At this point the Moto g Is faster at launching Chrome than my iPhone 6.Hell even the GS6 seems faster
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Anyone notice how much stutter there is when scrolling?
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Lol. I was tracking the stuttering bug and seeing everyone's reactions and following along. Until this.... Then I realized people are blowing this out of proportion big time.
iOS9.0 and 9.0.1 were horrible in regards to stuttering when scrolling in e.g. settings/app store on both my iPad mini2 and iPhone 5s but since 9.0.2 both devices are a lot better (no more stutter in e.g. settings/ app store or recent calls but still in comparison to iOS8.4 these are the good and the bad.
the bad
- 3rd party keyboards lag is very annoying there is some with Swype (still after yesterdays update) on both iPhone and iPad and major lag with Path Input for iPad
- in some cases i couldn't select the 3rd party keyboard in Spotlight search
- slight delay in opening apps and actually showing the content of the app
the good
- no more resprings on iPad mini2 with various apps (Apple or 3rd party) which was the case with iOS8.3 and iOS8.4
the bad
- 3rd party keyboards lag is very annoying there is some with Swype (still after yesterdays update) on both iPhone and iPad and major lag with Path Input for iPad
- in some cases i couldn't select the 3rd party keyboard in Spotlight search
- slight delay in opening apps and actually showing the content of the app
the good
- no more resprings on iPad mini2 with various apps (Apple or 3rd party) which was the case with iOS8.3 and iOS8.4
I do not get lag on iOS 9. i know how it's supposed to go when an icon is clicked. Except for the "recents" screen no stutter in my app mix.
There have been videos showing apps open up more slowly in iOS 9; that may be but the whole phone feels more polished/smoother/faster imo. And safari is much better than on iOS 8.4.1 and for that one reason alone I wouldn't go back.
Yes, I'm a heavy user whatever that means. It's a "mission critical" device.
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Let it be clear that is impossible for me to test every device in the world. However, I have tested several devices. Furthermore, because the hardware and software is so tightly integrated and apps can only perform in a sandbox, the differences between devices should be minimal. As a result, I think it is safe to conclude that all 5s and 6 devices are significantly laggier.
Having that in the back of my mind, I can only draw one conclusion: you are less critical than some other people on this forum. You do not see the difference between 50 or 200 ms. You don't see the difference between <30 fps and 60 fps. For that reason, you don't experience lag. However, I am 99% sure that your phone *is* actually slower. It's just not that much slower for you to notice, but for a lot of people on this forum, it is that much slower.
It is probably 100% true. The Moto G is a really fast phone and iOS 9 has some kind of delay in opening apps (in which the icon is dark for a slight period of time before opening). That slight delay alone may kill the advantage the 6 had over the Moto G.
Ok, I guess there is nothing else to say as I'm not the only saying iOS 9 is better overall. Let me be clear my phone does not lag or stutter, period. Even if it does, it's in non-critical places. As far as app opening I concede, as far as speed imo seat of the pants, iOS 9.
Edit: maybe the i6 and i6+ got screwed over in this release, but the 5s runs like clockwork.
how about when you swipe to go back in the mail app. You don't see stutter? every iPhone in the Apple store I tried stuttered when swiping to go back. It doesn't happen every time but, after a few tries you will see it.
Last time scrolling was perfectly seamless was on iOS 7.
I dare anybody to scroll on an iPad Air 2 (filled with some music) in the Music app Album view. That's stutter at its best. Does not matter that Air 2 is on iOS 8 or iOS 9.
Twitter is also prone to stutter but it's not as spectacular as on Apple's own Music app.
My iPhone 6 is still on iOS 8.3 and it's impossible to scroll on the Music app Artist view without dropped frames.
Issue is still running rampant but of course individual tolerance to that ugly matter varies.
Since swift was introduced almost nobody has got scrolling events right. Not even Apple. Swift is the culprit of scrolling getting worse since iOS 8. My 0`02
I dare anybody to scroll on an iPad Air 2 (filled with some music) in the Music app Album view. That's stutter at its best. Does not matter that Air 2 is on iOS 8 or iOS 9.
Twitter is also prone to stutter but it's not as spectacular as on Apple's own Music app.
My iPhone 6 is still on iOS 8.3 and it's impossible to scroll on the Music app Artist view without dropped frames.
Issue is still running rampant but of course individual tolerance to that ugly matter varies.
Since swift was introduced almost nobody has got scrolling events right. Not even Apple. Swift is the culprit of scrolling getting worse since iOS 8. My 0`02
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I'm especially seeing stutter/lag with 3rd party keyboards to show in Spotlight search (the one that you get when you swipe down) it happens with Swype and Path Input. Swype has been updated to iOS9. I reinstalled the app and switched from full access and back but doesn't make a difference. The lag is not there anymore with e.g. Safari and other apps since i reinstalled the app but still with Spotlight search. I'm using iOS9.0.2 on iPhone 5s and iPad mini2.
If all we are discussing is swiping back in the mail app that stutters one in every "x" times, I wouldn't care. I would dismiss this as an annoyance. I know you are trying to show where stutter exists, but as I already said I haven't really noticed it except in the recents list, which I do agree is annoying.
Try and pull up control centre when you are in the app switcher.Try to open the keypad when you are on a call.
Every time the animations in both these cases are stuttery without fail
I am not able to open the control center while in the task switcher, I have not been able to get it to work since I found out it can be done. (Something I never tried in iOS 8)
As far as the keypad in a call, it comes up very quickly on my 6s; so if there is stutter I don't see it.
Discounting "trolls" 
Device issue and bug "documentors" fall into 5 categories IMO:
Most "normal" people fall into category 1 or 3
Folks on this forum - category 2 or 4 with a very few in 5
For those who are iPhone long time users and iDevices are their devices of choice, most likely don't realize the issues some are expounding. Using a Note 5 and a 6S Plus daily the lag, the delay, and other issues for me are noticeable. I saw them on the 6 Plus on 8.x but they "seemed" better than on 9.x. I did a reset review of the Mini 3 / 6 Plus / 6S Plus https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/thank-you-so-much-apple.1925568/page-3#post-22029690 and was a bit surprised. This is like not realizing how bad the handling of your Chevy Malibu is until you drive an BMW M3. Till you drive the M3, the Malibu feels pretty good.
It's perception for most. I guarantee we are not all the same.
Device issue and bug "documentors" fall into 5 categories IMO:
- Those that just accept and trudge on
- Those that accept by refusing to accept any issue as true
- Those that just accept and develop work-arounds
- Those that whine and complain about what doesn't work
- Those that look for alternative solutions
Most "normal" people fall into category 1 or 3
Folks on this forum - category 2 or 4 with a very few in 5
For those who are iPhone long time users and iDevices are their devices of choice, most likely don't realize the issues some are expounding. Using a Note 5 and a 6S Plus daily the lag, the delay, and other issues for me are noticeable. I saw them on the 6 Plus on 8.x but they "seemed" better than on 9.x. I did a reset review of the Mini 3 / 6 Plus / 6S Plus https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/thank-you-so-much-apple.1925568/page-3#post-22029690 and was a bit surprised. This is like not realizing how bad the handling of your Chevy Malibu is until you drive an BMW M3. Till you drive the M3, the Malibu feels pretty good.
It's perception for most. I guarantee we are not all the same.
Citing your own post does not bolster your case. In fact you forgot #6, which is "users not having issues".Discounting "trolls"
Device issue and bug "documentors" fall into 5 categories IMO:
- Those that just accept and trudge on
- Those that accept by refusing to accept any issue as true
- Those that just accept and develop work-arounds
- Those that whine and complain about what doesn't work
- Those that look for alternative solutions
Most "normal" people fall into category 1 or 3
Folks on this forum - category 2 or 4 with a very few in 5
For those who are iPhone long time users and iDevices are their devices of choice, most likely don't realize the issues some are expounding. Using a Note 5 and a 6S Plus daily the lag, the delay, and other issues for me are noticeable. I saw them on the 6 Plus on 8.x but they "seemed" better than on 9.x. I did a reset review of the Mini 3 / 6 Plus / 6S Plus https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/thank-you-so-much-apple.1925568/page-3#post-22029690 and was a bit surprised. This is like not realizing how bad the handling of your Chevy Malibu is until you drive an BMW M3. Till you drive the M3, the Malibu feels pretty good.
It's perception for most. I guarantee we are not all the same.
I have yet to find a single user that did not have an issue. Most fall into category 1 or 3. That is around 40 or so folks that have an iPhone - various models.
Mind you I do work in an Engineering/IT/QA group. It is literally perception.
You are not the only tech savvy person on macrumors you know. In my former career I designed embedded operating systems so I know a thing or two about hardware and software.
Can the people who have phones who don't exhibit issues also not jump in every time someone DOES have an issue and claim that since they don't, nobody does? The truth is somewhere in the middle. I have a 6+ 64GB that exhibits stuttering while scrolling, choppiness within the multitask switcher, the list goes on. I have restored and set my phone up as new, something that is a complete and utter pain in the ass, all to "go through the steps" of what everyone who doesn't have these issues claims will fix everything like magic.
It's also well documented that the iPhone 6+ seems to get the worst of the performance issues here, as for what exact reason nobody seems to know but my thoughts are the hardware that was touted as being the best in class only a year ago can't handle what iOS 9 is doing. The real problem is however that how can any of us come up with a solution to this problem? We can't. This is on Apple to make things right, not us. If the only proposed solutions to me are "deal with it", "just go buy an Android or Blackberry idiot", or "well my new S model doesn't, so maybe get one of those", then I guess I have to just "deal with it". There's absolutely zero reason to think that hardware that's only a year old that ran the last version of iOS at blistering speeds is now so bad that it can't handle the new iOS.
Finally, we all get that nothing has been or ever will be 100% perfect, but simply that when Apple goes on stage, at their main OS event, to espouse that they've optimized iOS 9 to be faster and smoother than ever, when it's in reality NOT that on some devices (my 6+, which is laughable), is bogus.
The end.
It's also well documented that the iPhone 6+ seems to get the worst of the performance issues here, as for what exact reason nobody seems to know but my thoughts are the hardware that was touted as being the best in class only a year ago can't handle what iOS 9 is doing. The real problem is however that how can any of us come up with a solution to this problem? We can't. This is on Apple to make things right, not us. If the only proposed solutions to me are "deal with it", "just go buy an Android or Blackberry idiot", or "well my new S model doesn't, so maybe get one of those", then I guess I have to just "deal with it". There's absolutely zero reason to think that hardware that's only a year old that ran the last version of iOS at blistering speeds is now so bad that it can't handle the new iOS.
Finally, we all get that nothing has been or ever will be 100% perfect, but simply that when Apple goes on stage, at their main OS event, to espouse that they've optimized iOS 9 to be faster and smoother than ever, when it's in reality NOT that on some devices (my 6+, which is laughable), is bogus.
The end.
Amen.Just imagine that if this is the situation on iOS 9,what would it run like on 10.If Apple doesnt get their **** together till 9.4.1 or whatever,I am off to get the next Sony Xperia.THey are slow as hell in updates but at least I wont get a stutter on minor things and as of now my Nexus 5 and my iPhone 6 are in the same ballpark as far as OS smoothness goes and considering the price delta this is unacceptable
Didn't say I was. Just stating that my "sample" group was primarily of an engineering bent.
Have to agree. Since 7.x, if my work did not use the iPhone, I would stick with just my Note 5. Since it does, I try my best to learn to use it.
I have no stutter or lag on either my 6s or Mini 2.
What is missing from all these statements is what apps are running - or do you close down apps after using (other than?); how many tabs do you have open in your browser etc.
For those who have stutter or lag or ?? have you tried closing all apps except 1 and see if it makes a difference, etc. I'm not saying you should have to close all down and not use phone as you want but it could be 1 or 2 apps that are really causing a lot of the problems. Research from people who have issues could really help all.
What is missing from all these statements is what apps are running - or do you close down apps after using (other than?); how many tabs do you have open in your browser etc.
For those who have stutter or lag or ?? have you tried closing all apps except 1 and see if it makes a difference, etc. I'm not saying you should have to close all down and not use phone as you want but it could be 1 or 2 apps that are really causing a lot of the problems. Research from people who have issues could really help all.
I did a reset and ran into the stutter on a fresh 6 plus and Mini 3 both with only default apps installed. Stutter was Safari. At the time, Task Manager had been emptied.
- 6+ - Safari - serious stutter on long pages, had one tab (CNN) just fail and close during testing.
- i3 - Safari - serious stutter on long pages, had some tabs reload, other tabs crashed.