The whole "bedroom" argument is stupid. People should stop engaging with it, IMO. It's a false equivalency. By engaging with that argument, you unintentionally legitimize it.
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Anyone else think the iMac looks, for lack of a better word, “feminine”?
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These new iMacs are absolute puke-inducing. Ugly white bezels. Ugly white keyboard keys, odd-ball ethernet connection on the power brick, and only on the upper-end model. I like the colors on the back, but the faded color on the front is horrible. It's bad enough they kept the chin, but why not have a color-matching Apple logo???
I hope the larger iMac at least has color-matched bezels... which is to say black.
I hope the larger iMac at least has color-matched bezels... which is to say black.
Not where you you make opinions which are discriminatory and sexist. We have laws relating to those. And exclamation marks are exactly that, not signs of anger. How you use them is up to you.
This is such a goofy take. Do you not believe that Apple did research to minimize distractions and chose the light bezel for that reason? That was the discussion point they gave.
Looking at the “mock-up” earlier in this thread you can hardly see the white bezel (admittedly against a white background)
While the black sticks out like a sore thumb.
as someone who does work on a monitor, I welcome the thought of a lighter bezel, considering how bright screens are becoming.
and - explain what you dislike about the Ethernet solution please. I think it’s awesome.
You keep posting children’s bedrooms. Which 90% of the time (or more) and decorated by their parents, often pushing “appropriate” gender decor. Poor examples.Would you say this is a boy’s bedroom?
(Related example of that. Had a friend about 5 years ago that had a daughter. She wanted a dinosaur bedroom when she was around 3, her mom told her she can’t, because girls don’t have dinosaur bedrooms. You can’t use children’s bedrooms for your examples. They’re forced to be a “boys room” or “girls room” by many parents. Hell, if my kid got to pick his bedroom it would change every month. One month trains, next month Frozen, then zoo animals, then Moana, then Paw Patrol. He rocks bad ass t rex shirts but also has an Elsa dress he wears in the snow. Who cares? He’s a kid. Just rock on and be yourself little man.)
So why don't we address a deeper question here: What was @Robospungo's purpose in "posing this question" to the forum? To gain some validation? To try to prove some kind of point? To try to promote the "correctness" of this viewpoint?
Stating a divisive "question" and then trying to make any debate about it seem absurd is a classic technique for trying to promote vile biases. e.g. "Is it just me, or do (group of people) seem to be (stereotype) more than others? Just asking!"
Look man, if you think the computers "look feminine," whatever. Who cares what you think? Obviously some people agree with you, others don't. Who cares? What is the value of this kind of "question" in ANY MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE?
Stating a divisive "question" and then trying to make any debate about it seem absurd is a classic technique for trying to promote vile biases. e.g. "Is it just me, or do (group of people) seem to be (stereotype) more than others? Just asking!"
Look man, if you think the computers "look feminine," whatever. Who cares what you think? Obviously some people agree with you, others don't. Who cares? What is the value of this kind of "question" in ANY MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE?
Exclamation: a word that expresses sudden pain, surprise, anger, excitement, happiness, or other emotion:
Exclamatio Mark: the symbol ! written immediately after an exclamation
Just as you have used it.
You 1) must never have talked about color with a woman and 2) ought to know how to search the internet.
But I'll bite:
Gender based alteration in color perception - PubMed
Human beings are able to perceive hundreds of shades of color which depends on the three types of cone system and various ratios of stimulation in response to different wavelengths. Perceptually and cognitively, men and women may experience appearance of color differently. Therefore, this study...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I've only checked the one actual linked paper on the list on links you provided, as generic claims made by random scienceish websites are not really sources of authority.
They found no statistically relevant differences for black, blue, green or yellow (p values above 0.01, see Table II in Gender based alteration in color perception, Jaint et al), and only found a significant difference for red colors (p value < 0.01).
However, in a review of articles regarding gender differences in color perception Rodríguez-Carmona M, Sharpe LT, Harlow JA, Barbur JL. Sex-related differences in chromatic sensitivity they conclude that:
"Generally women are believed to be more discriminating than men in the use of color names and this is often taken to imply superior color vision. However, if both X-chromosome linked color deficient males (8%) and females (<1%) as well as heterozygote female carriers (15%) are excluded from comparisons, then differences between men and women in red-green (RG) color discrimination have been reported as not being significant (e.g., Pickford, 1944; Hood et al., 2006)."
And even goes on saying:
"Although it is commonly assumed that women may, on average, have superior colour discrimination to men, they may in fact have poorer, when all heterozygotic female carriers are excluded from comparisons."
And even if there was some statistically significant difference in some aspects of color perception, that's a VERY long way from the claim you made that women "are inherently built to process color. They have far more color receptors in their eyes than males.".
Very good points.
His question seeks to ask if anyone had the same opinion. But within the title, the poster indicates, by adding ‘for lack of’ as a preface to adding the word feminine, as if they are unsure of using it.
Well you ought to 1) read them all and 2) go paint shopping with a woman. It's blatantly obvious that males and females are not the same and color preference is a result of biology. You might also check out "Why Gender Matters" by Leonard Sax. Very informative and thoroughly researched and cited. Basic science, really.
Yes I agree with you. But those pics serve to prove a point. They were decorated by adults according to cultural standards. People here were saying that color doesn’t have a gender but that’s just not true. In my opinion, it sucks, but I’m not going to pretend that there aren’t colors that tend to be associated more with femininity and masculinity.
So your sources are: a bunch of links to generic science websites, a paper that found weak evidence for a small subset of colors and is readily rebutted by another paper explaining the basis of the difference, and the anecdotal evidence that you have gathered shopping for paint with women.
Look, I'm not saying there are no differences in how men and women process color, but they aren't "inherently built to process color" nor "have far more color receptors in their eyes than males". And even if some of that were true, the jump from that to trying to frame color preference stereotypes as biological is wild.
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Someone doesn’t agree with your archaic 18th century view of women, so you resort to suggesting psychological damage. Softer colours=feminine in your book, you couldn’t think of a better word, so as you said, you chose feminine. The link from softer colours to females, harks to females being weaker, not as strong, vulnerable. Can’t you see that association, and how irrelevant it is today.
It’s not basic science. Leonard Sax’s ideas are outside of the mainstream in psychology and quite controversial, and as far as I know, even he didn’t get into color. Perhaps you can cite his writings on gender and color?
You‘re stating these things as facts, but they are not. I posted some actual historical facts earlier in the thread about a time in the early 20th century when boys were associated with pink and girls with blue. You seem to be ignoring that completely.
As a previous posted stated, most of the posted links are not scientific papers, so citing them as “basic science” betrays a lack of understanding of what basic science actually is.
Am I breaking the law, sir? Am I being detained?!
Funny how quickly you went from understanding your unearned privilege to appointing yourself the thought police.
"The exclamation mark, !, also sometimes referred to as the exclamation point, especially in American English, is a punctuation mark usually used after an interjection or exclamation to indicate strong feelings or high volume (shouting), or to show emphasis."
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I think the new iMacs look feminine. Many agree with me. Whatever negative associations you equate with women are yours and yours alone. Not my problem.
The new iMacs do not look feminine.
Agreed. Also, I think the pink iMac would look lovely in that room, perhaps on a white desk.
In all seriousness I do think these iMacs will be great for children doing remote schooling if the schools stay closed much longer.
I didn’t change your quote. You changed mine. That’s not cool.
Of course you would. Because you need to preserve the narrative.
The bedroom is clearly feminine. We know it's feminine. You know it's feminine. We know that you know it's feminine. Yet you continue to hold the line, despite how transparent it is. Fascinating from a psychological perspective.
I posted info about how pink used to be associated with boys and blue with girls in the early 20th century. Why have you refused to address that? Fact is, the blue-boys, pink-girls thing was all marketing. If you want to think certain colors are feminine or masculine, feel free to believe it. But that’s just your personal belief. You’ve been seasoned to believe that; it hasn’t always been the case and will likely change multiple times in the future.
Unraveling the Colorful History of Why Girls Wear Pink and Boys Wear Blue
Children used to wear the same white dresses, regardless of gender. But clothing styles and color preferences shifted in the mid-20th century
Warning: you will see FDR in a dress if you read that article. Please make sure you are not near anybody else when you do just in case your head explodes.
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