Anyone Here Interested in the new Galaxy Phones

[gotluck]

Difference is iOS updates are required to be able to run apps whereas it's optional on Android. For example, I couldn't run Hangouts on iOS 7.0.4 so had to upgrade to 9.2.1 but it rendered my iPhone 4S useless and there's no way to go back. My Note II from the same era running Kit Kat 4.4 can run the latest Hangouts, has 2GB DRAM that iPhone 6S and 6S Plus got in 2015, has better foreground and background multitasking/PiP in 2012 than iOS 9 in 2016, can navigate the OS with pen in place of finger compared to iOS 9 that's still trying to figure it out, etc. iOS requires more frequent updates since it's about 4 years behind.

Your note 2 is vulnerable to stage fright and should really not use MMS though(at the very least not auto retrieve MMS) There are also plenty of Android apps that require lollipop. You have a point but it isn't that rosey!

Also it may have 2gb ram but you know touchwiz is making it perform similar to a 1gb ram ios device WRT the system resources actually available for apps to use. (Or similar to a stock Android 1gb device even)

Beside the point completely but there are tools/methods available to downgrade the 4s these days fwiw

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I am interested next time around simply because of the cost. I am not sure I want to fork out £230 for an iPhone and then pay £36 a month thereafter. I could get an S7 for free and on a cheaper tariff so this appeals. Having been made redundant recently I've started prioritising my spending despite landing a better job than I had before.

The only things I will miss on iOS on a phone are the App Store and photo stream. I can do FaceTime on my iPad and iMessage has been largely replaced by Whatsapp of late due to pictures and videos sending more reliably. The photo stream problem is the one thing that puts me off as we use it daily in our family. I'm not sure I want to be transferring via Google Drive to an iPad just to upload pictures. The new phones look nice and in August I think I'm going to seriously consider an Android device again. I just don't want a massive phone so the standard S7 is about the right size for me.

 

[I7guy]

I am interested next time around simply because of the cost. I am not sure I want to fork out £230 for an iPhone and then pay £36 a month thereafter. I could get an S7 for free and on a cheaper tariff so this appeals. Having been made redundant recently I've started prioritising my spending despite landing a better job than I had before.

The only things I will miss on iOS on a phone are the App Store and photo stream. I can do FaceTime on my iPad and iMessage has been largely replaced by Whatsapp of late due to pictures and videos sending more reliably. The photo stream problem is the one thing that puts me off as we use it daily in our family. I'm not sure I want to be transferring via Google Drive to an iPad just to upload pictures. The new phones look nice and in August I think I'm going to seriously consider an Android device again. I just don't want a massive phone so the standard S7 is about the right size for me.

Free is the best price. Good luck.

 

[JulesJam]

yeah, Knox and Selinus... what is the market share? I can't find much info on it.

KNOX is Samsung's containerization technology. It is more secure than iOS and has made the Galaxy line unrootable.

http://www.samsung.com/us/business/security/knox/

SeLinux is something that is easily googled.

 

[mountain]

Only interested in the Note. Can't stand the rest of Samsung's line.

 

[JulesJam]

Only interested in the Note. Can't stand the rest of Samsung's line.

The Galaxy S7 Edge is a pretty sweet device.

 

[gabo864]

I currently have an iPhone 6s and Im getting a Samsung s7 Edge from work. I always get free phone from work and they've always been iPhones, so when my boss told me I was getting a Samsung phone I was pretty doubtful I would use it much. I love Apple products, I pretty much have them all.

After taking a look at the Samsung s7 Edge, I fell in love with the design, I'm not too crazy about Android OS, but the design of the phone is gorgeous. I was comparing it to a friends iPhone 6s Plus and its crazy how both phones have the same screen size, but the Edge is way smaller compared to the Plus. So thats the only reason I'm gonna give it a try. I wanted a big screen, but the iPhone 6s Plus is just way too big. I think Samsung nailed it with the size of the s7 Edge and for the first time I can say I like a Samsung Phone.

 

[mrex]

The only things I will miss on iOS on a phone are the App Store

Missing app store, really?

App store is horrible, a light year behind playstore.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Missing app store, really?

App store is horrible, a light year behind playstore.

Having browsed it I don't find it quite as pleasant to navigate but it contains much of the same thing.

Why is the App Store light years behind the Playstore? Have I missed something glaringly obvious?

 

[epicrayban]

Perhaps he means the actual App store itself.

If so, I agree. It's a pain navigating through the App Store. Even using the App Store for purchases is a hassle. Too many security features that force you to sometimes use fingerprint scan but other times your Apple ID password. And the worse thing? You can't download large files unless it's over WiFi (this is the world's most advanced mobile OS? What if I need or even just want a large app right away and am not near WiFi?).

Side Note: This is true of software updates, too. Can't update without WiFi. Advanced?

The App store is a perfect instance of where I wish Apple would treat its users like adults. Let me be responsible for my own device and finances.

The Play Store is easier to navigate and use.

 

[John Mcgregor]

KNOX is Samsung's containerization technology. It is more secure than iOS and has made the Galaxy line unrootable.

http://www.samsung.com/us/business/security/knox/

SeLinux is something that is easily googled.

Except it is completely false. You could root S6 without triggering knox just fine.

 

[gotluck]

Except it is completely false. You could root S6 without triggering knox just fine.

eh? source?

maybe the initial firmwares that were vulnerable on verizon. nothing current afaik

I thought kingroot triggered knox anyway, if that works on current firmwares

 

[jamezr]

eh? source?

maybe the initial firmwares that were vulnerable on verizon. nothing current afaik

I thought kingroot triggered knox anyway, if that works on current firmwares

It is my understanding root always triggers Knox and voids the warranty.

 

[John Mcgregor]

eh? source?

maybe the initial firmwares that were vulnerable on verizon. nothing current afaik

I thought kingroot triggered knox anyway, if that works on current firmwares

It's same as with jailbreak nothing world shattering.

 

[gotluck]

It's same as with jailbreak nothing world shattering.

not really though. once you trigger knox you can never go back. it is always triggered. things like samsung pay are permanently broken forever

jailbreaking has zero permanant ramifications. you can always restore to stock and noone will be the wiser
(apple pay also works while jailbroken to boot, due to the secure enclave method)

iOS is actually more friendly than samsung WRT ramifications for root access (nevermind that we havent seen a jailbreak since 9.0.2 ugh)

 

[John Mcgregor]

not really though. once you trigger knox you can never go back. it is always triggered. things like samsung pay are permanently broken forever

jailbreaking has zero permanant ramifications. you can always restore to stock and noone will be the wiser
(apple pay also works while jailbroken to boot, due to the secure enclave method)

iOS is actually more friendly than samsung WRT ramifications for root access (nevermind that we havent seen a jailbreak since 9.0.2 ugh)

What i mean is if there is a bug it is exploited and worked around knox. I tried it myself and it worked. Back to stock android and it's not triggered.

 

[gotluck]

What i mean is if there is a bug it is exploited and worked around knox. I tried it myself and it worked. Back to stock android and it's not triggered.

sounds like you used pingpongroot on older firmware? seems like kingroot can also root without tripping, but it is still subject to the problem below

fair enough, that does seem to root without tripping knox, but you have to be careful what you do when you are rooted, because you can still trip knox after the fact by modifying system files

there is no such problem on jb ios

 

[John Mcgregor]

sounds like you used pingpongroot on older firmware?
fair enough, that does seem to root without tripping knox, but you have to be careful what you do when you are rooted, because you can still trip knox after the fact by modifying system files

there is no such problem on jb ios

Jailbreak only allows you to tweak settings and install 3rd party apps or unlock your sim locked iphone, but your iPhone is already running in a secure and encrypted environment.

 

[gotluck]

Jailbreak only allows you to tweak settings and install 3rd party apps or unlock your sim locked iphone, but your iPhone is already running in a secure and encrypted environment.

jailbreaking allows the exact same things rooting allows. there hasnt been a software sim unlock since iphone 4

an unlocked bootloader android device is a whole different ballgame and allows you to replace the entire ROM. iphone bootloader hasnt had a vulnerability (been unlocked in other words, iphone bootloader has never been unlockable legitimately) since iphone 4 too (limerain)

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

You can root Android without triggering Knox flags, but you can't gain access to Knox. So using Knox as a separate entity for business use, is more secure. If you trigger a Knox flag, then you lose access and/or the ability to use Knox. But rooting without a Knox flag still leaves Knox secure.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[gotluck]

You can root Android without triggering Knox flags, but you can't gain access to Knox. So using Knox as a separate entity for business use, is more secure. If you trigger a Knox flag, then you lose access and/or the ability to use Knox.

but you can only root a knox phone with an exploit like pingpongroot or kingroot etc.., because unlocking the bootloader to root 'legitimately' (as in without using an exploit) trips knox

 

[John Mcgregor]

You can root Android without triggering Knox flags, but you can't gain access to Knox. So using Knox as a separate entity for business use, is more secure. If you trigger a Knox flag, then you lose access and/or the ability to use Knox. But rooting without a Knox flag still leaves Knox secure.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

How is it more secure? You can't gain access to an iPhone if it's protected with an unlock code. You can't brute force it and it will auto erase after 10 tries (if set). Why is FBI crying here.

 

[gotluck]

How is it more secure? You can't gain access to an iPhone if it's protected with an unlock code. You can't brute force it and it will auto erase after 10 tries (if set). Why is FBI crying here.

only more secure in the sense that you know the phone hasnt been substantially tampered with EVER

iOS doesn't have the same e-fuse, and you would never know if a stock secure iphone has been jailbroken and restored in the past

it is semantics really, the iOS device is still secure, it just may not have been sometime in the past, which doesnt really matter. which is why I get pissed at knox. they should be able to figure out a way to let users restore to factory defaults, including knox.. there's got to be a way. They should have also used a secure enclave technique for samsung pay, to allow rooted users to use the service like apple pay does (and the old version of android pay that only worked on phones with a certain chip was similar)

(I know they dont give a crap about rooted users, but early on the Galaxy series was suuuuppper dev friendly)

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

How is it more secure? You can't gain access to an iPhone if it's protected with an unlock code. You can't brute force it and it will auto erase after 10 tries (if set). Why is FBI crying here.

And you think the Feds can get access to Knox without the proper login?

 

[John Mcgregor]

only more secure in the sense that you know the phone hasnt been substantially tampered with EVER

iOS doesn't have the same e-fuse, and you would never know if a stock secure iphone has been jailbroken and restored in the past

it is semantics really, the iOS device is still secure, it just may not have been sometime in the past, which doesnt really matter. which is why I get pissed at knox. they should be able to figure out a way to let users restore to factory defaults, including knox.. there's got to be a way

I'm pretty sure knox will be worked around if required and you won't be able to know if something was done to it.
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And you think the Feds can get access to Knox without the proper login?

Either they can since there is no samsung involved in any FBI case or terrorists prefer iphones.