Lack of reading is a huge issue. People like talking about things they don't know about without educating themselves.
Apple does not offer iCloud API access to the storage to create a 3rd party client. Next question?
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That icloud is running on googles cloud infrastructure is great. The two companies have a cooperative and competitive relationship. I'm sure there's a part of Apple's services that run on AWS as well. As for the 5gb in 2024, use it, don't use it or buy more. Your choice.
The government can regulate anything it wants, as in the EU. But there is a cost to pay for straying out of their lane and that's called incompetence.
All major companies get fines of one sort of another. The fact the tech giants gets fined is a cost of business. However, you can do what want if a company doesn't produce a product that you want to use. Adapt or move on. We'll see what happens in the US going forward, everything is up in the air and I hear Elon and Timmy are buddies.
So do it. Write your government official or file a class action lawsuit.
Elon would disagree you about Telsa being a computer platform.
iphone, Huawei, Oppo, Samsung and more. Already counted four.
There is no duopoly, except here at Macrumors. And duopolys aren't necessary illegal.
No they don't, at least not me.
This is not the first time I've seen this. People usually quote this when countering claims of privacy from Apple. However, with Apple I am not the product. And a lot of that information goes into making the Apple experience Apple.
Hence vote with your $$$, sends a strong message.
I have it turned off, is the only thing that's changed.
Yes, because now things are scattered across multiple app stores. App stores that may not be trustworthy. It's going to take a little for the criminal element to move into high gear.
You can also buy a phone that works exactly the way you want.
Question, if you have a phone, let's say Pixel can you back your photos, medical history, fitness history, everything mentioned above to any old back solution whether it be physical or AWS or google or onedrive? And if so, how.
There is nothing personal here, I don't want an iphone to be the hot mess (imo) that android is. And outside of the EU I hope that doesn't happen. I hope this lawsuit falls flat.
I do think Apple tries to produce the best product it can for it's customers. And yes I do think Apple has our best interests at heart although MacRumors are a cynical bunch and they may feel otherwise.
The problem with many of these posts, is they want an iphone to be android and it is not, and it shouldn't be.
I'd be fine if apple didn't allow icon placement in ios 18. That is a tiny piece of the overall Apple experience.
The above is false. Multiple app stores alter the way I use my iphone big time. Opening up the NFC, if some of these predictions are true will result in loss of Apple by certain banks or replacement by apps.
Apple should keep doing what it is doing, even if some Macrumors posters don't like it.
I don't see anyone campaigning for less choice, but simply for the item they chose to continue to work same way it worked when they specifically chose it. It is never fun when someone else messes with a choice with which you are happy.
Perhaps the silly people are the ones that for some strange reason bought a device despite it not working like the competition, and then trying to force it to work like the device they didn't choose. Somehow thinking that "I bought Apple because I want to use Google" is not the silly argument seems strange. It is like there was already a choice made, and now they want another choice.
I don’t walk into a Japanese restaurant and then complain that it doesn’t serve French cuisine.
If you want to be able to use google drive to back up your device, Android devices are a dime a dozen (and even then, my understanding is that cloud backups on Android was supported only some time ago).
Maybe Apple should just disable cloud backups and go back to using iTunes. It’s the same ram argument all over again. People don’t want to pay $1 a month, and suddenly make it sound like Apple is being greedy again when their rates for cloud storage is actually pretty competitive (Not least because they don’t make me pay for a ton of storage I don’t end up using). I wish Dropbox and OneDrive had a similar striped down option.
I use it since it is literally the only option for cloud backup of messages, I also want Apple to be forced to allow other cloud services for backup. It's a matter of time.
Thats nonsense. Incompetence is thinking you can get away with restricting how consumers should be able to use their devices to gain economic advantages. As Apple is finding out, they can't.
The US has very little consumer rights compared to the EU. Corporations have for the most part lobbied the government and gotten away with doing things that are anti-consumer. See telecoms adding data caps to the internet services.
I do. Its been wonderful the past couple of years seeing Apple being forced to open up iOS.
Elon can disagree all he wants. You don't get into your Tesla and run Microsoft word.
iOS and Android. Use your head.
Duopolies are not illegal, but collusion between the two companies is illegal. Using control of your platform to restrict 3rd party services for your own benefit is illegal. Microsoft, Google and Apple have been fined for that.
You don't use Apple watch to track your health, you don't bank on your phone, store emails, text messages, make phone calls, back up your photos?
You are the product. Its right there in their privacy notice. And google says a lot of that information goes to making the Google experience Google.
I do. I also vote as well to put in politicians who would side with people instead of corporations.
Good, So, it has not affected your user experience. I have it turned on and it has definitely made messages people on Android better. That is how options works.
That's nonsense. Nothing is scattered anywhere.
I want my iOS to work the way i want it not how Apple wants it. This year has been Apple adding options because they are being forced to and that has been great.
Swift Backup.
The good thing about options is you can ignore the options and just rely on what the platform holder provides.
iOS has options already. You literally have options on backing up contacts, calendar, photos, documents. There is nothing messy about providing options, you can easily ignore those options same way you ignore RCS.
No corporation has your best interest at heart. Their interest is profits. You are a means to that goal.
I want an iPhone to be an iPhone with options.
You would be fine with whatever Apple provides you that much is clear. If they reduce the amount of RAM to 4GB you would be fine with that.
How many banks have been lost on Android? NFC is open and alternate stores are a thing on Android.
They definitely should keep doing what they are doing by opening up the platform more. More customization, RCS, Alt Appstore, open NFC, changing default applications, USB C. I love it, but it can be better. Despite you wanting things to remain as it was on iOS2.
Its not that I can't shop around. Its the difficulty in doing so that is the problem. There should be some sort of industry-mandated solution for moving ALL of your data from one cloud provider to another at the click of a button. Anything less is a form of lock-in regardless of whether or not its Apple, Dropbox, Microsoft, Google, Mega or some other cloud provider.
it is abundantly clear that many people posting on MacRumors 1) do not realize they don’t own iOS, but license it and 2) would be much better served with Android.
Please stop trying to force Apple to waste their engineers’ time and steal their intellectual property so you can avoid admitting that you should just buy a Pixel or Galaxy. Those phones have all the options you want.
Please stop trying to force Apple to waste their engineers’ time and steal their intellectual property so you can avoid admitting that you should just buy a Pixel or Galaxy. Those phones have all the options you want.
How about if Apple removed icloud as a backup solution and was told customers need to do their own? Same as windows. That would meet your criteria of no-lock in and then there could be a market for non-standard backup solutions.
How is that so? can you elaborate? math is an exact science, 5≠10.
I doubt it. Apple could drop icloud as a backup solution and let third parties fill in, like your swift backup below. This way there can be multiple incompatible backup solutions instead of one cohesive backup solution. Multiple incompatible solutions are better than one well thought out solution.
See the US elections if you think it's nonsense.
I've been saying this for years the breakup of AT&T in the eighties only pushed the can down the road and didn't really resolve the issue of a monopoly. Now we have a legitmate triopoly that is locked in by the government, because one can't get bandwidth except through billions of dollars in upfront costs. US cell service is mediocre and getting worse. With regard to consumer rights the EU is regulating itself into oblivion.
Less innovation will be pushed to the EU. Where apple can't make money from the fruits of it's labor, it won't push new functions to the EU.
You can disagree with what Elon says. No matter to me.
How many different manufacturers of cell phones are there? Does each use the exact same code base. It's like saying there is one version of Linux.
The fact that any large company got a fine in the past is not surprising. Every fortune 500 company has had something. Exactly what are the three companies you mentioned colluding about in 2024.
No, no, no, yes, yes. I use icloud. It's an integrated solution that all you need to do is enable it.
Complete ********.
Your interpretation is different than mine.
When you get something for free your are the product.
Sounds like we vote differently. I vote in politicians who will make my life better and if that means people shouldn't be doing something they are doing, so be it.
Perfect.
That's nonsense. One can turn a blind eye towards the decentralization but it doesn't mean it's a thing.
Then buy a phone that gives you what your want. Yes, apple was forced, but the EU will now be slower to get functionality as apple will be ensuring the pieces that have to be open are specifically crafted. Welcome to the new world order.
So it seems to me you want android as you can customize everything. How one can trust a third party backup - with their most vital of documents. I don't know.Swift Backup.
Maybe one day you will get your wish. Until then it is what it is.
Again, these options don't exist but that doesn't mean backup to other than apple servers is not achievable.
Companies that don't have their customers best interests at heart end up like Enron.
Apple may not view your demographic as a customer.
Not only me, but the legions of Apple fans who buy their products to give them the insane quarterly revenue. But yeah, you can't tell people how to spend their money.
We'll see what happens. You know it will be discussed here at MacRumors.
Before the EU is reduced to no new features ever and only phones running android become a viable solution. We will see what happens, the EU is in a precarious place.
It's a joke born from when Apple said 8GB on Mac is equivalent to 16GB on other OSes. .
It IS quite brilliant. You get 8 which is like 16 and pay for 32. Works as twice paid twice. Contrary to what Apple states, they are square
Apple will not drop it but it's a matter of time before they force them to allow 3rd party cloud services. Backing up to on a 3rd party cloud service is not going to create incompatibility. All you're replacing is the cloud storage provider.
Good thing the US does not represent the world. Same way the EU, China and other governments have forced Apple to open up.
There is actually competition in the telecom space. While there are the major 3, there are smaller MVNO competing with better prices.
In the EU tech companies are required by law to provide minimum 2 years of warranty. The EU has right to repair laws, the EU forced the ability to return digital purchases, the EU has extensive consumer privacy laws. Such an oblivion.
The EU innovations are what Apple relies on to make the iPhone. Look at lots of the tech purchases Apple has made over the last few years, they were all created in the EU.
No I'm stating the facts. That's like saying my fridge is a computing platform because it has a screen and an OS. The fact is consumers do not rely on those platforms to function in real life.
There are only 2 functional mobile operating systems. It's not rocket science.
What should that tell you? They will screw consumers over if they are well regulated. Profit first consequences later.
So part of of your digital life resides on Apple servers.
You are the product, doesn't matter how much you are in denial.
I'm not interpreting anything. The words are in plain English. They tell you the data they collect on you and what they are used for. This very website you are on collects data on you.
When you pay for something, you are also the product. All modern computing platforms sends telemetry data back to the manufacturers and Apple is the own and operator of one of the largest computing platform on the planet.
Yea freedom through oppression and restrictions. I'm sure that makes sense in an alternate universe or in a dictatorship.
Yes more options are perfect.
It's not hard to understand. You can use the platform as intended by Apple but I have the option to customize things to my liking. I use Google photos to backup my photos, contacts and calendar not iCloud. I use One Drive to backup documents not iCloud, I want to use other cloud providers to backup my text. You are welcome to stay in the Apple walled garden but that shouldn't prevent me from using other cloud platforms if I want.
Or I can buy whatever device I want and demand the device work in the way I want. So far I'm getting all I want. I wanted iPhones to have USB C, RCS, alternate app stores, change default apps, UI customization. It's fantastic and I get same functionality as everyone else. I use both Android and iOS as I see no need to limit myself to one platform.
I want iOS that I use to have less restrictions. I can trust a 3rd party backup the same way I trust Apple backup.
I am getting my wish. It's only a matter of time.
These options exist on iOS.
Enron went under because they were using fraudulent accounting to hide company debts and inflating revenue. Apple does not care about customers, they lie about products defects every year and they get sued to fix it. Almost every year I get a check from Apple from failure of fixing a product defect via class action lawsuit. That's not a company that cares about it's users. They care as much as they can make money off you.
Everyone that gives Apple money is a customer, WTF are you talking about. I have a MacBook, iPhone, Apple watch, but I also have windows PC, Android Phones etc.
That's nothing to be proud of. Being a stan of a tech company is one of the silliest thing people do. I use their product because they make some good products and I expect something that works in return. I don't care about their profits.
Just like RCS, USB C, Alt app store etc. I've been saying these things will come to iOS for a long time and here we are now. It's only a matter of time.
The EU has all of the features. The EU has better features that you don't have.
It is better for the vast, vast majority of Apple’s customers to not have their private data sitting on some random cloud provider’s servers. So Apple should not spend engineering resources to enable this when customers who care can buy an Android phone.
And there are constantly complaints on MacRumors from EU customers that Apple’s prices are higher in the EU than they are in the States. So with those benefits there is a cost. You may think the cost is worth it, but others may not. I don’t want increased costs for features I’m never going to use, like third party backups, alternate app stores, and right to repair. Why should the vast majority of Apple’s users subsidize a bunch of tech nerds who post on MacRumors when those people could just by an Android?
Or maybe said companies know they can’t make it big due to the EU’s stifling regulations so they cash out and join the big leagues.
My Tesla runs apps. There is a YouTube app, Netflix app, Disney app, Apple Music app. Why can’t I replace Tesla’s security system with Arlo or Logitech? I can pay for a software update to make my car accelerate faster. Why can’t someone else offer that? Why can’t I install an alternate App Store on my Tesla? Why can’t I play Xbox games on my PS5?
And one of them does everything you complain the other one doesn’t. So pick the one that does and allow competition in the market.
And there is a difference in “making our products better for consumers” and gathering your data to sell ads to you. Pretending otherwise is extremely disingenuous.
I want McDonalds French fries with my Whopper. You are welcome to stay in Burger King’s walled garden but I deserve to be able to buy McDonalds fries at Burger King. How dare they not offer a competitor’s product.
I demand my PS5 play Xbox games. REGULATORS DO SOMETHING.
You don’t own iOS, you don’t get to decide. And again, the vast majority of Apple’s users, they shouldn’t be trusting a third party backup, so why should Apple spend money to enable something that is worse for the vast majority of its customers? Because you know better?
No, they don’t. And the EU regulations made iOS worse for every single Apple customer, as Apple is spending significant time, money and engineering resources dealing with crap only tech nerds care about (allowing users to pirate games on emulators, alternate app stores, etc.) that would have been better spent fixing bugs and making new features that delight customers. Not to mention the security holes that may have been introduced and the tech debt that maintaining an alternate code base introduces.
Instead - they’re told “that feature is illegal unless you let your competitors copy it and undercut you on price” by a bunch of regulators who don’t know what they’re doing. See: GDPR, Crowdstrike, the desire for encryption backdoors, etc.
Why on earth you want a bunch of people who can’t design a regulation that does what is intended WHEN THAT’S THEIR JOB designing how iOS works I will never understand.
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The MVNOs are not independent. They lease bandwidth from the big 3. That's not competition because they don't have their own infrastructure. We have vastly different ideas of competition.
Never said EU was dead, said it was headed in that direction.
What? Thats quite disingenuous to make a comment on how people want to spend their money. If a product doesn't meet your needs find one that does. You should care about profits, you want the company you buy your products from to last. Right Blackberry?
The bottom line, if you want an open operating system, it already exists today. Go buy into it. I'm happy we don't have to wade into the abyss of multiple app stores.
That was kind of funny, in a very friendly way.
I have been using Linux for many years and it was my sole platform for more than a decade. Have used a good many distributions like SuSE before and early days of Novell, Ughbuntu and Arch + a few derivates.
Never thought of using multiple sources for apps and what not as a brilliant idea. Arch got their own external repo/source "Aur" and it comes with a strict warning about the risk, and even though I could use a couple of apps from Aur, I don`t install it. The exemption as far as applications goes is downloading the source files straight from the source and compile it myself.
Thus, even though I have a preference for open source and all that, don`t really want to install stuff built by anyone but the distro or the vendor. I don`t really want more Google than I have to, I don`t really want more MS than I have to, and on Android before switching to iPhone, I didn`t really want to add another appshop.
Whatever platform, I prefer to stick to that platform as much as possible, I don`t use Setapp on Mac either. In principle choice is a good thing. But it has to make sense and be good choices.
Here is a novel idea, don't use 3rd party cloud servers, whatever that means since your Apple cloud data is on Google storage servers. How about a multitrillion dollar corporation who has thousands of engineers can work on multiple things at the same time. They have the capacity to work on iOS, MacOS, WatchOS, VisionOS, release several hardware each year but the capability to backup is a touch too far for them to handle. Common sense is lost on a lot of people.
All tech products are more expensive in the EU vs US. EU price includes VAT, whereas in the US it varies by state. Interestingly enough in a lot of cases it is cheaper in the EU than US. Again no one is asking you to use 3rd party backup, alternative app store and none of those things make the iPhone more expensive to make. You are not subsidizing anything the operating profit margin for apple has stayed consistently above %30 for years.
Nonsense. Apple can't innovate so they buy companies that are innovating.
You Tesla infotainment system has a select infotainment apps does not a computing platform make. You car did not gain the ability to accelerate faster, it was always capable of that just software locked. That is not a new thing, ICE cars for decades can be tuned via software to run faster and better.
I can pick both and demand the other do better. It's not one or the other, I want both to function the way I want to use it.
There is no difference. They both use your data to advertise to you.
Another inane retort. Mcdonalds is a fast-food restaurant of which there are thousands of. There are only 2 mobile computing platforms.
No one is demanding iPhone to run Android apps, are they? See how idiotic that comparison is?
I don't own iOS, I own the hardware it runs on and I'm paying apple for the license to run iOS. As a customer I can demand they add more and better features and so far in the past few years i have gotten tons of new features like RCS, USB C, alt app store, UI customization, change of default applications. You are free to not use any of those.
They are a multitrillion dollar corporation that make 20+ billion dollars in profit each quarter and have thousands of employees across the world. They are not your friends. They'll be fine opening up their OS by allowing 3rd party cloud backup. The feature is there already they just need to allow 3rd party usage.
Just because you have lost faith in your politicians and in favor of corporations effing you over doesn't mean i am.
That is literally how competition works. They both use the same infrastructure but have their own separate service and pricing. Your iPhone is an example of that, it's the same hardware but you can use different cell phone services.
What you are describing it tantamount to asking each cellphone carrier to build out a separate network. Another good thing about the EU is you can roam anywhere without incurring extra charge because there are laws the prevents carriers from charging you extra. Also, all phones are required by law to be unlocked on all carriers. Consumer rights are fantastic in the EU.
There is a worldwide recession and political turmoil across the whole planet. Consumer rights laws are the least of our problems.
No, it is simply how I operate. I buy the products that works for the things I need and demand it gets better. I don't subscribe to the idea that companies should put profit over people. I don't care about Apple making an extra 1 billion when they already make over $160 billion in profit each year.
Bottom of the line is I use everything that works for me, and I demand that the ones lacking should get better. I'm glad you're happy? Stay happy, I'm also happy with my purchase but it doesn't mean it shouldn't get better. If we go by your reasoning, we will be stuck on 4GB of RAM simply because Apple says you don't need it.
Once again
Best of luck.
I’m not going to bother responding to your point by point because if you honestly believe there is no difference in the way Apple uses the data it collects on you and your devices and the way Google collects data on you and your devices we are living in different realities and there is no reason to continue the discussion.
Best of luck.
So I can go into the Photos app and have it sync to Google storage instead of iCloud? That sounds great. I could then stop paying a stupid amount for iCloud!You can set it to Google Photos, happens fully automatic
You go into the Google apps
Anyone can make an app to do that, you give the app the rights, and voila there it goes. And then in the iCloud settings deselect iCloud if you really don't want them to go there.A word of warning though, Google Photos doesn't support ProRaw (it only uses the embedded jpeg iirc), i've never test live photos, and naturally it won't support subsequent edits made in the Photos app, you then need to keep using the Google Photos editing features. And I doubt it will automatically offload photos when your device is full, never tested that so perhaps it does.
One of the more incorrect opinions on the internet. There is a reason that companies purchase other companies.
The entire Tesla ecosystem is a compute platform.
Actually a software update made power usage to the motors more efficient.
And void the manufacturers warranty.
To paraphrase Forrest Gump: inane is as inane does.
There are indeed many reasons, one is because they can't innovate in the space, so they buy an already established software or tech stack. And another is to kill competition.
Every product has some type of edge compute it does not make it a consumer facing compute platform. Your toaster has a processor in it too.
Actually, no it didn't. They simply raised the power limit by 7 - 8%. If you don't know what you are talking about research it first. Your car was always capable of that, it was software locked by Tesla. The update did not make power usage more efficient.
That's also illegal, tuning your engine does not in fact void your warranty. It only voids your warranty if the manufacturer can prove you damaged your engine by tuning it yourself. Consumer rights is fantastic.
You have proven once again you don't know what you're talking about. It's a good idea to actually learn the rights you have as a consumer.
There’s are other more logical reasons except the misinformed opinion above.
What are you babbling on about? This has nothing to do with my original comment.
Tuning is a very broad word from replacing the air filter to a new turbocharger to a new ecu to illegal mods to the exhaust system. One makes unauthorized modifications to the engine and you could void your warranty.
I see pot kettle thing here.
To have some on topic discussion, I hope this lawsuit falls the way of the dodo. Filing a lawsuit is easy, winning is more difficult.
Having more choice, means you can continue using iCloud if you wish, having google/dropbox/onedrive etc doesn't remove that. so that arguement makes no sense whatsoever