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Also Apple Pay won't be supported as good anymore and will have to manually sign-up on each website and give your credit card details to each of those websites.
Apple Pay on websites never took off in Europe. I see it very rarely supported in shops. I think I have used it once to buy a software license for an app for macOS, since Apple Pay became available in my country. So would not be a great loss, even if it happened.

Sounds like fun for EU. Developers will pull their apps from the official app store and there will be no more quality control at all.
We will see how this works. Maybe Apple will just have to make the App Store more attractive. You know, how it works when there is competition.
 
The Mac actually does suffer from sideloading right now. Only apps on the Mac App Store have to be sandboxed, sideloaded apps like Spotify and Discord can happily upload my SSH private keys to wherever they want.

I wish both platforms would meet in the middle: Allow sideloading on iOS, enforce sandboxing on macOS. Only allow full access to apps when you open them via a right-click (same as unsigned apps).

MacOS is a much smaller OS than iOS, I'm not even sure why people keep brining MacOS up.

MacOS is one of the least popular OS in the world.
 
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You've never needed an App Store on your computer to ensure your security or privacy.

And if you want to install apps exclusively through the App Store, nothing prevents you from doing that, does it?

It's just more choice for you, the user. You don't have to change anything if you don't want to.

How exactly is that a bad thing for you?

And by the way, Apple has done an extremely bad job at preventing malicious and fake apps in the past.

How are so many people that love to go on about the importance of freedom so hell-bent on defending the corset Apple forces them into?

I guess too many people drank the Apple Kool-Aid.
In the message you were responding to, the concern that many apps may just choose to forgo the App Store entirely was raised. I think this is valid, as we see that already in the Mac world. Rather than more choice that means people will have no choice but to compromise their security if they want to use certain apps. I'm sure the biggest ones (Facebook, Fortnight, etc.) are going to be the first to jump ship.
 
Know what’s really u fair and hurts consumers? Can't install Android on an iPhone! What kind of BS is this? The EU should sue Apple and force them to allow installation of any OS on an iPhone. It’s exclusionary! It’s a monopoly!
 
Know what’s really u fair and hurts consumers? Can't install Android on an iPhone! What kind of BS is this? The EU should sue Apple and force them to allow installation of any OS on an iPhone. It’s exclusionary! It’s a monopoly!
I can (partly) get behind this proposal. Once Apple stops supporting a device, I think they should be forced for it to be rooted.
 
Do you also love apple telling you what you can and cannot buy?
When a consumer buys a device knowing full well what it's limitations are prior to the purchase, how is that Apples fault?

Don't buy an oven to cool beer. Don't buy a Windows PC to run FCP or Logic. Don't buy an iPhone to run emulators.

Money has got to come from somewhere, and anyone who thinks that the majority of apps or IAP's are going to cost 30% less is kidding themselves. I reckon there's going to be many loopholes to jump through to use external apps, an increase in developer account fee's in the EU or Apple will take an API based cut.

Personally I hope that Apple take a stance that either you are all-in or all-out with regards to the App store.
 
Please Apple for EU:
separate app store, no update, no support, limited warranty!
Any sideload - warranty voided!
Chrome has been detected on your Mac! You didn't get that off the Mac App Store! Your warranty is void! Apple is sending a kill code to your Mac now.


Honestly, the best thing about Apple, historically, was that they'd make a best effort to get your Mac running again even if it was classified as obsolete. In 2016 my 2007 iMac died during a macOS update, and the Genius Bar still spent several hours helping me try to bring it back to life (ultimately we failed, but the fact they knew so much and put so much effort into helping me - totally free of charge - was very endearing. That kind of thing produces a ton of goodwill and loyalty towards your brand. I can't imagine the Apple of today bothering with any of this at all.)
 
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And in some case piracy. Sideloading can allow a return to the jailbreak days of loading the ipa to a jailbroken device. How much and how that impacts developers and their busienss maodel remains to be seen.
Lets put it this way: iOS remains the preserve of premium mobile games and apps in spite of the early days of Cydia. Remember it was the hackers that forced Apple to even launch the app store in the first place.
 
Apple is telling you what apps you can install or not.
Why are people so afraid of allowing users to decide what to install on their devices?
Nobody is forcing them to go outside the App Store if it makes them feel better to stay in their walled garden.
I would argue Apple can also tell you not to buy a Samsung Phone by hamstringing how compatible Android is with the ecosystem. If all your data is in iCloud then Apple is effectively forcing your hand. I'm not saying Apple shoud launch all their base apps on Android (which they should do and charge a sub for the priv) but being able to access basic data like my notes and contacts should be a legal requirement.
 
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Lets put it this way: iOS remains the preserve of premium mobile games and apps in spite of the early days of Cydia. Remember it was the hackers that forced Apple to even launch the app store in the first place.
True, but Cydia required jailbreaking which was beyond teh ability or awareness of many usres. Sideloading won't be, so I think it will be interesting to see if it impacts piracy.
 
I would argue Apple can also tell you not to buy a Samsung Phone by hamstringing how compatible Android is with the ecosystem. If all your data is in iCloud then Apple is effectively forcing your hand. I'm not saying Apple shoud launch all their base apps on Android (which they should do and charge a sub for the priv)

For which people would scream how unfair a sub is...

but being able to access basic data like my notes and contacts should be a legal requirement.

You can already do that with third party cross platform apps.
 
True, but Cydia required jailbreaking which was beyond teh ability or awareness of many usres. Sideloading won't be, so I think it will be interesting to see if it impacts piracy.
I imagine Apple will make it a little more abrasive than they are otherwise known for. They could for example make it so that you can only open up an iPhone for sideloading at an Apple Store or add in limitations to devices that have been jailbroken, eg no more Apple Pay. This is an Apple Service which they would be within their rights to remove access to. Apple like to make it as difficult as possible to leave the ecosystem on the hardware side so why should software be any different?
 
When this eventually leads to alternate stores the likes of Epic, Steam, Amazon, Microsoft, Meta will open their own and begin to pull their apps off the Apple store and pay other devs for exclusive distribution rights via those alt stores. Simple concept really. No one has done it yet because they would have only had the Android side. Once they can offer a store for "all" mobile apps they will.

So please stop saying the Apple App store will remain as it, it won't.
Sounds like they will need to compete for once instead of providing a subpar service as you describe it.

The Mac AppStore is still in the gutter with soon two decades of neglect and steam still being dominant.

P.s someone already tried it for half a decade know as Epic on

windows/mac/linux. But alas steam is still dominating on every platform because they still provide the best store and best services
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I imagine Apple will make it a little more abrasive than they are otherwise known for. They could for example make it so that you can only open up an iPhone for sideloading at an Apple Store or add in limitations to devices that have been jailbroken, eg no more Apple Pay. This is an Apple Service which they would be within their rights to remove access to. Apple like to make it as difficult as possible to leave the ecosystem on the hardware side so why should software be any different?
and the EU will fine them for doing that
 
Let me fix that for you...

EU: It’s unfair that you can only buy Krispy Kreme doughnuts at McDonald's. McDonald’s must allow it to be sold by Burger King, Taco Bell, or even by Krispy Kreme themselves through their own store.


McDonald's = Apple
Krispy Kreme doughnuts = product (app) created by someone other than McDonald's (Apple)
This is more correct but to what end? The app isn't going to be better or cheaper. So what's the point of buying it through a different store? And before you say competition, with whom? It's the same product in a different store at the same price.
 
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