Seriously? Companies and profits like developers and other big companies all not wanting to pay their fair share of Apple user base? It was good for them to agree to the terms when they signed up to the App Store. Where is the investigations into breaking of TOS?
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App Store to Be 'Split in Two' Ahead of EU iPhone Sideloading Deadline
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A mobile device is a lot more personal and contains a lot more personal data than a computer. The EU is just pandering to corporations. I am sure it will later come out how much they were paid by companies to get this done.
How about some personal accountability? So many people cede control based on not having the sense to not be a dumb ass and install dodgy software that has viruses etc in it. Bring it on, will be good to see darwinism at work for thicko users.
Oh I will. But thanks for telling me what I will do lol.
If people are going back to flip phones I can easily go back to a windows phone as well.
I don’t want an android related/similar phone.
If you want to side load get an android and leave iOS as is.
Like theft, doesn’t make it right since vendors usually punish paying customers.
Why would sideloading impact updates of apps from the oficial store, or di yo mean apps theat disapear from the EU app store due to the devs in question not bothering to possibly do a few things to make shore ther apps remain available in the EU? And why would a customer that does not chose to use sideloading have their warranty affected by this change? IANAL but iot strikes me as odd that sideloading will completely void the warranty even the parts realtered to hw (ok with the possible exception of sideloading cryptocoin miners that overheat the soc or born out the battery) what am I missing here?
As long as Mcdonalds are allowed to sell "big whoppers" or whatever burger king calls their best selling burgers I'm all for it, but since burgers are not digital goods and thus not covered by the DMA I'm not sure how this is relevant here. I also suspect that Bigmac is in fact trademarked so there's another roadblock but oh well
Still covered by NATOs article 5 so... yea unless Trump gets elected (let's hope he gets barred from standing so we don't spend any more energy worrying about that particular threat to what little sanity remains in international politics)
Apparently that’s how it works for US troops when they’re in another country. They can ignore local laws
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So I’m not affiliated with Apple, but the last android I had in my hands was so filled with malware and bloatware that it will block the entire screen with an advertisement whenever someone called it. I don’t know how my grandfather managed to get it to that state. But I know it took me 3 h to clean it so he could receive phone calls again.
This is what I fear will happen with my kids very creative use of their iPhones if it’s opened completely. I really hope there will be some kind of parental control of what App Store they can access.
Well to take your playground analogy a bit further; Apple buildt a lot of playgrounds (with very strict rules of entry and usage in a multiple cetes where space is at an extreme premium thus trying to crowd out other playground providers. Now politicians tell Apple that some rules need to change or they can't have the playgrounds any more. In fact Apple (as things are now) regulate from what producer the kids are allowed to bring snacks/toys to the playgrounds (Ie only producers that pays apple a fee) would this ever be allowed in any other arena than mobile (I'm not talking about bringing alcoholic beverages to a stadium or similar - well these are kids and are not allowed alcohol but anyway-- then we get into liqure licensing laws, and I would rather not bring that into this debate.
You should look into Apple Configurator software. It's a very powerful tool to put various restrictions on iPhones and iPads. It's a bit overwhelming to deal with, unfortunately. But there are good tutorials out there to learn how it works.
Apple could add it in an iOS update that allows EU phones to sideload but then bars them from non-EU App stores.
Not quite. They are still subject to them although Status of Forces agreements may change how they are proecuted or applied; for example local duty free sales in exchanges.
To stay on topic, Apple will have to comply with local laws as it is not a government that negotiates agreements with others; it could however work out a deal with the EU on how it complies. I suspect there will be some back and forth; for example if Apple were to update iOS to have an EU specific version that allows sideloading but can be used to block access to non-EU Apple App Stores, would the EU care? If the identifier was identifiable to any developer or website would that have privacy implications? Would the EU expect Apple to allow non-EU specific iPhones to be updated to allow sideloading if bought by an EU citizen/resident and imported into the EU?
You could have a situation were EU specific iPhones are more expensive, allowing Apple to recover lost revenue from the EU's App Store rules, making grey market iPhones more attractive but unable to sideload in the EU. Not saying Apple would do that, but it will be interesting to see how they react to mandatory sideloading.
😂 Not fake news. And not even nearly the same as government. At all.Fake news. We certainly have EU elections and it's just the same as government:
European elections: all you need to know
Find out what the European elections are, how to vote and why it matters. Check out previous results and discover what happens after the elections.elections.europa.eu
Did you vote to be in the EU? No, no one did.
Did you vote for Ursula von der Leyen or Jean-Claude Juncker? No, no one did.
Nice try.
All EU members democrated governments to either join, or keep the status quo of remaining in the EU.
As the UK has proven, you can leave whenever you want. You have to deal with the consequences of not being part of the main trade + political bloc in your neighbourhood, but you don't have to be a member.
Even the US doesn't allow states to leave, they fought a war which stopped unilateral succession.
The UK voted to leave. It never voted to join. Did any country vote to join?
And sure the US doesn't allow states to leave. Because the United States isn't the thing same as the EU, or Europe.
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The concept of TOSs are not legally settled, and in some countries, they are unenforceable. They might not even be a binding agreement in the US.
Personally, I consider one-sided TOSs, where the end-user can't negotiate and the company can change it at-will, as worthless as used toilet paper.
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Froms someone who has lived on both sides of the fence extensively, here are some home truths:
Android devices can sideload but very few people do. Even with their app portal loaded on every device they sell, Samsung users still prefer the Play Store. Its only the hardcore ROM-flashing community that really sideload and even then its to get ports of rival OEM apps or to clean their device of bloatware. All these adware/bloatware apps people are managing on other people's Android phones are straight from the Play Store.
Apple on the other hand don't have any of these problems. There is no 'rival iPhone' and they are on of, if not the most trusted brand in the world. The EU can open up the iOS infrastructure (because billions of users is an infrastructure) but will anybody bother? The real reason some people want sideloading is a return to the Cydia days of tweaks to iOS and to use emulators. Tweaks to iOS would be most welcome as it would allow us to get around some of Apple's bizarre design decisions such as spare apps on springboard still floating to the top of the screen.
Android devices can sideload but very few people do. Even with their app portal loaded on every device they sell, Samsung users still prefer the Play Store. Its only the hardcore ROM-flashing community that really sideload and even then its to get ports of rival OEM apps or to clean their device of bloatware. All these adware/bloatware apps people are managing on other people's Android phones are straight from the Play Store.
Apple on the other hand don't have any of these problems. There is no 'rival iPhone' and they are on of, if not the most trusted brand in the world. The EU can open up the iOS infrastructure (because billions of users is an infrastructure) but will anybody bother? The real reason some people want sideloading is a return to the Cydia days of tweaks to iOS and to use emulators. Tweaks to iOS would be most welcome as it would allow us to get around some of Apple's bizarre design decisions such as spare apps on springboard still floating to the top of the screen.
Now you are just making things up.
Many coutries had referendums before joining. Not all of them, but many.
Yes. Denmark voted. And Poland. Look it up yourself. I’m pretty sure there’s more. It depends on the constitution within that country I assume.
And countries that didn’t vote directly can opt out indirectly. They just have to elect a government that wants to leave.
And in some case piracy. Sideloading can allow a return to the jailbreak days of loading the ipa to a jailbroken device. How much and how that impacts developers and their busienss maodel remains to be seen.
Sounds like fun for EU. Developers will pull their apps from the official app store and there will be no more quality control at all.
Also Apple Pay won't be supported as good anymore and will have to manually sign-up on each website and give your credit card details to each of those websites.
Also Apple Pay won't be supported as good anymore and will have to manually sign-up on each website and give your credit card details to each of those websites.