Angry Protests Break Out at Key iPhone Factory in China [Updated]

[I7guy]

I don't want Apple to go, I want the CCP to go, I want workers to be treated well or for iPhones to be made by robots.

The above may or may not happen. Can't just pick up and move the largest iphone manufacturing plant on a dime. It's going to be several years.

Every company claims to be good at the things they're known for being bad for. https://www.facebook.com/about/basics Here is Facebook claiming to be safe, secure, and private.

"Yes. Exactly."

🤦

We each have our own biases of what we believe or not. I don't believe word Facebook has in print with regard to privacy, I do believe Apple. YMMV. And no one is going to convince the other they are right or wrong.

 

[bwillwall]

The above may or may not happen. Can't just pick up and move the largest iphone manufacturing plant on a dime. It's going to be several years.

We each have our own biases of what we believe or not. I don't believe word Facebook has in print with regard to privacy, I do believe Apple. YMMV. And no one is going to convince the other they are right or wrong.

So why did Apple set up shop in a communist country that wants to destroy democracy and everything that made them? That's not their responsibility at all? Yeah of course not. Apple is perfect, and look, they say they care about human rights, read it again! LMAO

 

[I7guy]

So why did Apple set up shop in a communist country that wants to destroy democracy and everything that made them? That's not their responsibility at all?

No. You have to ask the man that is now dead. They are working with a partner who agrees to apple supplier responsibility policy. https://www.apple.com/supplier-resp...uct-and-Supplier-Responsibility-Standards.pdf It's up to Apple to make sure the supplier is living up to their end of the bargain.

Yeah of course not. Apple is perfect, and look, they say they care about human rights, read it again! LMAO

Sure Apple is perfect. That's quite a compliment. People that end their posts with lol or LMAO really aren't interested in a genuine conversation. But we already knew that. It's irrelevant what anybody things, because most of this is just virtue signalling of the worst kind.

 

[BootsWalking]

lol you think this isn't about the lockdowns? Well I almost can't blame you since the news doesn't cover what happens in China properly AT ALL.

No it's not. It's about the unfair treatment of employees, which includes poor working conditions and failure to provide promised compensation. That's the overriding theme of Apple's continuous push on vendors to squeeze costs. The lockdown and housing situation is just the latest manifestation of that. Look beyond the headlines.

 

[MacGekko]

China is communist - totalitarian political system that sells the idea of "socialism". Socialism is an economic system proposed by Karl Marx, coupled with his socio-political ideologies, neither of which work and have been responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths in the 20th century. Socialism guarantees everyone but the ones in power are poor - it does not "rob the rich", it creates the Uber-rich class, an oligarchy. There is no social mobility, like a caste system. I'll support India over the CCP any day. Communists are incomprehensibly evil and the ideology ought be eradicated.

Be careful, nuance is not the preferred thought over here, too much black and white thinking, there is a reason why India is a close ally while China is a competitor.

 

[bwillwall]

No it's not. It's about the unfair treatment of employees, which includes poor working conditions and failure to provide promised compensation. That's the overriding theme of Apple's continuous push on vendors to squeeze costs. The lockdown and housing situation is just the latest manifestation of that. Look beyond the headlines.

I didn't say it's ONLY about the lockdowns... but yeah it's about the lockdowns. There were no shows of violence in China until recently, it's not a coincidence that they're happening in places doing lockdowns

 

[DrJR]

That's false. This narrative is from the Red Scare. It's propaganda actually.

China's system is meritocratic, which means it has more social mobility than any major countries on the planet.

You can't enter China's top universities with legacy or donation, and only by standardized exams. Backdoors do exist but only for members of the military, current high-ranking party members holding office and foreign students on diplomatic grounds, which do not count towards the quota.

Communism didn't kill anyone in the past, the stupidity of those in charge did.

No political system is inherently good or bad, let it be dictatorship or democracy. The devil is in the details, and how it's excuted. More often than not, it's human nature. All systems can be exploited, including the one we are in right now, right under our noises.

Tell that to anyone from a communist country. Tell that to anyone who fought and had brothers die trying to stop the spread of that cancer. The Red Scare had an excellent motive. I watched the news when the Berlin Wall came down and lived through latter part of the Cold War….. so I have no interest in even slightly entertaining “no system is inherently bad”. Hogwash.

 

[DrJR]

Be careful, nuance is not the preferred thought over here, too much black and white thinking, there is a reason why India is a close ally while China is a competitor.

“Sir, this is the internet” is the response to what I wrote, LOL!

 

[DrJR]

That's false. This narrative is from the Red Scare. It's propaganda actually.

China's system is meritocratic, which means it has more social mobility than any major countries on the planet.

You can't enter China's top universities with legacy or donation, and only by standardized exams. Backdoors do exist but only for members of the military, current high-ranking party members holding office and foreign students on diplomatic grounds, which do not count towards the quota.

Communism didn't kill anyone in the past, the stupidity of those in charge did.

No political system is inherently good or bad, let it be dictatorship or democracy. The devil is in the details, and how it's excuted. More often than not, it's human nature. All systems can be exploited, including the one we are in right now, right under our noises.

Also any system, economic or otherwise, that forcibly uplifts any group at the cost of individual liberty is “evil”

 

[BootsWalking]

I didn't say it's ONLY about the lockdowns... but yeah it's about the lockdowns. There were no shows of violence in China until recently, it's not a coincidence that they're happening in places doing lockdowns

How many non-Apple product factories in China has violent protests this week?

 

[0924487]

Tell that to anyone from a communist country. Tell that to anyone who fought and had brothers die trying to stop the spread of that cancer. The Red Scare had an excellent motive.

I lived in China for 13 years.

 

[DrJR]

I lived in China for 13 years.

that explains some things.

 

[0924487]

Also any system, economic or otherwise, that forcibly uplifts any group at the cost of individual liberty is “evil”

You agree affirmative action is “evil” then?

It hurts hard-working Asian students and frugal Asian parents investing heavily in their kids’ education at a great cost to their daily lives for decades.

It benefits Black and Brown people with lesser merit, and it opens more loopholes for White people with connections and legacy to game the admission system.

Education is a basic human right, but some people are more equal than others, aren’t they?

 

[DrJR]

You agree affirmative action is “evil” then?

It hurts hard-working Asian students and frugal Asian parents investing heavily in their kids’ education at a great cost to their daily lives for decades.

It benefits Black and Brown people with lesser merit, and it opens more loopholes for White people with connections and legacy to game the admission system.

Education is a basic human right, but some people are more equal than others, aren’t they?

I believe you are confused about what ”rights” are. They are not granted, they are asserted.

 

[Schismz]

Enough is enough. Apple needs to put their money where their mouth is and perform like they care about human rights and privacy, not just in some cute little ad or one liner.

But... they don't actually care. ESG is just a narrative; same as "privacy" and "what happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone." It's just marketing.

 

[bwillwall]

How many non-Apple product factories in China has violent protests this week?

Well, there are people rioting in streets.

Are you actually suggesting Apple's factories are worse than all the others for worker conditions?

 

[BootsWalking]

Well, there are people rioting in streets.

Are you actually suggesting Apple's factories are worse than all the others for worker conditions?

There are tens of thousands of factories in China. Seems a bit odd that the one factory rioting in all of China happened to be an Apple factory, no?

 

[bwillwall]

You agree affirmative action is “evil” then?

It hurts hard-working Asian students and frugal Asian parents investing heavily in their kids’ education at a great cost to their daily lives for decades.

It benefits Black and Brown people with lesser merit, and it opens more loopholes for White people with connections and legacy to game the admission system.

Education is a basic human right, but some people are more equal than others, aren’t they?

Nobody has the right to come to the US to get an education. We're equal under our citizenship.

If you lived in China for 13 years, then you should be well aware of how evil the CCP is. Or, perhaps things have simply changed a lot since you were there. Either way, the things going on are not excusable in any way, and are not comparable to the mishandlings of the US government, or almost any other excluding Russia, North Korea, Iran, and the worst actors on Earth.

 

[Fat_Guy]

I should not go this far. But I have been places that I see every nation as they are. In fact China, Russia, Israel, the USA and others took a look at me as I took a look at them. All sides believe they are right and justified doing what they do. All sides!


Russia took the most involved look at me and my organization. The guy who spoke up for Russia was actually a nice guy. Iran was originally hostile but came around. Israel surprisingly was nice. The bottom line is that if you take a diplomatic stance, there is no right or wrong, just different perspectives. Suffice to say, all the nations Americans considered good or bad including the USA themselves did me a favor - including China - and that says something. It is not all black and white.



Of course I made all that up. 🤔



Goodnight all my Macrumor people. At the very least you are entertaining, especially the OCD folk. Remember: People are people no matter where you go. 😀

 

[bwillwall]

The Chinese and all people deserve to be free! Not slaves to an evil regime.

I am allowed to complain about my government (USA), in many places you are not! Nothing can improve in a world without freedom of speech. If you cannot speak for change you are a slave to your dictator(s). Currently I have a nice place to live, a decent job, and the ability to speak my mind. Not all are so lucky even in America, of course. But in a regime where they can't even protest, they are prisoners and slaves!

Have you seen these on the news yet? Have a look at China under Xi...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596310769951547398

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596246550816215040

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595806264486944768

 

[0924487]

I believe you are confused about what ”rights” are. They are not granted, they are asserted.

You perfectly dodged my question and my main argument in that response.

 

[0924487]

Nobody has the right to come to the US to get an education. We're equal under our citizenship.

You do realize regardless of race, they are all American citizens I'm talking about, right? By Black, I meant Black American, by Asian, I meant Asian American, and so forth.

The problem is, American citizens are not equal under the citizenship, some races are given preferencial treatment (mostly Black students) at the expense of other races (mostly Asian students). This is a case of eliminating equal opportunity to force an equal outcome while denying and discounting the merit and the sacrifices the injured party (Asian students and their parents) has demonstrated. Also, it's far easier for girls to get in to STEM than boys. That's even more unfair. They don't make it easier for men to get into nurcing school and other girlie fields, do they?

BTW, I'm Canadian. I have no dog in this fight, but it's kinda the same here too. I'm rather tied of this double standard and injustice.

P.S. You mentioned China has changed. Yes, more assertive and dictatorial. I believe it has nothing to do with any kinds of ideology or -ism, it's pragmatic. I think regular Chinese people are kind are mostly have a rather positive view of the US. They just want to live their lives.

 

[chromite]

Modern slavery at work. Yes, they "may" get paid but under which conditions is another story.

However, for there to be real change, the privileged "west" (myself included) needs to change

Yep, Marx predicted this

 

[chromite]

Nobody has the right to come to the US to get an education. We're equal under our citizenship.

If you lived in China for 13 years, then you should be well aware of how evil the CCP is. Or, perhaps things have simply changed a lot since you were there. Either way, the things going on are not excusable in any way, and are not comparable to the mishandlings of the US government, or almost any other excluding Russia, North Korea, Iran, and the worst actors on Earth.

You realize the US is a result of Europeans coming to another landmass and forcibly relocating and killing the peoples who lived there. Americans talk about freedom when they are the worst genociders of all

 

[avz]

You realize the US is a result of Europeans coming to another landmass and forcibly relocating and killing the peoples who lived there. Americans talk about freedom when they are the worst genociders of all

Don't ask who is the last of the Mohicans because the chances are it is you.

Only because US no longer has a price list for the scalps of the men, women and children does not mean that the underlying philosophy all of a sudden went away. It continues to manifest itself by taking different shapes and forms.