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If Affinity say yes to my question about Designer, I am bailing on the iPad Pro for the Surface Pro 6. I was considering a 10.5 to replace my now sold unpredictable and too frequently unresponsive 12.9, but I am tired of giving Apple chances when their quality control in hardware and software is sorely lacking and their prices keep rising.

So, yeah, I may bail.

UPDATE: Not just yet. Bought a 10.5 iPad Pro on sale at Best Buy last night, but still thinking about replacing my iMac with a Surface product.
 
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No. If anything we’ve been adding more iPads and removing Macs in my household. I actually only have a work issued MBP right now, but am planning to buy a desktop next year.
 
Nope - have purchased probably my last Mac (2011 - MacBook Air) - happily getting everything done now on the iPad Pro for both personal and professional work (use 2 iPad Pros side by side in my day job working in marketing/producing podcasts).
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Exactly. How can an iPad or large screened smartphone possibly be a laptop replacement when you need a computer to manage these devices?
I think soon this will be possible with the iPad Pro thanks to USB-C. If not with iOS 13, with iOS 15.
 
Yep. Mine gathers dust. Just couldn't get into using it for actual work. Only hanging onto it as i'm thinking of maybe buying a drone rather than relying on my buddy whenever I want aerial footage, and the iPad would finally have a purpose if I were to do that.
 
You know when I saw the pricing of the new iPad pros I thought the pricing was nuts but I think Apple is aiming this to be the laptop replacement. If they can continue to improving iOS, adding more uses to USB-C the pricing may end of being a real steal especially when you look at performance . In some ways the iPad can do more than the MacBook Pro and in many ways less. I’m excited to see where they take iOS and the iPad. Hoping for Final Cut Pro for the iPad!
 
I mainly use browser based apps, so I have no need for the iPad. Gave mine away over a year ago, and I couldn't be happier.
 
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I’m currently out of job since I hit the wall and ended up in a deep depression at my last job due to being ridiculously over worked. with that said I currently don’t have a workflow or a set way to do a job/task which I had before.

But I rely on my iPad Pro (9.7”) more than ever before, I use my AP for journaling and other note taking, I read books and use the Calm app for meditation - every morning 7 days a week. So for me my iPad has become a savior in a way that I didn’t think it would. I first bought it for my creative stuff, photo/video etc before sending my work to my iMac but the last couple of months, I barely touched my iMac, barely pick up my iPhone (except when i’m out and about and leaving my iPad st home).

So for me to eliminate my iPad would probably work but would make me less willing to keep up a with my daily routines which by itself makes me feel better and help me recover.

As it been said before, not everyone has a need for the iPad, some do others don’t but for me it really does fill a function, in a way that I didn’t know was possible.

Just me cent in the mix, been lurking here since the Apple event and reeeeeally want the new ones but we’ll see, hopefully the upgrade will come so enough for me.
 
Nope. I loathe laptops. Daily consumption device will be a tablet. Easier to use, easier to move, easier period. I also like that I can blank it if it does something where I need to restore, it’s simple. The iPad Pro is one reason I hate large phones and don’t care for laptops. It’s lighter than a laptop, but still get a 13” screen. Simpler OS. It’s also better for my eyes than squinting a 6” or whatever screen for daily use. I use the phone for music, comms, and at the most for you tube or something while working, mostly just to listen. The phone is the mobile device so I don’t want a phablet phone. Consuming vast arrays of media on a small device like a smartphone, even a phablet isn’t my bag at all. If I’m computing, I want to sit at my desk at home or in the work office, and have multiple large screens, a full keyboard, mouse, sound, etc. I do that at home with a Mac mini. The pad is also pretty excellent at controlling the ATV, especially sending video content in Safari to the tv.

I get it, people are blowing up over these new IPad prices. Well that was me with these latest phone prices. I’m much more inclined to give Apple a grand for 13” IPP that will push 4K, is edge to edge, and all the other bs on the new one, because it’s LIGHTER AND A SMALLER FORM FACTOR than what I’m typing on now. Where is the smaller lighter phone?
I receive my new IPP on November 7th and will give them my current one an hour later via FedEx. I didn’t buy a phone this year and won’t until someone in Cupertino gets a clue that many of us don’t want phablets.

I also don’t upgrade anything every single year. That always seemed just insane to me. Old prices, new prices, not upgrading every year, foolish financially. I own a home and there is always something with the money pit that needs attention and I need to grow my investments. I used to upgrade phones every other year until this deal. IPad every other gen, so maybe every 3 years. My quad core mini runs like a top and has for 4 years.


In 2-3 years they're going to "legacy" your mini and drop software support. They just did it to me with my MacBook Air. So ironically the modern latest operating system I have on myMBA now is Windows 10 under boot camp.

So when they drop support, will you give them $2000 for a new mini, or reformat with Windows/Linux.

I think I'm probably done with Apple now, and like you invest the money instead.

I'm making myself richer now. Apple is rich enough.
 
In 2-3 years they're going to "legacy" your mini and drop software support. They just did it to me with my MacBook Air. So ironically the modern latest operating system I have on myMBA now is Windows 10 under boot camp.

So when they drop support, will you give them $2000 for a new mini, or reformat with Windows/Linux.

I think I'm probably done with Apple now, and like you invest the money instead.

I'm making myself richer now. Apple is rich enough.

If they drop support for my mini I will be forced to get a new one. I'm not upset with the new Mini. I only run the OS and programs off the HD (upgraded mine to SSD the day I got it). All my files I store externally so I'll order a 6 core, lowest storage, and lowest ram. It's looking like we can replace the RAM ourselves. If they had soldered that again, then yeah I'd be looking elsewhere.

I'm happy they've done all this. It's forcing me to evaluate their products, how often I upgrade, etc. Now I'm buying stuff from them, and writing in a date. I was happy to "upgrade" every few years, now when I buy a device from them I'm running it into the ground.

I get mid tier storage on the phone, lowest available on the pad, and a new mini will be ordered in the lowered configs. Never been a fan of Apple storage or RAM prices, that's where they stick it to you. 4k external displays for the new mini are still to expensive for me. They'll significantly drop in price over the next 2 years and like you said, I'll probably get maybe 2 more years out of my mini before they end of life it.
 
I would get rid of my iPad Pro if I stopped doing art. (I would possibly replace it with a 12” MacBook.j
And I would get rid of my iPad mini if I stopped reading ebooks.
But as it is, I don’t plan on stopping either, so my iPads are very necessary in my life.

But I also don’t upgrade my devices unless the new models add a lot of functional value, which isn’t the case for me right now.

And for people saying you don’t need a traditional computer— that may be so, but hopefully you don’t ever try to do an OTA iOS update and it bricks your phone (actually bricks, not temporarily broken) and you take it to an Apple genius and they tell you that you should have done your update through iTunes, and you’re just out of luck. (Yep, happened to me.)
 
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I'll probably have an entry ipad around the house as my 12 yr old daughter loves to draw and that's all she does on it (but it will basically be hers with her info on it). My 4yr old, i had to get rid of the ipad mini. The whole idea of using education apps never took off with him as he reverts to other games or watching video. His obsession with needing it started getting out of hand. And to be honest, I'm sick to death of apps and pop up ads or wanting 99.99 for a bag of coins. I don't want him around it anymore and find he's behaving better now. I set up an old macbook on a monitor for him that is definitely more occasional use than his sneaking an ipad to bed and not getting to sleep til midnight.

My wife couldn't care less about an ipad. As for me, I enjoyed the tech, the screen, responsiveness, etc but that was years ago. Even with all that, i found I hardly used it. The brand new pro has a screen that's been expanded in XR style but seems lower quality (what was once the best screen in the industry is simply not anymore for apple reasons). I'm just not taken with it. I think after a few hours, after new gadget lust wore off, I was left thinking its a downgrade in some ways especially the dimmer screen. I just paid 1700+ accessories for this and the experience isn't much better than the 250 dollar ipad. As someone who is diehard about apple tech and easily enjoys his iphone xsmax with no problems over price paid, this ipad purchase just doesn't work for me.

Yes, the Pencil is an improvement. How could it not be? The first one performed well but was a maintenance nightmare. But I already worked around that with a stand for pencil and its own charger.

1700 (more like 2k with pencil and case and i haven't even gotten into cables) though. Wow. I remember thinking how dumb I was for paying around 1k for the 9.7 pro. I already know there's no way I'm keeping this. I could get a macbook pro for this.

Obviously, there's a lot of people on here with simple needs that will rationalize or try to justify this ipad all day long. It's noise to me. Even if I was trying to make this my primary or only computer, I'd still feel this ipad is simply way overpriced. The UI is too clunky. Simply things are clumsy like copy n paste. Using two apps side by side is clumsy. Limitations galore exist.

I keep thinking even if this got OLED I probably would just marvel at it for a few days back to collecting dust it would go only to be used very occasionally to read a comic or something. Or if iOS got a few more features, it's not like I'd suddenly start using an ipad over a real computer OS.

But just as I've decided i finally don't need an iphone every year, I'm finding I don't really need (or at this point...want) an ipad at all. And probably never did..but let gadget lust drive me. The idea of having it and what I could probably do with it and how well certain apps looked and worked on it was probably appealing. It just never translated into me actually making it a reality. I mean c'mon, I loaded old ones up with movies and never watched them. All the streaming apps that looked great on it like netflix and never used them. Hundreds of comics and probably only read a few occasionally when I started feeling bad for neglecting the device after a few weeks of it laying on a shelf. Note taking or drawing? Nope, didn't exactly happen. But am I going to repeat this process? Sure seemed like it. Sounds a bit stupid though. I'm glad i got my sanity back. It only took Apple skyrocketing their prices to trigger it.
 
Actually I’m thinking of going the other way and eliminating my MacBook Pro for one of the new iPads.

Same.

I plan on transitioning to a desktop + iPad set up.

Will get rid of my MBP when the iMac screen moves to an edge to edge design.
 
You don’t necessarily need a computer. I haven’t had a traditional computer for a few years, just iPad and iPhone. No problems.

I’m pretty much there...
Although I do use my MacBook from time to time, mostly use an iPad for everything.

WORK: I have a company IPad 2018, which, with the Citrix client and acquiring a Citrix Mouse that’s all I need (admittedly the mouse has made a huge difference) - I did slip back to using a Corporate laptop but recently handed that back in and has made me realised just how good the iPad is, and it’s all I need for work.

HOME: I use my iPad Pro 10.5 - it is mostly just browsing and stuff that I do... but love how handy the iPad is. The only thing I wish is that Smart albums would work in photos in iOS so I can see which pictures have not been put into albums (as I like to structure them), that’s the one thing I need the MacBook for which I wish I didn’t.

Personally, I think that laptops are the ‘old way’ and have to move with the times, and it’s going the tablet way, so may as well embrace it. Things may have to be done different, but don’t want to get stuck in that ‘well I’ve always done it that way mentality’

DNichter, it sounds like you have fully embraced it, would be interesting to know what apps you use for what (both work and home).
Do feel like using Citrix I’m kinda cheating in a way, so the more I can do with the native iPad the better.
 
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I’m pretty much there...
Although I do use my MacBook from time to time, mostly use an iPad for everything.

WORK: I have a company IPad 2018, which, with the Citrix client and acquiring a Citrix Mouse that’s all I need (admittedly the mouse has made a huge difference) - I did slip back to using a Corporate laptop but recently handed that back in and has made me realised just how good the iPad is, and it’s all I need for work.

HOME: I use my iPad Pro 10.5 - it is mostly just browsing and stuff that I do... but love how handy the iPad is. The only thing I wish is that Smart albums would work in photos in iOS so I can see which pictures have not been put into albums (as I like to structure them), that’s the one thing I need the MacBook for which I wish I didn’t.

Personally, I think that laptops are the ‘old way’ and have to move with the times, and it’s going the tablet way, so may as well embrace it. Things may have to be done different, but don’t want to get stuck in that ‘well I’ve always done it that way mentality’

DNichter, it sounds like you have fully embraced it, would be interesting to know what apps you use for what (both work and home).
Do feel like using Citrix I’m kinda cheating in a way, so the more I can do with the native iPad the better.

That’s interesting, I actually haven’t used the Citrix client or mouse, but I’d like to give it a shot. My companies apps all run through Citrix, so I would imagine I could access that way. I’ll look into it. For my position, I am more in charge of people and productivity management, so I don’t need a ton of special apps, but I use it for email, FaceTime meetings, drafting proposals and making presentations using Microsoft office, managing clients productivity dashboards through Safari, reviewing reports through Excel, OneNote for my note taking, stuff like that. It has been pretty simple for me in that aspect. I did purchase an NAS from QNAP a few years back which has been a huge help, basically my own personal cloud. I use that to run my Plex server, homebridge, and download torrents and such all from my iPad. I’ll likely never go back to using macOS unless my position drastically changes.
 
That’s interesting, I actually haven’t used the Citrix client or mouse, but I’d like to give it a shot. My companies apps all run through Citrix, so I would imagine I could access that way. I’ll look into it. For my position, I am more in charge of people and productivity management, so I don’t need a ton of special apps, but I use it for email, FaceTime meetings, drafting proposals and making presentations using Microsoft office, managing clients productivity dashboards through Safari, reviewing reports through Excel, OneNote for my note taking, stuff like that. It has been pretty simple for me in that aspect. I did purchase an NAS from QNAP a few years back which has been a huge help, basically my own personal cloud. I use that to run my Plex server, homebridge, and download torrents and such all from my iPad. I’ll likely never go back to using macOS unless my position drastically changes.

Thanks DNichter, that’s really interesting.

Work have everything running through a Citrix Desktop.
Find it quite easy, have the Remote Token App, VPN App and the Citrix App (Now called ‘workspace’) so a quick 3-step process and I’m in in seconds... I’m used to a small screen, so just the iPad, along with a Logitech ‘keys to go’ Bluetooth keyboard that I had already for home and the Citrix mouse I’m good to go.
When in the office I do usually hook up to a monitor using the Apple adapter, was a bit fiddly to get the right resolution, and the Citrix software is not without its quirks, but on the whole it’s a solid option. The Citrix mouse works well.
Hopefully when and if we go office 365 it will be even better and can use more native stuff outside of Citrix, but will see.

Also have access to work email thru an app outside of the Citrix desktop for when I just want to quickly check or reply.

Used to use my own iPad but was forever checking work email and getting stressed, so very much keep the work one for work and my own for my use.

For home decided to go iCloud for storage and Apple Music...

Great to see someone else embracing using the iPad for as much as they can... they are awesome devices.
 
It boils down to power users vs simple? users.

For consumption of simple media, an iPad is good. For creating simple stuff that doesn't require a lot of complexity and to be extensible, an iPad is fine.

But for anything serious, like file operations, media creation... anything actually important in fact, an iPad starts showing serious limitations. You can't even upload a new song to your Apple library without a real computer... and that's just music.
 
I find for my job in marketing that producing a podcast entirely on the iPad to be a vastly better experience than using a Mac. Ferrite to me is more intuitive and prefer working on the iPad’s hardware and OS to do this. For me personally I’m able to create some rather “complex” podcasts with tons of edits and output a podcast that I’m extremely pleased with on iOS. Logic is not a fun tool to use. I produce 3 podcasts for work and 2 personally and love the iPad for this. I rarely need to go to my Mac mini that I have at work and when I do I’m using JumpDesktop from my iPad to do so (it’s a headless Mac).

For my job I’m very happy to do most everything on the iPad, its a great tool and scheduling our social media posts is more efficient than ever thanks to building out a kickbutt Shortcut with the HubSpot API and pulling from a library of content that lives in Trello. The modern tools that I need just don’t exist on the Mac. I’ve tried building things like this in Automator and I can’t do it or at least can’t wrap my head around how it works to do it.
 
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Aside from the crazy high prices of the new iPad Pros today, I'm starting to think with MacBook Pros getting better displays, being even lighter, and of course, still more powerful (especially with the VEGA graphics), I'm finding that I can probably squeeze the iPad out of my workflow.

I'm currently on a 2013 macbook pro 15" and I'm looking to maybe upgrade when Cannonlake comes out, and it got me thinking, I almost never bother with my iPad as I can usually do just fine with my macbook pro and my iPhone 7 Plus for when I'm away from my mac. I'm starting to struggle to find a usage scenario for my iPad.

Anyone else thinking about going back to the old lineup of just a mac and a phone?
Your comments have me wondering why you had an iPad in the first place. :confused: Not a dig at you, but it doesn't sound like it ever really fit in with your workflows.

I've downsized from my 12.9 iPad Pro to the 2018 iPad + Apple Pencil. This combo is really shining as a digital notebook and sketchpad. There is no way that a laptop, particularly a macbook, could replace it for that purpose.

In combination with that, I've been making increasing use of my Pixelbook. It has already replaced my Macbook Air and replaced most of what I was using my 12.9 iPad Pro for. Except for the larger size it could replace my iPad, but for the time being it's working very well.
 
My iPad has been go to device for browsing, reading, note taking at work etc for years now. I couldn't imagine sitting on the sofa with my MacBook now.

Other than taking it to work each day, I generally don't travel much with my MacBook either. Unless I know I need to boot up Windows or Xcode for some reason (and for something I can't do over RDP or VNC) I woudn't take my MacBook travelling over the iPad. For personal trips the thought of taking my MacBook never enters my head!

In work it's the perfect note taking device - I find laptops in meetings a bit intrusive and the iPad seems just right. Also, it's a lot more portable to just pick up the 10.5" iPad and wander off to a meeting than take even a slim MacBook.

Just my opinion of course and everyone's real world scenarios are different :)
 
My iPad Pro basically serves as my notebook. I don't want to go back to having a paper notebook and I know myself well enough to know I will always need a place to jot down things and brainstorm. It just helps me think better. So no I will not be giving up my iPad because neither a macbook or phone can replicate the notepad use case for me.

I will say that I have zero desire to upgrade my 10.5" iPad Pro anytime soon. As long as it keeps working and accepting pen input I'll probably just stick with that one. I personally think the new iPad Pros are a bit ugly, but that's just me. Also I would HAVE to get a new apple pencil to work with the new iPad Pro so I will just stick with what I have for now.
 
Aside from the crazy high prices of the new iPad Pros today, I'm starting to think with MacBook Pros getting better displays, being even lighter, and of course, still more powerful (especially with the VEGA graphics), I'm finding that I can probably squeeze the iPad out of my workflow.

I'm currently on a 2013 macbook pro 15" and I'm looking to maybe upgrade when Cannonlake comes out, and it got me thinking, I almost never bother with my iPad as I can usually do just fine with my macbook pro and my iPhone 7 Plus for when I'm away from my mac. I'm starting to struggle to find a usage scenario for my iPad.

Anyone else thinking about going back to the old lineup of just a mac and a phone?
If you want to lay in bed using your laptop before going to sleep, knock yourself out.
 
Aside from the crazy high prices of the new iPad Pros today, I'm starting to think with MacBook Pros getting better displays, being even lighter, and of course, still more powerful (especially with the VEGA graphics), I'm finding that I can probably squeeze the iPad out of my workflow.
I have gone the other way and eliminated the MacBook from my workflow. 99% of things I want to do, I can do on my iPad Pro, including some things of which the MacBook is not capable. I also much prefer the iPad experience.

But everyone to their own - what works best for you. We are lucky to have so many choices!
 
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