Apple AirPods Firmware

[Jutah]

“This is 100% per the user above-

FYI: there 's a magic option that make the thread much clearer: it is called "quote".

Yes, first off the article was translated from German to English-

...ok. So what?

Secondly, 2C54 was pulled super fast because it was causing more issues than 2b58. Connections/Red Exclamations etc.

That's completely not true. The 2C54 fixes some (not all) annoying glitches that the 2B588 didn't fix. Connection problem, glitches when switching modes, red exclamation. The red has exclamation was not solved completely however. The ANC strenght was the same as the 2B588.

Saying that the 2C54 cause more issue than 2B588 is false, saying it was pulled out quickly because of the previous is pure speculation.

One more thing that I believe proves they lowered ANC was a stricter sound test implemented in the 2b588, if you go out and research people who were updating in November were complaining about ANC Degradation and when they were re-testing they were magically failing on one ear or both... when everything was green for them in original firmware. I believe this was part of the plan.

once again pure speculation.
You are talking about a plan: well, i understand your anger, but do not create so much misleading theory or fake information.

We all hope they fix the ANC but please keep your feet on the ground.

 

[Senfinger]

Insert Magic Option Here = )

The German to English was for the user stating the the comment in bold "sometimes" translation vs. 3rd party, speed of article vs. Apple making a legitimate statement on why it was truly pulled... (Which they publicy have been silent till the other day to a user on Apple Discussion.)

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250887615

That info was a copy and paste from a Euro Tech Note that had connection with Apple; along with me agreeing to another user's comment prior. Also, yes its my opinion not false information on the stricter fit test- and people failing after the Nov. Upgrade is all over this forum and the above Apple Discussion Link. Please read = )

BTW
0 Anger at all, I'm completely happy! Apple has taken 3 pairs back now and currently sitting in new return windows just in case for two more pairs = )

We all just want 2B584 back!!!

 

[Jutah]

The German to English was for the user stating the the comment in bold "sometimes" translation vs. 3rd party, speed of article vs. Apple making a legitimate statement on why it was truly pulled... (Which they publicy have been silent till the other day to a user on Apple Discussion.)

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250887615

That info was a copy and paste from a Euro Tech Note that had connection with Apple; along with me agreeing to another user's comment prior. Also, yes its my opinion not false information on the stricter fit test- and people failing after the Nov. Upgrade is all over this forum and the above Apple Discussion Link. Please read = )

BTW
0 Anger at all, I'm completely happy! Apple has taken 3 pairs back now and currently sitting in new return windows just in case for two more pairs = )

We all just want 2B584 back!!!

do you agree with me that the green seal test is not necessarily related to the effectiveness of ANC?

 

[Senfinger]

do you agree with me that the green seal test is not necessarily related to the effectiveness of ANC?

Yes 100% (My opinion was on the fact I think they had to alter ANC to fix technical issues or health reasons and made the test stricter to force user to get a "better fit to pass" in hopes the ANC works more effectively based on tip or modification vs... ANC Technology-

Also, Rtings appeared to update their testing notes, but didn't reply back in discussion thread. My guess is we will see a new update here soon- and hopefully they will put a ANC Slider in and/or beef it back up.

This is definitive now- (Personally, I also believe that everyone obviously hears better/worse.. different frequencies, sensitivities etc... So that would explain why some people experience 0 difference vs. people who do and up to 25-30% reduction)

 

[Jutah]

Yes 100% (My opinion was on the fact I think they had to alter ANC to fix technical issues or health reasons and made the test stricter to force user to get a "better fit to pass" in hopes the ANC works more effectively based on tip or modification vs... ANC Technology-

Also, Rtings appeared to update their testing notes, but didn't reply back in discussion thread. My guess is we will see a new update here soon- and hopefully they will put a ANC Slider in and/or beef it back up.

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I missed the 2020 update. This is an important evidence.

I think the same thing: they will give the option to tune the ANC strength, but I think it’ll come along an iOS update.

Did you notice a degradation in ANC from 2b588 to 2c54? As I said I have both but they show no differences. But I clearly hear the snap or the people talking with both, so probably the killer ANC was implemented in the very first release.

On the rtings update they mention “as they did before with the previous upgrade” that imply the 588 version.

 

[Senfinger]

I missed the 2020 update. This is an important evidence.

I think the same thing: they will give the option to tune the ANC strength, but I think it’ll come along an iOS update.

Did you notice a degradation in ANC from 2b588 to 2c54? As I said I have both but they show no differences. But I clearly hear the snap or the people talking with both, so probably the killer ANC was implemented in the very first release.

On the rtings update they mention “as they did before with the previous upgrade” that imply the 588 version.

Yes- that would be awesome as it would make sense since its been awhile for IOS- (They had their hands full with 13 w/new models & photography suite and all)

The wife and I noticed 0 difference in ANC or Sound Issues/Differences from 2B588 to 2C54...
We absolutely did notice when we returned back from international travel and they updated from 2B584 to 2b588 We actually said something the same day... I went to the gym and said its awful something is wrong with my Airpod Pros and she was like its funny you said that I have been working at my desk and I'm able to hear noises that I couldn't prior... then started researching and BAM...

So the problem is they gave them awesome reviews on 2B584 which rightfully so = )

On 2B588 they said we didn't see anything that people were complaining about but there might be and then they edited their post at ...

Firmware Updates causing poor ANC performance

Hi rtings, They’ve been many reports on Apple’s forums (https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250887615) and on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/airpods/comments/ebjadh/new_firmware_released_for_gen2_and_pro_models/) that the first and second firmwar

www.rtings.com

Then they post the test on the 2C54 showing yes... but now pulled it seems
Here is the full link/testing- they are so awesome!

Apple AirPods Pro Truly Wireless Review

The Apple AirPods Pro Truly Wireless are a welcome upgrade of the Apple AirPods (2nd generation) Truly Wireless. Their in-ear fit helps make them more stable, an...

www.rtings.com

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They just updated the discussion just now = ) It would be nice to see a change graph per the user Dush maybe they will be able to overlap and show where it was reduced and by how much of a scale/percent.

Posted 1 hour ago by Ian McPhail (RTINGS.com)
Hey everyone, thanks a lot for your patience and apologies for the delay. We finished re-testing with firmware 2C45 and did indeed notice a drop in noise isolation performance, primarily in the bass range. We’ve updated the review with our findings.
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Posted 56 minutes ago by Dush
Thanks Ian, can you please show the graphs before and after the update?
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[supergt]

Yes 100% (My opinion was on the fact I think they had to alter ANC to fix technical issues or health reasons and made the test stricter to force user to get a "better fit to pass" in hopes the ANC works more effectively based on tip or modification vs... ANC Technology-

Also, Rtings appeared to update their testing notes, but didn't reply back in discussion thread. My guess is we will see a new update here soon- and hopefully they will put a ANC Slider in and/or beef it back up.

This is definitive now- (Personally, I also believe that everyone obviously hears better/worse.. different frequencies, sensitivities etc... So that would explain why some people experience 0 difference vs. people who do and up to 25-30% reduction)

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You should post this on the Apple support forum and maybe direct message macrumors. This is significant and finally we have proof.

 

[Senfinger]

Done on both... ?

You should post this on the Apple support forum and maybe direct message macrumors. This is significant and finally we have proof.

 

[EdMan]

Funny I was stressing why my APP's wouldn't update. Now it appears they pulled the update and I should be happy they didn't. Hmmm....

 

[supergt]

Done on both... ?

Success! Finally this story made the macrumors front page!

 

[Elektrofone]

Success! Finally this story made the macrumors front page!

Maybe it will get some attention now. Definitely noticed the difference today. I can hear a lot more even with my memory foam adapted tips.

 

[japanime]

Success! Finally this story made the macrumors front page!

Well done! Thanks to the Macrumors members who persisted in bringing this issue to light.

 

[supergt]

Well done! Thanks to the Macrumors members who persisted in bringing this issue to light.

Also a big thanks due to RTINGS. So many critical people saying this was all made up and a simple perception problem. We needed the data and they came through.

 

[Otflyer]

The German to English was for the user stating the the comment in bold "sometimes" translation vs. 3rd party, speed of article vs. Apple making a legitimate statement on why it was truly pulled... (Which they publicy have been silent till the other day to a user on Apple Discussion.)

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250887615

That info was a copy and paste from a Euro Tech Note that had connection with Apple; along with me agreeing to another user's comment prior. Also, yes its my opinion not false information on the stricter fit test- and people failing after the Nov. Upgrade is all over this forum and the above Apple Discussion Link. Please read = )

BTW
0 Anger at all, I'm completely happy! Apple has taken 3 pairs back now and currently sitting in new return windows just in case for two more pairs = )

We all just want 2B584 back!!!

I don’t need 2B584 back. Mine work fine on 2C54. Mine came with 2B584, updated to 2B588 then, 2C54. Didn’t notice any change period from one update to the next.

 

[Jutah]

I think the press has put too much emphasis in blaming 2C54. The ANC worsening is definitely started with 2B588. In terms of ANC both *54 and *588 are very weak.

 

[mxrider88]

I agree!!
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I think the press has put too much emphasis in blaming 2C54. The ANC worsening is definitely started with 2B588. In terms of ANC both *54 and *588 are very weak.

I agree!!

 

[Ralfi]

I don’t need 2B584 back. Mine work fine on 2C54. Mine came with 2B584, updated to 2B588 then, 2C54. Didn’t notice any change period from one update to the next.

Those in our position are in for a treat then.

(I’m not expecting much difference, as NC works fine as is, so I’m not convinced I’m actually impacted here).

 

[maj88]

Since the new software, both AirPods are not passing fit-test...

Hopefully Apple will fix this ASAP.

 

[xxBlack]

I past the fit test with EVERY ear tip. The large one is too big idk why it says good fit

 

[Minarets]

Does the fit test really matter in the end? You either can get a good seal or you can’t? I feel you can tell if you do or not. It’s a nice gimmick tho.

 

[Ralfi]

Does the fit test really matter in the end? You either can get a good seal or you can’t? I feel you can tell if you do or not. It’s a nice gimmick tho.

Depending on its accuracy, it may be useful to those who aren’t sure if they’re staying in by running a fit test every 15 or so minutes (without any AirPods adjustments), just to gauge whether they’re slipping out over time, especially during workouts etc.

 

[DesertSilver]

Does the fit test really matter in the end? You either can get a good seal or you can’t? I feel you can tell if you do or not. It’s a nice gimmick tho.

I can’t speak for everyone else but I previously checked fit test after the bass was audibly reduced, at which point the fit test failed. After sucking on them, resulting on fit test passing, the bass level was improved.

 

[HeadphoneAddict]

So, while my APP on the 2C54 have good NC for tuning out the ceiling fan in my room, or the gas fireplace, and running water in the sink or the ceiling fan vent in the bathroom, I found that when using them in the car today I noticed a considerable amount of low frequency rumble from my WRX exhaust making it through the APP unattenuated.

Also, when I walk down the street with them in my ears, I hear the intrusive thumping of my feet as I walk on the pavement get physically transmitted through my APP (bone conduction?), when they didn't do it this badly before. When speaking with my son about this, he definitely recalls my commenting on how much better the APP were for this issue when walking vs my Sennheiser Momentum TWS which sound better with music but don't have ANC (they do have transparency mode).

It was definitely NOT this bad when I first got them on Nov 16th. So, count me in the group of people who are disappointed with Apple.

 

[ales876]

So, I orderd mine last week and they sad it was schedule for delivery mid of feb. I see now that my local store got them in stock.

Should I get them? Or wait until my order is scheduled and hope that its fixed until then?

 

[hijglander]

So, I orderd mine last week and they sad it was schedule for delivery mid of feb. I see now that my local store got them in stock.

Should I get them? Or wait until my order is scheduled and hope that its fixed until then?

Just get them... in my opinion the APP's are a great product.. even with the ANC not performing at its best. Although I don't have any comparison since I believe I've never been on anything else then the 2C54 firmware.