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Clever, but the only thing this does "automatically" is photos, and even then you need have the app open for it to do it's thing. No automatic full backups to be seen here. Wanna try again?
If you REALLy want a “full backup” then there are solutions, like some here suggested amazing, also can backup to Mac and to Windows computers.
Most phone users don’t really care about backups and no one is forcing you to use iCloud either.
Said it before, used iPhone for 15+ years and use 650MB of iCloud
 
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Which? are apparently staffed by morons. There are settings for each of the simpler services like notes, reminders, mail, to select a default account which doe not need to be iCloud.
Photos is tied to iCloud but has an export to Google Photos option and you're not in any way forced to use Apple's Photos.
I hope Apple fights this and have little doubt they'll win. I just hope they can file a suit against which? to recoup extra damages and deter these frivolous suits in the future.
The export to google photos is a manual process, that is only realy useful if switching to Android. Apple should lose this as it's blatant monopolistic behaviour.

The default save location is iCloud, saving elsewhere is a doable, but enough of a pain in the arse to make iCloud SEEM better. Hopefully Apple will lose and we can backup, and restore from NAS locations.
 
You know if you hook into DropBox they too tie you into their ecosystem. Same with Microsoft, Google, etc.

When is the EU, Great Britain, etc going to go after Microsoft Office and demand full interoperability with LibreOffice, iWorks, etc?

When does it end? Is GM or VW or Tesla required to include CarPlay Support? Why not?

Are Apple ecosystem customers supposed to mow your lawns as well?
Poor comparasons, why to people start comparing apples to oranges in these situations? I don't need word to integrate with pages for example, but I can use word seemlessly with one drive or google drive on my mac. I can backup my macbook pro on to a nas drive, but not my iPhone. Which is my main bugbear.
 
Are "normies" backing up their Mac at all? Why can't they back it up to iCloud?

Such a juvenile word, by the way.

If you follow the conversation back to the start, you'll see that:

1. the OP suggested no one should back up to the cloud, that it's all a big scam
2. the OP used the word "normie" which I then repeated (agree that it is juvenile)
 
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If you REALLy want a “full backup” then there are solutions, like some here suggested amazing, also can backup to Mac and to Windows computers.

Yes, I'm aware of that. The issue is that these aren't set-and-forget, the device does it by itself now solutions. This is something I would have to manually do. Which leads me to my second point;

Most phone users don’t really care about backups

Probably because they see backups as either that thing Apple charges too much to store, or that thing they set-and-forgot about. If I want to be in that second crowd, Apple is the only game in town, and it's not because they made the superior cloud storage solution.
 
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So buy something else.
When it comes to PCs, yes, I do go elsewhere as I prefer to build my own gaming systems instead of paying those criminal prices. As for iCloud, I can’t go elsewhere, can I? Because Apple gives you no other choice but to force you into paying for their cloud storage if you actually want usable storage for backups.
 
Hmm if that was the case then how come you can’t get close to equivalent experiences on android with windows or Linux?

What experience are you looking for? I use Insync to keep files synced across platforms but there are other options.

I believe Apples anti competitive practices stifle this kind of innovation anyway because by cutting off iPhone, iPads and Macs from the competition any cross platform solution without Apple integration would be a non-starter for a lot of people. This is why you don't see many companies trying to build a better one. Also, investing too much in Apples ecosystem is a bad choice for a lot of developers as Apple can cut them off at any time and roll out their own product instead.
That's the issue here.
 
I literally have an iPhone and use Dropbox. I don't pay a dime for iCloud storage. So what's the problem here? Tell me how people are trapped? This is getting absolutely absurd.

And this is coming from someone who is super critical of Apple at times, believe me.
 
not sure what you're talking about but... again, Apple doesn't want you to decide with your money, once you've bought an iPhone.
You have two weeks to return the phone if you don’t like the way the phone operates, the vertical integration etc.
"I don't have a problem so the problem doesn't exist"
“I have a problem and therefore it’s a universal problem.”
You're asked what browser you want to use, you can be asked what backup service you want to use if Apple think it's almost mandatory.
Does Microsoft ask to install google cloud? iCloud works seamlessly with apple hardware and software. But you are under no obligation to use it.
Apple finding petty excuses to prevent competition.
Why should they enable an alternate cloud provider?
There's been only Safari for a long time, then just Safari-based browsers. For money. Apple took money from Google to make them the standard browser.
Yeah, good for apple.
Which ultimately pushed more people who didn't know better to just give their data to one of the most data-greedy companies on Earth.
If google didn’t pay money to apple, are you saying there would be no private data charging hands? I find that difficult to believe.
So it turned out that Apple was just using privacy as a marketing tool for those who care.
For those who don’t care their data isn’t private? Not sure what you are saying.
Lightning cables. It was cool that it was reversible, then it's been vastly surpassed by USB C.
Not really. Of course that is my subjective opinion. I would be happy with lightning, but now I have no choice.
Apple didn't want their customers to get a better cable (or to buy less cables, you know, for the environment they pretend they love so much),
The amount of pretend is negligible. The amount of actual work is more than most companies.
they just wanted to upsell proprietary accessories.
That are better than most accessories.
You still can't set other maps apps as default, other than Apple Maps.
On my phone I have Waze and google maps. Equally usable in CarPlay.
And, boy, I could spend hours talking about repairing your iPhone.
They've used ALL the tricks they could to prevent third party repair. I know, I used to do that for a living.
Are you talking years ago or today?
So, let's say you decided with your hard-earned $$$ that the iPhone 7 is the best phone. Congrats! Just when warranty expires, it comes out that it had an engineering problem that made the audio chip fail. Your phone is no longer a phone. Apples wants hundred of dollars to replace the motherboard,
Which I got for free.
third party repairmen want a third of that to fix the motherboard. Thank God there's competition!
Of course. Thankfully there is competition.
Even if a chip is broken, it can be swapped.
...but when that happens to the CPU, it can't be swapped. For security reasons. Fine. Same for the SSD. For security reasons. Alright. And the modem. Mmm... security? Wi-Fi... security again? The display too. Ok, maybe "security" meant "money" all along.
Think of a car with electronics that don't allow the engine to start if you bought wheels made by another manufacturer.
Think of a car that allows the engine to start even if the security chip says everything is okay.
If you don't see a pattern here (we sell phones, we should be the only ones to sell anything that's related to that phone, no matter how much better the competition could be)...
The pattern is apples vertically integrated system is envious. For those who don’t like it there is composition as you noted.

As a general comment the lawsuits are getting more and more creative. A feature is turning into a sueable offense.
 
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Read the title, read the article and said "I bet you that the Apple white knights will be out in full force"

Proceed to the comments...

Aaaaand as expected.
Then you look at the URL and realize you are on a pro Apple site.
 
Most phone users don’t really care about backups
Probably because they see backups as either that thing Apple charges too much to store, or that thing they set-and-forgot about. If I want to be in that second crowd, Apple is the only game in town, and it's not because they made the superior cloud storage solution.

It's because they don't care about backups.
Most regular people (my sample is friends & family) don't have any entire device backup for any device in their life unless they're paying for iCloud+ for their phone.

They don't have an external drive to use TimeMachine, they don't pay for Backblaze. If something feels important to them, they put it in Dropbox or Google Drive, which we know isn't a backup.
 
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The only thing I agree on is that you should be able to make back ups to other services or even on your own NAS.

On Android I can even make a back up to thumb drive.

Right now you literally have only the choice between paying Apple or not making a backup at all. This seems indeed anticompetitive.
You can back up to external drives and NAS, but you need a computer for that. Mine backs up over Wi-Fi to my NAS through the Mac, and I don't have to worry about managing it myself at all. Of course you can't do it on iOS itself and it's a bit of a hacky method, which is the problem, but it's not exactly impossible!

Of course, this is just the backups done from Finder. Doing the iMessage etc. sync over my own NAS would be very nice. Currently you either pay them for storage or have to delete messages constantly. And iCloud is absolutely horrible with managing what's in there because you'll delete images from conversations in iMessage and then they'll suddenly come back and boom, your 5GB is full again.
 
The market can't decide because Apple doesn't allow it. That is the point.
You buy an iPhone, Apple uses all sort of tricks to make you use iCloud.
The market has decided about the iPhone, iPhone is good. Apple uses that decision to prevent even having to fight for who makes the best cloud service: when you have an iPhone, you just have to use their service, for no technical reason, just the fact that they're trying to lock it like they did with the App Store.
If Apple is that good at the game, they should let competitors play and prove it.

Edit: they've also done all they could with browsers, maps, cables, repair... it's a very clear pattern.
Wrong the market has decided. You want to eliminate any competitive advantage vertical integration has by redefining market into nonsense. The market has decided some people just dont like what it said so they want to hamper what the market is clearly rewarding. The market says people think what apple is doing on the whole is great. Trying to say the imaginary market you are dreaming of where Apple allows every bit of their business to be messed with by outsiders wasn't chosen...the one where apple is integrated was and it won.
 
I really hope one outcome of this will be, that Apple makes local backups more convenient. I have plenty of storage on my always-on NAS. If I could conveniently backup all iOS devices to that locally and automatically, that would be glorious 🙌.
How is your NAS backed up?
 
It's still incredibly sad that by ~2010, capitalists went with cloud direction instead of making well-integrated self-hosting solutions.

Imagine having all your stuff on a Mac mini at home, including phone backups, contacts, etc. Free forever, fully yours, just don't forget to replace hard drives once in a while.

I'm certain that every person could easily manage that setup, just like all the "normie" people used to pirate music for their iPods back in the day.

But of course, it's harder for police and for data brokers to access data that way, so here we are.
you can do this today and yesterday. how and where you backup data is a choice.
 
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I don’t understand. I back up to local USB drives and a NAS. Using Time Machine and iMazing. There is also Carbon Copy, Super Duper, etc on my mac
plenty of choices out there.
My MacBook backs up using Time Machine no problem at all by my iPhones and iPads back up to iCloud. Documents are in iCloud as are photos.
 
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As for iCloud, I can’t go elsewhere, can I? Because Apple gives you no other choice but to force you into paying for their cloud storage if you actually want usable storage for backups.
Tell me when Apple made you buy an iPhone and how they did it.
 
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oh because when I buy tiny house and start accumulating things, I blame the city for making it hard for me to move out and/or to use public storage.

/s

What if the city built your house and intentionally limited spaces for storage within the house so you have to pay them for space at the public storage facility they also own? that’s more like what Apple does.
 
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