All iPads Anyone thinking about Eliminating iPad?

[MadeByApple]

I have gone the other way and eliminated the MacBook from my workflow. 99% of things I want to do, I can do on my iPad Pro, including some things of which the MacBook is not capable. I also much prefer the iPad experience.

But everyone to their own - what works best for you. We are lucky to have so many choices!

Same here. I don’t have much reason to have a laptop anymore. My iPad handles all my mobile needs. If I need to edit video, pictures, or need to do anything heavy, I have a desktop to fill in the gap.

I think apple realizes this too. I recently watched a video about how the iPhone came to exist. The iPhone was an evolution of the iPod; they saw the iPhone as the next step in mobile technology and a direct competitor to the iPod. Apple was right because the iPod was eventually phased out. (I’ll try to find that video).

The iPad MIGHT do the same to laptops. I doubt MacBooks will go away entirely, but I think more and more people will realize they don’t need a laptop for their MOBILE computer needs— the iPad will suffice.

 

[christophermdia]

If anything I would eliminate MacBook, keeping iMac. iPad does most everything I need ....

 

[alecgold]

Those who can use an iPad Pro as their main computer never needed a Mac in the first place.

That might be very well true, but until the iPad Pro arrived, main computers where the only way to go. Bluetooth keyboards where always a pain in the proverbial place because of connectivity issues (my personal experience) and third party pencils wheren’t good enough either (and couldn’t be because they don’t have system wide integration etc).
So the first iPad Pro 12.9” was really a game changer for me. I chose the 12.9 because I could read old badly scanned books, magazine articles, columned pages much easier. Since then that has changed and a 11” is more then enough real estate for me these days.

When interviewing somebody, one of the biggest advantages of an iPad the screen that is laying flat on the table, me writing in Nebo, so the screen isn’t between us like a fortress-wall. And the person that is being interviewed likes to have the idea that they can read what I’m writing down. They can’t because my handwriting is horrible, but the idea that have some control seems to make them talk more readily, be more at ease.

I think the iPP11 is awful expensive. 512Mb together with AC+, SKF and Pencil2 and taxes it was almost 2k! (€1932)
The again for work I use my iPad about 25-30% of the time and for my Fiscal Law study it’s almost as much as 75-80%.
So for something that is used 30-40 hours a week, for me it was a worthwhile investment.
Up until last year I used a 2009 Mac Mini (without screen/keyboard/mouse, just a small MacMini in the corner of my office) and Jump Desktop for a few tasks that I couldn’t do on the iPad.
When the 2009 MM started to fail I didn’t want to buy an almost 4 year old 2014 Mac Mini, so I bought a MacBook Pro.

In my daily use the combination of an iPad Pro 11’ 512Gb+P2+SKF and a MacBook Pro 15” 16Gb/512Gb is really optimal, be it a bit overly expensive.
I could also very well use an entry model Mac Mini and an iPad Pro 12.9”.
Thinking about the new prices, that might both have become rather expensive...
Checking the local Apple Store, it’s €2851 for the most basic Mac Mini and the 256 12.9” ouch.
MacBook Pro 15” and 11” come in at well over €5200 with local taxes. Darn this has become expensive.

 

[akash.nu]

Those who can use an iPad Pro as their main computer never needed a Mac in the first place.

Completely agree with you.

 

[aevan]

Aside from the crazy high prices of the new iPad Pros today, I'm starting to think with MacBook Pros getting better displays, being even lighter, and of course, still more powerful (especially with the VEGA graphics), I'm finding that I can probably squeeze the iPad out of my workflow.

I'm currently on a 2013 macbook pro 15" and I'm looking to maybe upgrade when Cannonlake comes out, and it got me thinking, I almost never bother with my iPad as I can usually do just fine with my macbook pro and my iPhone 7 Plus for when I'm away from my mac. I'm starting to struggle to find a usage scenario for my iPad.

Anyone else thinking about going back to the old lineup of just a mac and a phone?

Well, it really depends on your workflow. For example, I need the Apple Pencil for illustration, so I need the iPad. Also, I need 15” on my MBP for certain things, so she’s too big for me to use lying in bed. However, if a 12” MacBook, or the new Air, can meet your needs - perhaps you don’t need an iPad. Certainly don’t force yourself to use a device just because it exists.

This is how I’d look at it. Please note that I assume you already have and need a MacBook (so only iPad is in question):

Do you need to use a large screen device without a desk or a lap to support them? If yes - you probably need an iPad Pro.

Do you need to use the Apple Pencil? If yes - you need an iPad Pro.

Do you like to use the device in portrait orientation to maximise screen space for content (for example, you often read graphic novels or magazines)? If yes - you probably need an iPad Pro.

Do you need mobility of a screen larger than your phone, but you also need to have a 15” MBP? If yes - you probably need a second device (iPad, MB12”, MB Air) to complement it.

If none of these three things are required for you, you can probably just use a 12-13” MacBook and your phone. Which is a great combo.

Personally, I couldn’t use iPad as my only computer, but I also couldn’t do without the iPad Pro.

 

[musicpenguy]

Completely agree with you.

Well until Ferrite added MP3 export I actually did need a Mac or Windows computer to do my podcast production. Find that statement pretty off and inaccurate.

Why don’t you layout your e-book with a typewriter - the iPad Pro is now in a position to do things I once needed a Mac for many years ago. I needed a Mac in 2010 when the iPad launched because the software/OS was not there. Progress has been made to its capabilities and that is no longer the case.

 

[secretk]

My iPad and my laptop serve different purposes.

I use the iPad for those few things:

1. Digital notebook - taking notes during meetings at work, scribbling while brainstorming etc
2. Playing (I am so not talented so it's just playing) in Procreate, IbisiPaint x etc
3. Mp3 player while travelling (if the phone I use as such is out of battery)
4. Reading and annotating pdfs

I use my laptop for those things:

1. Watching movies
2. Listening to music while making ready for work
3. Chatting with friends
4. Browsing in Internet
5. Writing emails
6. Coding ( I am Software Developer and sometimes use my personal computer for learning new stuff)

I can't replace one or the other because for me my laptop cannot do what the iPad does and the iPad can definitely not do what my laptop does. Now once I decide to change my current laptop (would not be soon as it's just 1 year old) I can check the 2 in 1 laptops and then I might remove the iPad from my workflow. I like Windows better anyway so me going to Windows tablet would not be that much of a hassle. I am not into the pure tablet experience anyway. I just needed digital notebook with pencil support.

 

[akash.nu]

Well until Ferrite added MP3 export I actually did need a Mac or Windows computer to do my podcast production. Find that statement pretty off and inaccurate.

Why don’t you layout your e-book with a typewriter - the iPad Pro is now in a position to do things I once needed a Mac for many years ago. I needed a Mac in 2010 when the iPad launched because the software/OS was not there. Progress has been made to its capabilities and that is no longer the case.

Yes that’s true actually. I agree.

 

[kazmac]

My 10.5 iPad Pro is for relaxation (drawing, reading comics, watching movies), light blogging and homework.

Still need my iMac for video conversion, image editing, most school assignments, more intense blogging etc.

I am entertaining the idea of trying a Surface product once the iMac goes kaput. I’d like one device to do everything, but I suspect even if that device materializes, I’d still want mobile. Apple quality control does not equal their obnoxious price points.

If the watch could make calls and text independently of the iPhone, I’d ditch the phone as I am not a power user and they’re way too expensive for my needs.

Regarding iPads, if I stick around after this 10.5 I will buy older iPad Pro models on sale. Ditto for the iPhone.

 

[Mainsail]

Those who can use an iPad Pro as their main computer never needed a Mac in the first place.

I don’t understand these sweeping generalizations. It implies that all of the people that currently use an iPad as their primary work device didn’t need to use a computer prior to switching to iPad. When in fact, they used a computer because there was no other option before the iPad. Statements like these are just ways of diminishing the value of what people do on their iPads, without having any knowledge about the users’ professional requirements.

Recently, I did the following on my 2017 base iPad;

• Create a Flyer for an apartment rental
• Create a brochure for heavy equipment models
• Edit a detailed spreadsheet of property income and expenses
• Create a 10 slide presentation that I gave to my local school board
• Take notes in meetings, including simple sketches and diagrams

I also use my iPad to; answer Mail, Browse Web, Organize/Edit Photos, Make iMovies and slideshows, read Books.....the list goes on and on. Please do not say i could do these things with a smartphone. I would never build a 10 slide presentation deck on a phone. I would never write a 10 page report on a phone. I would never write a two page email response on a phone. I would never take meeting notes on a phone. In the past, I needed a traditional computer to do this stuff. Now, I can do them on my iPad and I am really beginning to doubt my need for a traditional computer......not because i never needed a computer.....but, because an iPad offers a legitimate alternative to the things I used to do on a computer.

 

[booksbooks]

I don’t understand these sweeping generalizations. It implies that all of the people that currently use an iPad as their primary work device didn’t need to use a computer prior to switching to iPad. When in fact, they used a computer because there was no other option before the iPad. Statements like these are just ways of diminishing the value of what people do on their iPads, without having any knowledge about the users’ professional requirements.

Recently, I did the following on my 2017 base iPad;

• Create a Flyer for an apartment rental
• Create a brochure for heavy equipment models
• Edit a detailed spreadsheet of property income and expenses
• Create a 10 slide presentation that I gave to my local school board
• Take notes in meetings, including simple sketches and diagrams

I also use my iPad to; answer Mail, Browse Web, Organize/Edit Photos, Make iMovies and slideshows, read Books.....the list goes on and on. Please do not say i could do these things with a smartphone. I would never build a 10 slide presentation deck on a phone. I would never write a 10 page report on a phone. I would never write a two page email response on a phone. I would never take meeting notes on a phone. In the past, I needed a traditional computer to do this stuff. Now, I can do them on my iPad and I am really beginning to doubt my need for a traditional computer......not because i never needed a computer.....but, because an iPad offers a legitimate alternative to the things I used to do on a computer.

I bet, for instance, the flyer produced was from a template and/or is simplistic.

People who are professionals like Grahpic Designers, Architects, Project Managers, Business Analysts, Computer Programmers, Stock Traders, etc etc. need a Mac, because:

1. They need screen real estate. The iPad has a relatively small screen and with no multi-monitor support. Studies show increasing monitors up to 4 results in productivity gains of 25% each. Screen real estate is a major short-coming of the tablet form factor.
2. Power. Desktop and even the best MacBook Pro spank the iPad Pro in terms of computing power. This is important for multi-tasking and for software that requires a lot of computing power, particularly programs that want 32 GB of RAM or more to perform optimally.
3. Form-factor. The iPad is a retangular screen that is meant to hold and touch and be used mobily. It’s a terrible LAPtop and an even worse desktop.
4. Multi-touch cannot compete with the speed and precision of a mouse. You’re meaty fingers and requirement to lift your gorilla arms a lot of times are a non-starter: this creates fatigue and multiple inefficiencies. And the stylus cannot compete either because the precison of a mouse is at 1 pixel and the stylus requires much more arm movement.
5. Software. iOS is a blown up smartphone OS. It’s not as good at multi-tasking as OS X and the software applications on it pale in comparison to what’s available on Mac or Windows.

The way you use a computer is consumer based: you appear to not be a professional like a Graphic Designer, or Stock Trader, or Architect, or many other things that require much more of a computing platform than a tablet computer.

You’ve proven my point: you don’t need a Mac for what you’re doing. For those of us who do, we use Macs. We get the precision of a mouse, along with the benefit of multi-touch, in addition to multiple monitor support, raw computing power, and much more complete software.

 

[musicpenguy]

I bet, for instance, the flyer produced was from a template and/or is simplistic.

People who are professionals like Grahpic Designers, Architects, Project Managers, Business Analysts, Computer Programmers, Stock Traders, etc etc. need a Mac, because:

1. They need screen real estate. The iPad has a relatively small screen and with no multi-monitor support. Studies show increasing monitors up to 4 results in productivity gains of 25% each. Screen real estate is a major short-coming of the tablet form factor.
2. Power. Desktop and even the best MacBook Pro spank the iPad Pro in terms of computing power. This is important for multi-tasking and for software that requires a lot of computing power, particularly programs that want 32 GB of RAM or more to perform optimally.
3. Form-factor. The iPad is a retangular screen that is meant to hold and touch and be used mobily. It’s a terrible LAPtop and an even worse desktop.
4. Multi-touch cannot compete with the speed and precision of a mouse. You’re meaty fingers and requirement to lift your gorilla arms a lot of times are a non-starter: this creates fatigue and multiple inefficiencies. And the stylus cannot compete either because the precison of a mouse is at 1 pixel and the stylus requires much more arm movement.
5. Software. iOS is a blown up smartphone OS. It’s not as good at multi-tasking as OS X and the software applications on it pale in comparison to what’s available on Mac or Windows.

The way you use a computer is consumer based: you appear to not be a professional like a Graphic Designer, or Stock Trader, or Architect, or many other things that require much more of a computing platform than a tablet computer.

You’ve proven my point: you don’t need a Mac for what you’re doing. For those of us who do, we use Macs. We get the precision of a mouse, along with the benefit of multi-touch, in addition to multiple monitor support, raw computing power, and much more complete software.

That’s pretty ignorant to say that oh the flyer must of been a template - I create image assets everyday on the iPad in my day job in marketing. Your points are all reasons why you and many other people prefer the Mac, but not everyone. I prefer the software selection on iOS and simply don’t have access to the applications I depend on on the Mac. The Macs we have at work are also much less powerful than my 2nd generation pros and was getting frustrated with trying to get my work done there so moved to iPads. I have plenty of screen space, in my case I use 2 iPads side by side - a 12.9 and a 10.5 and love the flexibility having the screen being my computer brings. I’m able to grab one of them when I have meetings. I’m able to take it off of the stand and work on it like a piece of paper when I do my proofreading work.

The form factor better aligns with what I’m looking for in a computer. I do occasionally remote into a Mac mini to access a few things not yet iOS friendly, but 95 percent of my work is done on the iPad.

Below is my desk setup. Both iPads at eye height on charging stands where I can rest my arm comfortably and access a 2 device keyboard with my other hand below. The Citrix mouse talks to JumpDesktop to access my legacy programs.

I was once a huge Mac advocate and it is still a great tool for certain things, but coming from the Mac I don’t feel restricted by using iPads, but freed because of the apps and way the OS works. It integrates much more natively with online tools like Slack, Trello, and other things our company runs on.

I don’t personally care what tool you use or anyone uses. Use what makes you happy and you are comfortable with, but to say the iPad can’t be used in this capacity is ignorant. Listen to the latest episode of Connected for more thoughts on this

 

[Patriks7]

Maybe I’m spoiled, but I can’t imagine not having a smartphone, laptop and tablet. I use my iPhone for general stuff when I’m out of the house, my MBP is my workhorse at home (or even outside, when necessary) and my iPad is my main travel companion and device I use at home when I don’t need to do any work.

 

[kurosov]

1. They need screen real estate. The iPad has a relatively small screen and with no multi-monitor support. Studies show increasing monitors up to 4 results in productivity gains of 25% each. Screen real estate is a major short-coming of the tablet form factor.

We managed perfectly fine with small screens of much lower resolution in the past. More screen space can be useful but it isn't essential.

In fact when talking design the two main reasons additional screen real estate is useful are solved in different ways on the iPad.

1. Tools & Menus
The tools are more compactly deigned than desktop counterparts and eat up less space. It's easier to drill down into sub menus with a multitouch interface so things can be hidden away.

2. Canvas navigation & full preview.
Canvas navigation is fast and easy on the iPad because of multitouch gestures and the ability to physically move your canvas. You can more easily pull back to a full view and back again and can always connect an external display or even airplay if you want a constant full preview.

2. Power. Desktop and even the best MacBook Pro spank the iPad Pro in terms of computing power. This is important for multi-tasking and for software that requires a lot of computing power, particularly programs that want 32 GB of RAM or more to perform optimally.

This is proving itself to be a non-issue as the iPad pro can handle a lot of jobs perfectly well. Software like pixelmator on Mac have shown just how much a bloated resource hog adobe's tools have been in the past and the professional design and production apps for the iPad show the device has plenty power to spare.

3. Form-factor. The iPad is a retangular screen that is meant to hold and touch and be used mobily. It’s a terrible LAPtop and an even worse desktop.

This is a terrible point.

The iPad's tablet form factor is superior for design and illustration work. A flyer can be designed very effectively on the device.

4. Multi-touch cannot compete with the speed and precision of a mouse. You’re meaty fingers and requirement to lift your gorilla arms a lot of times are a non-starter: this creates fatigue and multiple inefficiencies. And the stylus cannot compete either because the precison of a mouse is at 1 pixel and the stylus requires much more arm movement.

Multi-touch has proven itself a very effective method of controlling the UI in design apps. a pressure sensitive stylus on a display is a far more accurate input method than a mouse for this kind of work and the advantages the iPad brings in the above points makes it more useful than a cintiq set up.

5. Software. iOS is a blown up smartphone OS. It’s not as good at multi-tasking as OS X and the software applications on it pale in comparison to what’s available on Mac or Windows.

While there is always room for improvement the iPad offers a fast, focused environment that allows you to more quickly begin working than a desktop or laptop.

People are already creating visual media and documents on the iPad that are more than mere templates.

 

[booksbooks]

We managed perfectly fine with small screens of much lower resolution in the past. More screen space can be useful but it isn't essential.

In fact when talking design the two main reasons additional screen real estate is useful are solved in different ways on the iPad.

1. Tools & Menus
The tools are more compactly deigned than desktop counterparts and eat up less space. It's easier to drill down into sub menus with a multitouch interface so things can be hidden away.

2. Canvas navigation & full preview.
Canvas navigation is fast and easy on the iPad because of multitouch gestures and the ability to physically move your canvas. You can more easily pull back to a full view and back again and can always connect an external display or even airplay if you want a constant full preview.



This is proving itself to be a non-issue as the iPad pro can handle a lot of jobs perfectly well. Software like pixelmator on Mac have shown just how much a bloated resource hog adobe's tools have been in the past and the professional design and production apps for the iPad show the device has plenty power to spare.



This is a terrible point.

The iPad's tablet form factor is superior for design and illustration work. A flyer can be designed very effectively on the device.



Multi-touch has proven itself a very effective method of controlling the UI in design apps. a pressure sensitive stylus on a display is a far more accurate input method than a mouse for this kind of work and the advantages the iPad brings in the above points makes it more useful than a cintiq set up.



While there is always room for improvement the iPad offers a fast, focused environment that allows you to more quickly begin working than a desktop or laptop.

People are already creating visual media and documents on the iPad that are more than mere templates.

You're arguing that a 12.9" tablet computer is something that can replace laptops and desktops with multi-monitor support. Cool story.

 

[Uplift]

If I didn't need a Mac for coding I could quite easily get away with using the iPad Pro... I love everything about the device but since I spend most of my time coding it doesn't get used much.

 

[GDF]

I am opposite and use iPad for about 95% of what I do.

 

[Mainsail]

I bet, for instance, the flyer produced was from a template and/or is simplistic.

People who are professionals like Grahpic Designers, Architects, Project Managers, Business Analysts, Computer Programmers, Stock Traders, etc etc. need a Mac, because:

1. They need screen real estate. The iPad has a relatively small screen and with no multi-monitor support. Studies show increasing monitors up to 4 results in productivity gains of 25% each. Screen real estate is a major short-coming of the tablet form factor.
2. Power. Desktop and even the best MacBook Pro spank the iPad Pro in terms of computing power. This is important for multi-tasking and for software that requires a lot of computing power, particularly programs that want 32 GB of RAM or more to perform optimally.
3. Form-factor. The iPad is a retangular screen that is meant to hold and touch and be used mobily. It’s a terrible LAPtop and an even worse desktop.
4. Multi-touch cannot compete with the speed and precision of a mouse. You’re meaty fingers and requirement to lift your gorilla arms a lot of times are a non-starter: this creates fatigue and multiple inefficiencies. And the stylus cannot compete either because the precison of a mouse is at 1 pixel and the stylus requires much more arm movement.
5. Software. iOS is a blown up smartphone OS. It’s not as good at multi-tasking as OS X and the software applications on it pale in comparison to what’s available on Mac or Windows.

The way you use a computer is consumer based: you appear to not be a professional like a Graphic Designer, or Stock Trader, or Architect, or many other things that require much more of a computing platform than a tablet computer.

You’ve proven my point: you don’t need a Mac for what you’re doing. For those of us who do, we use Macs. We get the precision of a mouse, along with the benefit of multi-touch, in addition to multiple monitor support, raw computing power, and much more complete software.

It seems like you ar changing your tune. Originally, your position was that anyone that can use an ipad as a main computer never needed a Mac in the first place. But, I listed numerous general computing activities that used to only be possible on a traditional computer, but now can be done easily on an iPad. So, the iPad has replaced the need to buy a traditional computer for many people. You seem to be acknowledging that now. My point is: Why the hyperbole? Why state that everyone that can make the switch didn’t need a computer in the first place, when clearly a few years ago they had no option but to use a regular computer to do the kinds of productivity tasked that I listed. BTW - I would guess that my list of general productivity tasks represent the majority of users; professional, student, and personal.

So, your strategy seems to have changed to saying if you can switch to an iPad, you are not a true professional....whatever the heck that means. There are tons of people in leadership positions that make big bucks and don’t need a device to do the things you listed. Take the blinders off. Don’t pigeon hole everyone into your needs and paradigm.

Now, if you wanted to be credible, you could have said something like: “While there are some people that can make the transition from traditional computer to iPad, it wont work for me and the type of work I do. For example, these are the things that just don’t work for me:........”. Instead, you said anyone that can make the switch never needed a Mac in the first place......which is demonstrably false.....since they never even had an option to use a tablet until the last 5-10 years, so must have needed a Mac (or other computer) beforehand.

BTW - your last paragraph is circular logic. I don’t need a Mac because an iPad can be used as a replacement for the tasks I routinely did on a traditional computer. In the past, I would have needed a Mac to do these things, but now I don’t.

 

[VMMan]

My dream device would be a Mac version of the Microsoft Surface.
An iPad that runs full MacOS would be ideal for me and I’d probably never want to buy an iOS iPad ever again.

iOS on the iPhone is great, but I’d probably even get a kick out of MacOS on an iPhone.

 

[Mainsail]

You're arguing that a 12.9" tablet computer is something that can replace laptops and desktops with multi-monitor support. Cool story.

There you go again. You are shifting your argument from anyone that made the change from computer to iPad, which was a gross generalization, to those individuals with specific use cases, such as multi-monitor support.

 

[booksbooks]

No.

I am saying that if you can use a current iPad and you don’t need a current Mac, you didn’t need a Mac in the first place.

 

[secretk]

We managed perfectly fine with small screens of much lower resolution in the past. More screen space can be useful but it isn't essential.

Sorry to but in in your discussion but just wanted to mention that for some people screen space is essential. Now of course it's not for everyone, but for people that have eye issues (high astigmatism, middle to high myopia) relying on a small screen has negative impact on their health. Another case is older people with presbyopia.

Now yes in the past we have used worse quality screen and because of this I would not be on a computer for more than 1 or 2 hours. Now I work on a computer and I spend at least 15/16 hours on an electronic device. You can bet that considering my issues I need bigger screen, I need good quality screen and I need multi monitors support so that I won't have eye strain.

In fact when talking design the two main reasons additional screen real estate is useful are solved in different ways on the iPad.

2. Canvas navigation & full preview.
Canvas navigation is fast and easy on the iPad because of multitouch gestures and the ability to physically move your canvas. You can more easily pull back to a full view and back again and can always connect an external display or even airplay if you want a constant full preview.

Here I have another rather specific case. First of all I can't even remember those multi gestures on an iPad. Too many and too not intuitive for me. Second of all I have small hands and wrist issues. Doing gestures like that cause pain. With mouse or shortcut I could easily overcome this.

Multi-touch has proven itself a very effective method of controlling the UI in design apps. a pressure sensitive stylus on a display is a far more accurate input method than a mouse for this kind of work and the advantages the iPad brings in the above points makes it more useful than a cintiq set up.

Not for me. If I would use the iPad in such way it will be on a stand. Otherwise I get neck issues. So if it's on stand using a stylus is PITA. I had to do it today because I was playing a game called Swift playground and I had to code some loops and write some functions. I tried to use the Apple pencil as a pointer, so did not work. Every second minute I was wondering about who the hell came up with this interface. So not user friendly. The only reason I continued was that I wanted to solve the puzzle I was doing but I was so frustrated in having to type the code.

 

[Mainsail]

No.

I am saying that if you can use a current iPad and you don’t need a current Mac, you didn’t need a Mac in the first place.

Ummmm......well, ok. So, basically you are saying nothing.

In other words: If an iPad meets your needs, then your needs are met by an iPad. Got it.

 

[kurosov]

Sorry to but in in your discussion but just wanted to mention that for some people screen space is essential. Now of course it's not for everyone, but for people that have eye issues (high astigmatism, middle to high myopia) relying on a small screen has negative impact on their health. Another case is older people with presbyopia.

I'd say the 12.9" iPad is plenty big enough evn in these cases with the ability to easily zoom. Anyone with more severe eye conditions probably isn't working in visual design, An industry involving visual accuracy. Note, The points to start with were in relation to designing a flyer specifically.

Here I have another rather specific case. First of all I can't even remember those multi gestures on an iPad. Too many and too not intuitive for me. Second of all I have small hands and wrist issues. Doing gestures like that cause pain. With mouse or shortcut I could easily overcome this.

These gestures are far easier to remember than the many keyboard combinations required in photoshop, illustrator or indesign, We've just had much longer to learn the shortcuts. Wrist issues once again would be a problem with design even with a wacom tablet on a desktop.

Not for me. If I would use the iPad in such way it will be on a stand. Otherwise I get neck issues. So if it's on stand using a stylus is PITA. I had to do it today because I was playing a game called Swift playground and I had to code some loops and write some functions. I tried to use the Apple pencil as a pointer, so did not work. Every second minute I was wondering about who the hell came up with this interface. So not user friendly. The only reason I continued was that I wanted to solve the puzzle I was doing but I was so frustrated in having to type the code.

You'd be looking down at a cintiq the same way with less freedom to adjust as you please. The pencil is designed for visual media production, it functions fantastically at that role and is far more precise than drawing with a mouse.

It's clear you're complaining about a completely different use case which makes arguing against what i said pointless.

 

[booksbooks]

Yes, that’s what I’m saying. If an iPad meets your needs, then you don’t need a Mac.

For the rest of us, the iPad falls short for a number of reasons discussed and more. So no, an iPad alone will not cut it.

FYI: I know a new 12.9” iPad Pro. I have used it maybe 30 minutes in the since I got it on launch. I will use it a bit more, like Web surfing and reading books; most of my computing is on a MacBook Pro 15” and a 5k LG Ultrafine monitor.
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I'd say the 12.9" iPad is plenty big enough evn in these cases with the ability to easily zoom. Anyone with more severe eye conditions probably isn't working in visual design, An industry involving visual accuracy. Note, The points to start with were in relation to designing a flyer specifically.



These gestures are far easier to remember than the many keyboard combinations required in photoshop, illustrator or indesign, We've just had much longer to learn the shortcuts. Wrist issues once again would be a problem with design even with a wacom tablet on a desktop.



You'd be looking down at a cintiq the same way with less freedom to adjust as you please. The pencil is designed for visual media production, it functions fantastically at that role and is far more precise than drawing with a mouse.

It's clear you're complaining about a completely different use case which makes arguing against what i said pointless.

Kurosov:

You keep arguing with yourself. There is no argument. An iPad does not replace orders of magintude more computing power and much larger displays. Anybody who is a serious professional as I’ve discussed would never use the iPad as a main computer. If they did they’d be at a disadvantage to the point of going broke in their profession. Too much panning, zooming, pinching, gorilla arm, etc. It’s terribly inefficient and makes no sense for several professions on its own.

For those people where the iPad can serve as a main machine then great. But it’s not the case for everyone. I am one of those people.

Right now, let’s get outside of work and look at leisure. I writing this on my iPhone X laying on the couch. My MacBook Pro is close by. My iPad: sucks to hold in my hands and type at the same time. Is also not lappable, so is a stillborn product when it comes to laying down and typing.

At work, I use it for note taking, some Email and browsing, but my main computing platform is two large monitors and a MacBook Pro.

On one of my big screens is a 25 column spreadsheet with VLOOKUP and Pivot tables along with Macros. This latter sucks on an iPad because of how much data there is and how much panning and zooming there is, and isn’t even fully supported.