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I'm still thinking about the idea of a new "e" lineup, as in there will be a 17e model next year. Would it keep the 6 months-off cadence and release Feb of 26? And, if so, do the multiple cameras, and less GPUs really matter to people? I don't game on my phone, but many do, so don't know how big a deal that is. I don't think the cameras matter that much, honestly.
 
I'm still thinking about the idea of a new "e" lineup, as in there will be a 17e model next year. Would it keep the 6 months-off cadence and release Feb of 26? And, if so, do the multiple cameras, and less GPUs really matter to people? I don't game on my phone, but many do, so don't know how big a deal that is. I don't think the cameras matter that much, honestly.
Cameras are amongst the most popular considered features when buying phones, but not everyone cares.

For example, the #1 reason I want to upgrade from my 12 Pro Max to the 17 Pro Max this year is for the camera upgrades. Not much else matters to me, cuz performance-wise the 12 Pro Max is perfectly fine for me.

Will this outsell the 16 going forward? My guess is yes, but interested what others think.
I don't think so, but it will likely greatly outsell the SE 3 IMO.
 
This entire thread can be boiled down to: “I can’t believe they didn’t release an iPhone 16 with a notch for £399.”
 
Strange question but, I don't use magsafe to charge but I have the phone stick to a magnetic mount in my car. Would a magsafe case be enough to carry on with this or would it be less magnetic than the iPhone 14??
I don’t have comparison to 14 but as 11Pro owner with MagSafe case from AliExpress I can tell - it’s all depends on strength of magnets in case.

Had 4 cases - only two were able to keep phone safe on desk magsafe gen1 charger on stand and on MagSafe holder in car.

Only one is able to support also steady MagSafe battery bank (beside O-shape MagSafe array there is also l-shape below to keep it aligned).
This one:

I use 2 Benks chargers:

https://www.benks.com/products/magclap-juicepod-power-bank-10000mah (Mostly for desk charging or as a normal battery bank to use with cable in a go)

+ discontinued MagClap™ On-Go Power Bank 5000mAh (which is close in size with Apple MagSafe Battery bank).

First one has stronger magnets.

Also keep in mind that when charging for a long time in car / sun phone will be extra hot = charging will go to like 2W and either % will be the same or charge very very slow.

So in case charging will be preferred keep it on AC fans to get back cooled when in use and charge.

Edit:
Also 11Pro is little heavier than 16e : 188g vs 167g
 
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For the base model price of 599 dollars, this equates to £476.40 at the current exchange rate. Whereas the base model in the UK is £599 :mad: I know there will be some import duties on the phone, along with shipping charges, but they certainly won't add up to £122.60 Apple!!
 
Do it!

Personally I dislike Android phones, and especially hate the cheap ones, but YMMV. If you're happy with Android, then it would be foolish for you not to save that $540.
I did. I upgraded to it from a 6S and must admit it's an excellent phone for a freebie.
 
Will this outsell the 16 going forward? My guess is yes, but interested what others think.
The 16 is the best value iPhone Apple have done in some time, perhaps exacerbated more by the release of the 16e. Buyers are getting quite a lot for the extra £200.

I do however think they will sell a lot, mainly because the design isn’t outdated enough to put off teenagers.

What I really wonder is how they’re going to shift that warehouse of iPhone 15s nobody is going to buy.
 
Cameras are amongst the most popular considered features when buying phones, but not everyone cares.

For example, the #1 reason I want to upgrade from my 12 Pro Max to the 17 Pro Max this year is for the camera upgrades. Not much else matters to me, cuz performance-wise the 12 Pro Max is perfectly fine for me.


I don't think so, but it will likely greatly outsell the SE 3 IMO.
Yeah, cameras matter for me as well, but I always like having the latest greatest. But, do they really matter for people who were already considering a regular 16? You were already not caring enough to get the 3 camera version, so is the mainstream 16 worth a 200 dollar premium over this new 16e? My uneducated guess is that most will flock to the 16e.
 
For the base model price of 599 dollars, this equates to £476.40 at the current exchange rate. Whereas the base model in the UK is £599 :mad: I know there will be some import duties on the phone, along with shipping charges, but they certainly won't add up to £122.60 Apple!!
20% of that £599 price is VAT. Take off £120 in sales tax and it’s about the same. Listed US prices do not quote sales tax either.
 
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You are not their market then. It's the price of admission for a new iOS smartphone. If you value the ecosystem, quality hardware, software support, then you pay for it. Apple is obviously not trying to make the cheapest phone. But, hey, there are lots of old used iPhones out there that will give you 90 percent of the new experience, still be great hardware, etc...and I'd argue a better buy than your Moto.
The value proposition for me is I can simply pull the sim card and toss the phone over my shoulder, then insert into another cheap phone. The Android phone experience is dramatically different than years back. Now Android OS and that type of phone are good enough for me.
 
Damn, $599 is a lot for an entry level phone. I was looking at getting my mom a replacement for her aging SE, but not for this price. I’ll keep my eye out for some good refurbished deals, and hopefully her SE will just keep chugging along.
 
For the base model price of 599 dollars, this equates to £476.40 at the current exchange rate. Whereas the base model in the UK is £599 :mad: I know there will be some import duties on the phone, along with shipping charges, but they certainly won't add up to £122.60 Apple!!

Pretty sure it’s more or less the same price when accounting for tax. Take the 20% VAT off the GBP price and you get £479, which is essentially the USD price (also before tax).
 
The value proposition for me is I can simply pull the sim card and toss the phone over my shoulder, then insert into another cheap phone. The Android phone experience is dramatically different than years back. Now Android OS and that type of phone are good enough for me.
It's been like 5 years for me since I was on Android. Nothing bad to say really, but made it clear to me that iOS/iPhones are worth the premium and lack of customization. But I get it, iPhones are not cheap. Hard to argue the 400 usd range Androids don't give you the most value if you're not interested in the very best experience.
 
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Yeah, cameras matter for me as well, but I always like having the latest greatest. But, do they really matter for people who were already considering a regular 16? You were already not caring enough to get the 3 camera version, so is the mainstream 16 worth a 200 dollar premium over this new 16e? My uneducated guess is that most will flock to the 16e.
Having just one lens/camera is annoying for a lot of people. Two is much, much better. Three is even better, but less of a jump, especially since that third one is lower quality. Apple has addressed all three markets now with phones with decent sized screens.
 
"crippled" with an A18! 😂

Somehow, I don't think that the A18 is going to be considered slow or underpowered any time soon.
Agreed heck in spite of what
Some naysayers, the company
Or Tim Cook say
I feel like the iPhone 11, 8, XR
12 , 13 and SE 2 & 3
All hold up pretty well and work pretty well of course some better than others but still all solid devices for their ages
 
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Too expensive, $600 before taxes is a joke for an entry level phone. Might as well save your money for when the iPhone 15 price drops in the fall. You'll get MagSafe and the dynamic island, if those are important to you.
 
out of curiosity, what do you need so much power for. most of the things i do on my iphone i can do with a iphone 6. instagram, safari, read books, play a couple of games, text message.
Apps like Ring and Okta Verify are extremely laggy and/or don't work right about two years after a new iPhone with the latest chip is released.
 
The war on value: taking “Budget” and making it luxury.

Ah yes, the latest installment in a never-ending masterclass on corporate greed: the so-called “budget” device that costs significantly more than last year's model, but hey, it’s got a fresh coat of paint, a little more storage and some pretentious new tagline and a gimped processor and some other missing features, so that must mean progress, right?

Thanks to Timmy, who cares more about monetizing every last inch of an ecosystem while ensuring that even the most basic device comes with a built-in upcharge for breathing near it. The message is clear: You don’t get value anymore. You get what they decide you deserve, and you’ll pay extra for it.

The E is for egregious.
 
This looked like a banger of a new iPhone with few compromises (it’s even less tall than the 16) BUT it lacks MagSafe! Once you get used to magnetically attaching your iPhone to a stand there’s no going back.
Yea gotta admit the lack of
MagSafe or anything potentially helpful in the wireless charging process is admittedly bad.
I’m learning the hard way having invested in a few older iPhones
up for resell before we learned
this new iPhone finally had a potential release or announcement incoming.

The iPhone SE 2
iPhone SE 3
and iPhone 11 are great phones but man that having to set or hold the phone just right for wireless charging
is such a damn hassle
 
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