Anyone else think the iMac looks, for lack of a better word, “feminine”?

[kazmac]

Seriously, is this thread for real?

Can someone's sense of masculinity be so brittle, or fragile, as to feel itself threatened by a (culturally constructed) identification with a specific set of colours?

Exactly. Sadly, these threads pop up every year with the iPhone colors. IMO, Yellow is gorgeous. I’m hoping the larger iMac inherits some of these colors or I’ll sell my M1 MBP and buy the top specced Yellow M1 iMac.

Of course, it’s marketing for those $.

After the intense, rough year plus we’ve had, I think it’s brilliant of Apple to offer the consumer iMac in these colors. So glad the colors are not the pastels of the 2020 iPad Air. Immediately thought of how happy I’d be to use the Yellow iMac every day...and darn it, I think I just talked myself into buying this after all...😂🙄😂

If I was a man, I’d feel the same way.

 

[calstanford]

Sorry to hear that you're so unsure of your sexuality that you need to have black and grey as colours only to make you feel like "a real man's man".

 

[B S Magnet]

Sorry to hear that you're so unsure of your sexuality that you need to have black and grey as colours only to make you feel like "a real man's man".

And it’s not as if the Mac product line hasn’t had variations of solely anodized greys for much of the last twenty years.

 

[Andropov]

And it’s not as if the Mac product line hasn’t had variations of solely anodized greys for much of the last twenty years.

Most of the more consumer oriented products have had several colors available. The iPod Nano, Shuffle and Touch, for example. The iPhone 5C, 11 and 12 (non-Pro). The Apple Socks. The iMac and iBook G3.

Only the professional products have lacked color selection over the years.

 

[DSTOFEL]

Hm. Well, I'm not berzerk about it. I actually just find the whole thing risible.



That's not accurate. I think you're misunderstanding the fundamental thing that people are upset about, and that's what I think you're on the "wrong side of". To be fair, people are struggling to articulate it.

The underlying problem is, it's problematic to push the narrative that specific aesthetic preferences are representative of gender characteristics. This is how we end up with the entire "girls' toy aisle" being filled with everything pink, and the "boys' toy aisle" being filled with black and it’s yellow trucks etc. These are cultural constructs. They are not fundamental underlying truths. You need only to look at the color preferences of people in non-Western cultures to verify this.

The fact that you made this post has upset people because you appear to be actively promoting the accuracy of your own viewpoint, and dismissing opinions to the contrary. This is how you end up with a society where, for example, a little boy who happens to like dolls or like wearing pink gets harassed by his peers for "looking like a girl". Can you see the connection? Do you think I'm making this phenomenon up?

If you think I'm making it up, then that's another thing that you're on the wrong side of.

Thanks for the Newsflash - (ie There’s no difference between boys and girls), I guess the same applies to young and old, playful and serious, dogs & cats, the various cultures of the world, etc, etc, etc. You should really share your views with the various corporations of the world. Just think about how many billions could be saved in product R&D and advertising as anything these companies make, regardless of the thought put into their products will appeal the same to everyone. Everything is equivalent. Who would have guessed. I really had no idea that Apple paid zero attention to market demographics or target market when designing their products. I guess they’re just ahead of the curve. Btw...I do find the colors of these new iMacs garish. Am I allowed to say that

 

[B S Magnet]

Most of the more consumer oriented products have had several colors available. The iPod Nano, Shuffle and Touch, for example. The iPhone 5C, 11 and 12 (non-Pro). The Apple Socks. The iMac and iBook G3.

Only the professional products have lacked color selection over the years.

As I was saying: the Mac product line — notable exception allowed for the rose and gold MacBooks of 2015. The last clamshell iBooks (and the last with colours) were taken off-sale early May 2001 (ask me how I know), and yes, one iteration of the iMac G3 — the indigo G3/500 — carried into early 2003.

 

[Andropov]

As I was saying: the Mac product line — notable exception allowed for the rose and gold MacBooks of 2015.

The Mac product line doesn't live in a vacuum. You can't ignore that Apple has used colors in lots of devices targeted to the same demographic.

 

[B S Magnet]

The Mac product line doesn't live in a vacuum. You can't ignore that Apple has used colors in lots of devices targeted to the same demographic.

If you have a look at my signature line, you miiiight notice I have a pair of red iPod nanos.

If I had wanted to address iOS-based consumer products like iPhones, iPod Touches, and so on, then I would have made note of it earlier. I had not. This is, after all, the iMac forum.

 

[decafjava]

A silver and white robot avatar, no less

That said I don't want to put forth the idea that one's choice of avatar should "colour" one's tech, political or other opinions.




That said my avatar, while manly, is of a character that is protrayed as a neat freak and would likely appreciate Apple in general and these iMacs in particular.

 

[decafjava]

Thanks for the Newsflash - (ie There’s no difference between boys and girls), I guess the same applies to young and old, playful and serious, dogs & cats, the various cultures of the world, etc, etc, etc. You should really share your views with the various corporations of the world. Just think about how many billions could be saved in product R&D and advertising as anything these companies make, regardless of the thought put into their products will appeal the same to everyone. Everything is equivalent. Who would have guessed. I really had no idea that Apple paid zero attention to market demographics or target market when designing their products. I guess they’re just ahead of the curve. Btw...I do find the colors of these new iMacs garish. Am I allowed to say that

Of course you are, this is completely subjective. It is a bit silly IMHO to say that the colours would not appeal to "masculine" men.

 

[Andropov]

If you have a look at my signature line, you miiiight notice I have a pair of red iPod nanos.

If I had wanted to address iOS-based consumer products like iPhones, iPod Touches, and so on, then I would have made note of it earlier. I had not. This is, after all, the iMac forum.

Which is influenced by Apple's general design language. And changes to Apple's general design language are often introduced or influenced by iOS devices.

 

[B S Magnet]

Which is influenced by Apple's general design language. And changes to Apple's general design language are often introduced or influenced by iOS devices.

Just take the L and move on.

 

[Andropov]

Just take the L and move on.

What are you? 15?

 

[Kennethvegan]

Nice colors but I would say they look a bit childish

 

[B S Magnet]

What are you? 15?

Close. 115.

 

[qoop]

You 1) must never have talked about color with a woman and 2) ought to know how to search the internet.

But I'll bite:

Gender based alteration in color perception - PubMed

Human beings are able to perceive hundreds of shades of color which depends on the three types of cone system and various ratios of stimulation in response to different wavelengths. Perceptually and cognitively, men and women may experience appearance of color differently. Therefore, this study...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sex and vision II: color appearance of monochromatic lights - Biology of Sex Differences

Background Because cerebral cortex has a very large number of testosterone receptors, we examined the possible sex differences in color appearance of monochromatic lights across the visible spectrum. There is a history of men and women perceiving color differently. However, all of these studies...

bsd.biomedcentral.com

Sex & vision I: Spatio-temporal resolution - Biology of Sex Differences

Background Cerebral cortex has a very large number of testosterone receptors, which could be a basis for sex differences in sensory functions. For example, audition has clear sex differences, which are related to serum testosterone levels. Of all major sensory systems only vision has not been...

bsd.biomedcentral.com

Do Women see More Colors than Men?

Do Women see More Colors than Men?

www.bibalex.org

Females Distinguish Colors Better While Men Excel At Tracking Fast Moving Objects

After having put young adults with normal vision through a battery of tests, scientists were able to conclude that females are better at discriminating among colors, while males excel at tracking fast-moving objects and discerning detail from a distance. These evolutionary adaptations might be linke

scitechdaily.com

The eyes have it: Men and women do see things differently, study of brain's visual centers finds

The way that the visual centers of men and women’s brains works is different, finds new research. Men have greater sensitivity to fine detail and rapidly moving stimuli, but women are better at discriminating between colors.

www.sciencedaily.com

Men and Women Really Do See the World Differently

Women are more perceptive to color changes while guys' eyes are more sensitive to small details and moving objects.

www.livescience.com

Men and Women See Things Differently (No, Literally)

Color perception may actually have something to do with gender

www.smithsonianmag.com

When it Comes to Vision, Men and Women Really Aren’t Seeing Eye to Eye

By: Sadie Steffens, 4th year PhD candidate in the Biomedical Sciences Graduate Program The paint color in our master bathroom has been a source of debate since we bought our house. While I am certa…

lions-talk-science.org

Men and Women Really Do See Things Differently

The grass is almost always greener to women, for starters, a new study says—and such differences could have roots deep in human evolution.

www.nationalgeographic.com

Differences Between Men and Women in Eyesight and Vision Health

The team at Abrams Eye Institute details some of the differences between men and women with eyesight and vision health.

www.abramseyeinstitute.com

Why Men and Women See Things Differently

A possible explanation for the disparities goes back centuries to when men generally served as hunter-gatherers and women as nurturers and child bearers.

www.genengnews.com

https://www.******************/healthy-living/female-perception-vs-male-perception/

Where Men See White, Women See Ecru

Neuroscientists prove what we always suspected: the two sexes see the world differently

www.smithsonianmag.com

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/brain-babble/201504/when-it-comes-color-men-women-arent-seeing-eye-eye

See also:

“Sex Differences in Human Neonatal Social Perception,” Jennifer Connellan Simon Baron-Cohen and Associates, Infant Behaviour and Development, 2000.

“The Dynamics of Primate Retinal Ganglion Cells,” Ehud Kaplan and Ethan Bernardete, Progress in Brain Research, 2001.

“Sex-Specific Development Changes in Amygdala Responses to Affective Faces,” William Killgore, Mika Oki, and Deborah Yurgelun-Todd, NeuroReport, 2001.

“Gender Differences in Regional Cerebral Activity During Sadness,” Frank Schneider, Ute Habel and Associates, Human Brain Mapping, 2000.

Excellent reply.

Not where you you make opinions which are discriminatory and sexist. We have laws relating to those. And exclamation marks are exactly that, not signs of anger. How you use them is up to you.

Perhaps he's from a country where true freedom of speech is championed?

So why don't we address a deeper question here: What was @Robospungo's purpose in "posing this question" to the forum? To gain some validation? To try to prove some kind of point? To try to promote the "correctness" of this viewpoint?

Stating a divisive "question" and then trying to make any debate about it seem absurd is a classic technique for trying to promote vile biases. e.g. "Is it just me, or do (group of people) seem to be (stereotype) more than others? Just asking!"

Look man, if you think the computers "look feminine," whatever. Who cares what you think? Obviously some people agree with you, others don't. Who cares? What is the value of this kind of "question" in ANY MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE?

I think it was a fun thread to brighten up a dull day

 

[DSTOFEL]

Of course you are, this is completely subjective. It is a bit silly IMHO to say that the colours would not appeal to "masculine" men.

To be fair to the original poster. He made no association in his post between feminine and women. He simply stated his opinion that the colors...in his view...were more feminine. Then the attacks began...assuming he was associating ”feminine” with “women”. Feminine is a word that in and of itself has neither positive or negative connotation. The world feminine is not a pegoritive.

 

[qoop]

I'm still waiting for Apple to start making guns and charcoal smokers. Will they ever stop being such feminine pansies? The world waits.

They've got a credit card. It's a start.

 

[qoop]

You know if you want it more masculine all you need to do is spray paint it black and mount a little diesel engine on the back to spew out black smoke. Then you'll be able to enjoy the ambiance of toxic masculinity without even having to go outside and climb the ladder into your pickup truck.

I like this idea.

 

[Andropov]

To be fair to the original poster. He made no association in his post between feminine and women.

The original post literally contains the sentence "Black bezels and a black Apple logo on the front might go a long way to improve the silver iMac to my macho manly eyes."

 

[Andropov]

I think it was a fun thread to brighten up a dull day

I was, but it went downhill pretty fast after people stopped talking about threesomes.

 

[4743913]

Totally inappropriate comment. Who says what colours suits a gender.

thought police much? it's their opinion. carries the same weight as yours. as someone who wore lavender and pink socks to match my lavender and pink izods in the 80s, I like the colors. it's the lack of bootcamp on the inside that bothers me the most.

 

[SuperMatt]

Wow. Look at what has this community become...

I agree with the OP btw, while I wouldn't name them as "feminine", they are most certainly looking annoying. My favorite colors are purple, blue and pink, but damn the new iMacs' colors are too light to appeal male customers.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. You do not speak for all men though. These will be bought by many, many men.

 

[SuperMatt]

Thanks for the Newsflash - (ie There’s no difference between boys and girls), I guess the same applies to young and old, playful and serious, dogs & cats, the various cultures of the world, etc, etc, etc. You should really share your views with the various corporations of the world. Just think about how many billions could be saved in product R&D and advertising as anything these companies make, regardless of the thought put into their products will appeal the same to everyone. Everything is equivalent. Who would have guessed. I really had no idea that Apple paid zero attention to market demographics or target market when designing their products. I guess they’re just ahead of the curve. Btw...I do find the colors of these new iMacs garish. Am I allowed to say that

You’re allowed to say whatever you want. I am also. I don’t mind if you think that way. I do mind when somebody insists (as the OP has repeatedly) that everybody finds these colors feminine-looking and if they say otherwise they are lying and being disingenuous. Being called a liar because I like a different color than somebody is ridiculous.

 

[SuperMatt]

To be fair to the original poster. He made no association in his post between feminine and women. He simply stated his opinion that the colors...in his view...were more feminine. Then the attacks began...assuming he was associating ”feminine” with “women”. Feminine is a word that in and of itself has neither positive or negative connotation. The world feminine is not a pegoritive.

Um, how in the world do you NOT associate the word feminine with women? Do you have some alternate definition of feminine that nobody has ever heard? Merriam-Webster’s #1 definition of feminine is a simple, one-word definition: “female”.

And the OP made it very clear that he holds a disdain for (in his opinion) feminine colors.