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Galacticos

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I'm im Aus. Google maps is the clear winner for search and poi.

If maps wasn't made by Apple, I don't think anybody would bother with it at all. Just another example of mediocrity under Tim Cook
 
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IGI2

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I'm im Aus. Google maps is the clear winner for search and poi.

If maps wasn't made by Apple, I don't think anybody would bother with it at all. Just another example of mediocrity under Tim Cook
Exactly, we just use it and hope that they will get better, because without us, without the data, what roads are the most important, what routes do we take and what is missing, they won't get better.
 

eyeseeyou

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I'm im Aus. Google maps is the clear winner for search and poi.

If maps wasn't made by Apple, I don't think anybody would bother with it at all. Just another example of mediocrity under Tim Cook

I think it doesn't have to do so much with being made by apple as it does maps being the default navigation app for anyone who uses an iPhone/ios.

Regardless if you do or don't like apple if you're not using an IOS device you don't have the option to use maps.

That being said I didn't use maps until I was able to use the IOS 10 version. Much better imo
 
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IGI2

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I think it doesn't have to do so much with being made by apple as it does maps being the default navigation app for anyone who uses an iPhone/ios.

Regardless if you do or don't like apple if you're not using an IOS device you don't have the option to use maps.

That being said I didn't use maps until I was able to use the IOS 10 version. Much better imo
Yes, that what we probably mean, it's the default one.

But iOS 10 makes app a little more pleasant, but the data within the app is still weak in Poland. Weak is the weak word for it. I may need a help with finding the right word. I may give some examples later.

To sum up, the app is cool, don't have anything against. Just the actual roads and a huge lack of them... Even POIs are easy to correct, but it seems that the terrain is impossible for Apple to correct.
 
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gwhizkids

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I get that Maps is not the greatest outside the US and perhaps a few other places. However, here in the US, it has improved dramatically and, while I miss some Waze features, the convenience of having Maps and Carplay offsets that.
 
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MozMan68

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I get that Maps is not the greatest outside the US and perhaps a few other places. However, here in the US, it has improved dramatically and, while I miss some Waze features, the convenience of having Maps and Carplay offsets that.

The only thing it doesn't have for me is the police spotting...I don't mind but don't really need the "object spotting" feature.

The traffic, rerouting, accident reporting, etc. are spot on...poi's are much improved and work well with Siri.
 
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Galacticos

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That's what I'm saying maps on its own (if it weren't intrinsically linked within iOS, CarPlay etc) is a poor attempt at a maps app and that's being kind.

Steve Jobs focused and made what Apple were doing the best - and then focused on volume not price factor of revenue.
Tim Cook is stumbling into areas like maps, social media etc in order to pick up market share, he engages in debt leveraged share buy backs to raise his stock options and proactively and embarrassingly staggers technology like iPhone 7, iPad mini the list goes on (customers will only tolerate this for so long - which might be a while yet :/).
It wasn't long ago that he said he was going to focus on social issues, a sure sign a company is losing its focus.

It makes me sad to see this once truly great company slowly become just another multinational run by a true corporate fat cat
 

gwhizkids

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That's what I'm saying maps on its own (if it weren't intrinsically linked within iOS, CarPlay etc) is a poor attempt at a maps app and that's being kind.

Steve Jobs focused and made what Apple were doing the best - and then focused on volume not price factor of revenue.
Tim Cook is stumbling into areas like maps, social media etc in order to pick up market share, he engages in debt leveraged share buy backs to raise his stock options and proactively and embarrassingly staggers technology like iPhone 7, iPad mini the list goes on (customers will only tolerate this for so long - which might be a while yet :/).
It wasn't long ago that he said he was going to focus on social issues, a sure sign a company is losing its focus.

It makes me sad to see this once truly great company slowly become just another multinational run by a true corporate fat cat
Steve was the one who decided to ditch Google Maps and create Maps.
 
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pilot3033

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Maps looks great, feels great, does directions reasonably finally, but I have to say that search is still terrible.

Case in point, yesterday a friend invited me to dinner "Tom O'Shanters!" I've never been, and went to maps to find the place to see what sort of drive I was on for. Searches for "Tom" obviously did nothing, and "O'Shanter" kept giving me Indiana. Ok, off to google maps and the full name of the place. Bam, instantly the place pops up, "TAM O'Shanter's." Oh. Tam. Not Tom. Back to maps to add it to my event, show's up with the yelp page.

Apple has to get better at this kind of interpretation. Google obviously has a huge head start, but c'mon. It's like when I searched for "24hr pharmacy" and the only result was a place literally called "24hr Pharmacy." In Tehran.
 

Galacticos

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Maps looks great, feels great, does directions reasonably finally, but I have to say that search is still terrible.

Case in point, yesterday a friend invited me to dinner "Tom O'Shanters!" I've never been, and went to maps to find the place to see what sort of drive I was on for. Searches for "Tom" obviously did nothing, and "O'Shanter" kept giving me Indiana. Ok, off to google maps and the full name of the place. Bam, instantly the place pops up, "TAM O'Shanter's." Oh. Tam. Not Tom. Back to maps to add it to my event, show's up with the yelp page.

Apple has to get better at this kind of interpretation. Google obviously has a huge head start, but c'mon. It's like when I searched for "24hr pharmacy" and the only result was a place literally called "24hr Pharmacy." In Tehran.

But at least he is socially conscious. There aren't nearly enough people in the world pushing social political agendas *sarcasm*

iPhone prices have risen by 50% since iPhone 1 (or possibly the price drop after the earliest models). Can't tell me they cost anymore to make now (iPhone 7 is an iPhone 6ss) then they did to make the first. And just look at the price of an Apple Watch 2. Abuse is a strong word but original and good ideas are becoming scarce while prices continue to rise. In that way I think Tim Cook is putting the customers last. Steve Jobs did the reverse

I'm not saying Tim Cook should be Steve jobs but he's been entrusted to uphold Apple's legacy and he isn't doing a good job of it.

Imagine if Apple suddenly halved their prices. Would they sell more than 2X the units? Absolutely. For every person with an iPhone, do you think just one you know with an android phone would switch? Probably 5 would. Would anyone think of them as less of a premium brand?
 
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NovemberWhiskey

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Maps in iOS 10 is greatly improved. But it still lags behind Google Maps.

Give us the choice to choose our default.

Apple maps will never surpass google unless google stops developing. Pouring this much time and resources into it is a waste imo. It literally just gained the ability to zoom out during navigation. I mean...cmon! I just used it the other day and it looped me on a freeway on ramp/off ramp. Haven't had an experience like that since my old garmin.

Give it up, apple. Focus on where you shine, which is the Iphone. Can you imagine if Apple took the maps team and money and just put it to better battery life on the iPhone.
 

lagwagon

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Still crap in the Caribbean.

I searched for "KFC" it sent me to Mexico? Europe? I don't even know which one.

There are 32 KFC locations in my vicinity.

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Also, the satellite image was updated for my area in the last 5 weeks; now it's all clouds. How did this pass quality control?


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Did a test and searched for KFC on my maps and it gave me results for KFC's near my area perfectly fine. Maps has always been good for me in my city (so I've never understood all the issues some have with it from a personal experience standpoint.)

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MacFinnley

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Aug 30, 2014
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I've used Apple Maps sonce Day 1 and still using. In ios 10 it is even better. In settings now you have the option to ignore freeway-routes or routes with fees. Very nice. Also you can look for gas stations while driving. The only thing I'm missing though is the integration of an alarm system for speed traps.
 

IGI2

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As promised, see how many roads are lacking in Apple Maps, newest iOS 10 GM maps on the LEFT, and real world on the right:

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So how can a person in Poland use Apple Maps? He can't. Only a die-hard fan can stand it...
 

_mynameislee

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Sep 12, 2016
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I'm looking forward to it (UK user), have resisted the Beta so Wednesday should be full of nice little surprises. I've always used the Apple Map app, I'm a bit stubborn like that...sticking with something through it's early stages so I get to see it evolve. I've been pleasently surprised with some of the changes they've snuck in the back end with the iOS 9 version, recently I've started seeing 'There's a quicker route'/'Roadwords ahead' messages when using it. I know, nothing new for users of other apps, but novel additions for me!
 
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joesegh

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Jun 17, 2009
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Imagine if Apple suddenly halved their prices. Would they sell more than 2X the units? Absolutely. For every person with an iPhone, do you think just one you know with an android phone would switch? Probably 5 would. Would anyone think of them as less of a premium brand?
That's both completely absurd and besides the point. The iPhone is a premium phone. It's priced to compete with other premium phones.
 

AsherN

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May 11, 2016
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POI database is not up to par. Search is sub-par. Navigation can be weird. My home is a great example. I live in a condo. I front on an East-West road, on the West side of an intersection. The first 100 feet of the East-West road has a divider. My building starts just West of the divider and goes further West. To amke things a bit more fun, the actual front door is at the back of the building (not facing the street).

1) Apple Maps has the building slighly East of it's location, and locates the pin on the East corner, placing the pin on the divided part of the road. Any routing from places East of my home has me go on block South, then West for a block, back North, and finally East on my street.

2) Google Maps terminates the route right in front of my building.

3) Waze actually has me go in the driveway and and around a small circle right to the front door.

It comes down that if I can't trust the navigation to go places I know, I surely can't trus it in places I'm unfamiliar with.
 

joesegh

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Jun 17, 2009
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Did they change or add anything with CarPlay's Maps?
CarPlay has auto-zooming (and will go almost 2D and zoom out when you approach a turn), as well as traffic on-route. Some of the auto-suggest prompts have better wording (e.g., it's more obvious how to accept or dismiss a suggested route based on your location history).

Other than that, it has the updated fonts and on-route searching for things like gas stations. Overall I'd say it's a very nice improvement to the experience. Still not quite Google Maps but I'm very happy with it as my daily driving companion.

Cars will need firmware updates to support the in-dash navigation - my 2016 GTI is likely not getting that update at all based on my twitter exchange with those knobs.
 

GIZBUG

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Oct 28, 2006
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If Apple Maps incorporated Red Light Cameras, crowd reports of police, I'd be using it as my daily navigation unit. Until then, will stick with Waze.
 
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archvile

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Cars will need firmware updates to support the in-dash navigation - my 2016 GTI is likely not getting that update at all based on my twitter exchange with those knobs.

What do you mean? As long as it supports CarPlay, it shouldn't matter, right?
 

Richardgm

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Aug 1, 2008
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Did a test and searched for KFC on my maps and it gave me results for KFC's near my area perfectly fine. Maps has always been good for me in my city (so I've never understood all the issues some have with it from a personal experience standpoint.)

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That's because you're in the First World. POIs outside of said areas are SEVERELY lacking.
 
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