況屬於實習生非法超時工作。 ...hk.news.yahoo.com
顧爾德專欄：富士康工人維權抗爭 重慶民眾高唱「不自由毋寧死」-新新聞
台灣百里候之爭戰火高張之際，中國卻還在進行著那場打不完的新冠病毒戰爭，這是一場企圖用政治力對抗病毒的戰爭，從河南鄭州打到廣州、延燒到四川重慶，再打到河北石家莊，嚴格封控措施不僅沒打敗病毒，還激發出一波又一波的民怨與抗爭。河南鄭州富士康廠區10月下旬上演數萬工人「逃疫」大戲。new7.storm.mg
Apple supposedly investigated this back in 2017 and 2018.
Yet this still occurs as of last month.
These students often worked up to 11 hours per shift.
OK, OK, you can stop now, you've made your point.
But what exactly is it that you want from us? Do you want us to stop buying or using Apple products? Sorry, that will most definitely not happen. Anything else?
That is your own decision to make.
But don’t virtue signaling or claim that to be Saint when under the emperor’s clothing it’s just as ugly as other companies.
Sadly, virtue signalling is part of the world we live in today, whether we like it or not. I hate it with a passion and do my best to avoid it and to be honest in everything I do or say, but I can understand why a big company like Apple cannot afford this luxury.
Just imagine the hate they would get if they were open and honest about it. What they're getting now would be infinitesimal by comparison.
Just imagine the hate they would get if they were open and honest about it. What they're getting now would be infinitesimal by comparison.
Looks like Apple timed the really bad news and payout to happen during Thanksgiving Day/Black Friday weekend and hope it drops from sight as things get back to normal on Monday. They got really lucky with this one, this time. In politics you time the bad news announcement late on a Friday afternoon and nothing new there as the announcement gets a couple of days to drop from the news cycle as people are enjoying their weekend.
And yes, people will continue to buy Apple products, but going forward, full disclosure of factory life should pressure Apple to move away from China and such and more to democracies like India that have labor laws and unions but still relatively cheap labor. I can live with that as I am sure can many others. iPhones are very expensive with a huge markup and it matters to me the conditions under which the phone l bought at this price point were made. I got lucky this year and bought my 14 Pro Max from an individual (believe he is a member here) so technically I am not supporting these conditions with my own cash. But I would like my next purchase to go to a factory with better conditions.
The big point was “retired military personnel” being asked to take jobs at the factories. They crossed the line at that moment - for me anyway. Apple, it’s time to move on and relocate. Maybe just make Chinese phones in China and the rest in India for the rest of the world.
And yes, people will continue to buy Apple products, but going forward, full disclosure of factory life should pressure Apple to move away from China and such and more to democracies like India that have labor laws and unions but still relatively cheap labor. I can live with that as I am sure can many others. iPhones are very expensive with a huge markup and it matters to me the conditions under which the phone l bought at this price point were made. I got lucky this year and bought my 14 Pro Max from an individual (believe he is a member here) so technically I am not supporting these conditions with my own cash. But I would like my next purchase to go to a factory with better conditions.
The big point was “retired military personnel” being asked to take jobs at the factories. They crossed the line at that moment - for me anyway. Apple, it’s time to move on and relocate. Maybe just make Chinese phones in China and the rest in India for the rest of the world.
What actually do you think happened there vs what actually happened there? In a few bullet points… not some conspiracy laden conjecture.
Leaving China is not an option for years to come as they make a large portion of the earths consumer goods.
Open and honest about exactly what? And let’s remember SJ started this ball rolling.
You’re right, I didn’t look into the history of Apple. I based my comments on the article — like I said.You should have really looked into history of Apple CM protests and riot.
To say Apple has nothing to do with the situation is basically turning a blind eye.
1. Apple CM has numerous issue with Child labor in the past (prior to covid)
2. Apple CM in China also has massive protests before covid (it’s not that hard to google)
3. Apple CM partner in India already had 2 protests within in last 2 years.
Let’s not brush everything under the rug and hide behind a contract.
If you worked for Apple or with its CM partner, you would know how much Apple really pays. It ain’t much. Apple is notorious within CM world for low margin and high demand. How do you think Apple maintain its high margin?
While condition did improve from mid 2000. But it’s still ain’t pretty.
As of today in Zhengzhou- students are being forced to intern at Foxconn once they hit 16.
蘋果證實鄭州富士康聘學生加班 每日工作11小時組裝iPhone X
【星島日報報道】富士康鄭州工廠被發現取用學生加班組裝iPhone X，蘋果證實事件，表示這些學生是自願工作並獲得了報酬和福利，但強調他們不應該被加班。 《金融時報》報道，鄭州有專業學校有3000名學生被安排到當地富士康工作，他們每日要工作11小時，以作為他們為期3個月的畢業實習；根據中國法律規定，這情況屬於實習生非法超時工作。 ...
顧爾德專欄：富士康工人維權抗爭 重慶民眾高唱「不自由毋寧死」-新新聞
台灣百里候之爭戰火高張之際，中國卻還在進行著那場打不完的新冠病毒戰爭，這是一場企圖用政治力對抗病毒的戰爭，從河南鄭州打到廣州、延燒到四川重慶，再打到河北石家莊，嚴格封控措施不僅沒打敗病毒，還激發出一波又一波的民怨與抗爭。河南鄭州富士康廠區10月下旬上演數萬工人「逃疫」大戲。
Apple supposedly investigated this back in 2017 and 2018.
Yet this still occurs as of last month.
These students often worked up to 11 hours per shift.
I expressed concern for those employees. I’m not sure what else you expect.
About caring more about their profits than about their workers' living and working conditions - assuming that were true. I'm not saying they do or do not care about their workers (personally, I think they do, at least to a greater extent than other companies). I'm just saying they couldn't afford to admit it openly if they didn't.
We, as individuals, can afford to be politically incorrect. A big, publicly traded company like Apple cannot.
It’s not apples factory. It’s Foxconn’s. Apple has a manufacturing contract with Foxconn. And Foxconn according to contract has a responsibility to live up to their supplier responsibly agreement.
It’s not about profits and apple is under no obligation to throw money where they are not contractually responsible for.
This profits before all else is just a meme at this point in time.
And further in that part of China it seems there is a bit of unrest. It’s not only Foxconn.
I completely agree.
But since we cannot seem to convince Apple's detractors that this has nothing to do with Apple (some people are indeed bent on blaming Apple for everything no matter what), I thought I'd at least address the "virtue signalling" accusation.