It's not that people don't want electric vehicles; it's that the people who despise electric cars and near-fetishize ICE vehicles assume that their feelings are reality.
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Apple Cancels Electric Car Project
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Even if the pack does not enough energy once they are plugged into an external power it has the ablity to start heating the fluid. Hence we can go about this fast charging issue when they first plug in yeah the charge rate is going to be slow as it is using external power to bring the system up.
The govt mandates should include pushing apartment complexes to update to start including charging station and start including them with the other part of requiring the rate they charge users to be a pass threw of eleltrical rate plus like maybe 3-5% to cover some overhead or tying it back to each apartment.
Solvable issues that need to be addressed as that is an infrastructure problem and one of the easier ones to solve. Just we need to start changing building codes and pushing other places to retro fit.
New construction should just be required to do it as the cost is pretty cheap. Biggest one is requiring the conduit put in place to run the wiring. On a new home construction requring a Nemi-14-50 in the garage or for the parking spot of the house. That is dirt cheap to add during construction and any building not adding it just being stupid greedy but then again I have seen home builder install a 150 amp breakerbox over a 200 amp breaker box the pennies and that one is beyond stupid.
Never said demand was dropping. Saying there’s a lot of EV demand is like saying everyone’s buying a Vision Pro. While a nice product, it’s got a lot of problems and will take a lot of time to overcome. I don’t mind EV’s. Their time just hasn’t come yet.
Tesla is one of the top EV car company in the world and also one of the top car companies overall as of 2023, barring something catastrophic I don’t see that changing.
Tesla is one of the top EV car company in the world and also one of the top car companies overall as of 2023, barring something catastrophic I don’t see that changing.Except that he didn’t really do that. He bought Tesla and had little input other than cash for years. In fact, one could argue that the company has done significantly worse since he took an active role in it.
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Now let's see a stat that shows how many of each car has spontaneously combusted without introduction of an external ignition source.
Probably rare for any type of car I’d imagine. I’d expect vehicles carrying tanks full of flammable liquid to still be far ahead per 100.
You can attempt to massage the data as much as possible to fit the narrative you're trying to reach, but you wont get there. Fact is that narrative of EVs spontaneously exploding or catching on fire more than a normal ICE vehicle is simply untrue and there's tons of public stats to back it. Here's yet more reliable third-party sources...
Do electric cars pose a greater fire risk than petrol or diesel vehicles?
The first in a series exploring the myths and realities surrounding EVs
Electric cars are less likely to catch fire than gas cars - Autoblog
'All the data shows that EVs are just much, much less likely to set on fire than their petrol equivalent.'
www.autoblog.com
Now I'm a huge fan of ICE vehicles, but the data is the data. Unless you'd like to cite a reliable source yourself?
One word for old timers - Copeland
Apple has canceled all plans to release an autonomous, electric vehicle, reports Bloomberg. Apple has been working on an Apple Car for more than a decade and invested millions of dollars into development before deciding it was not a viable project.
Apple's Chief Operating Officer Jeff Williams today told approximately 2,000 employees working on the Apple Car that the project was canceled, and the information reportedly came as a surprise.
Work on the Apple Car is winding down and many of the people that were working on the car will move to Apple's artificial intelligence division to work on generative AI under AI chief John Giannandrea.
There are a number of hardware engineers and car designers that were on the Apple Car team, and there will be layoffs. Some of the employees may be able to shift to other divisions within the company.
Earlier this year, there were rumors that the Apple Car project had been scaled back, with Apple abandoning plans for a full driverless car with autonomous capabilities. Apple shifted focus to an electric vehicle with fewer self-driving features, and the vehicle would have been on par with Tesla's technology. Apple was aiming to release the car sometime around 2026, but now those plans have been shelved completely.
News of the Apple Car first surfaced in 2014, and since then, the project has been rife with problems. The focus of the work has changed and evolved multiple times, and Apple has had several leadership changes due to internal strife. Apple Watch chief Kevin Lynch took over the project in 2021, and he worked to scale down the project while still putting out a viable car.
According to Bloomberg, senior Apple executives made the decision to wind down the Apple Car project in recent weeks.
Article Link: Apple Cancels Electric Car Project
I'd say that Apple probably concluded that their pipe dream of a fully self driving vehicle probably wasn't achievable in the medium term and with a short term economic downturn in some markets realised they might be better off redeploying the staff.
Seems to me that they wanted 'no steering wheel' to be their USP. What a pipe dream!
But just in case they might be looking to re-enter the market later they might be looking for a car company to purchase off the shelf - kind of like Beats - to give them a head start later.
I'd say that they should prioritise looking at the same improved battery tech that everyone is looking towards with one eye on possibly investing in one or more of the car companies that have sprung up.
If they were designing a better car then process shrinks on microprocessors to use less power should be on the cards while trying to reduce weight should also be an objective.
Overall weight reduction by using full aluminium space frame construction (like the Audi A2 from back in the day) and a careful judgement of how much battery to include without triggering range anxiety.
In the meantime, if they were more interested in getting CarPlay in front of more people they really should been talking to VW as their infotainment software has been poor. There's a number of companies who appear to be going with Android Auto or removing CarPlay altogether (GM?) which has to be a bit concerning.
Seems to me that they wanted 'no steering wheel' to be their USP. What a pipe dream!
But just in case they might be looking to re-enter the market later they might be looking for a car company to purchase off the shelf - kind of like Beats - to give them a head start later.
I'd say that they should prioritise looking at the same improved battery tech that everyone is looking towards with one eye on possibly investing in one or more of the car companies that have sprung up.
If they were designing a better car then process shrinks on microprocessors to use less power should be on the cards while trying to reduce weight should also be an objective.
Overall weight reduction by using full aluminium space frame construction (like the Audi A2 from back in the day) and a careful judgement of how much battery to include without triggering range anxiety.
In the meantime, if they were more interested in getting CarPlay in front of more people they really should been talking to VW as their infotainment software has been poor. There's a number of companies who appear to be going with Android Auto or removing CarPlay altogether (GM?) which has to be a bit concerning.
True. In my Kia, Carplay sucks to the point where I usually plug my phone into a USB/cigLighter adapter instead.
They don't really have a vested interest other than being able to mass produce a viable product that sells. There's also various other articles.The Mitsubishi site has a vested interest. Of course they argue for alternatives.
And again, I clearly said that I favor hydrogen.
Spectra by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Group
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However, I'm not pushing for Hydrogen, since it appears to be quite a ways away from being viable (a decade or more). In the meantime, there needs to be a cheap way to make ICE vehicles more efficient and decrease their pollution. Would be huge for developing markets, especially.
You can attempt to massage the data as much as possible to fit the narrative you're trying to reach, but you wont get there. Fact is that narrative of EVs spontaneously exploding or catching on fire more than a normal ICE vehicle is simply untrue and there's tons of public stats to back it. Here's yet more reliable third-party sources...
Do electric cars pose a greater fire risk than petrol or diesel vehicles?
The first in a series exploring the myths and realities surrounding EVswww.theguardian.com
Electric cars are less likely to catch fire than gas cars - Autoblog
'All the data shows that EVs are just much, much less likely to set on fire than their petrol equivalent.'
Now I'm a huge fan of ICE vehicles, but the data is the data. Unless you'd like to cite a reliable source yourself?
No narrative.
Your unsourced chart is not responsible.
I merely used spontaneous combustion because you are trying to minimize the risk of fire in an EV when there are exponentially fewer of these cars on the road.
It's not a valid comparison.
How about simply something like, how many cars haven't been able to be filled up, electric or gas, because the temperature was 8 degrees Fahrenheit?
This whole thread is about viability of electric cars and Apple. Apple didn't drop the program because of a minimal fire risk in an EV, so bringing that up is absolutely pointless.
Apartments are renters. No, I meant single-family, detached homes. Apartments are a much smaller percent.
Very few again including EV’s. Owners in Norway, Sweden and Finland in the owners groups I am in don’t seem to be having issues and the narrative about EV’s failing to charge and the promotion through the media that has received seems very fishy to me. It doesn’t get to -13C where I live very often but we have had no issues charging at -6C despite articles also suggesting that will be problematic.
To be honest I quite like that so many are reluctant over EV’s, because we get to enjoy the benefits of ours without too much competition. Right now turning up to public charge is a breeze but that would be very different if they were more popular. The most sceptical are always those with no experience and those that believe every bit of propaganda because it suits their opinion.
But do they count condos? Because a condo is basically an apartment you own.
No one wants them. Why do I see more and more of them on the road then? Are people being taken at gun point to showrooms and forced to buy them?
They don’t use Fahrenheit in Scandinavia though 😉
People will believe any old rubbish, I have a guy at work who swears I’ve been ripped off having solar panels put on my roof and that I won’t see a benefit. Some hack on the radio told him and that’s that. The fact I have the mathematical data to show they’re already paid off falls on deaf ears.
Not everybody lives in America mate. The rest of the World has evolved elsewhere in the automotive sector believe it or not.
With Apple’s resources and good leadership this was well within their capability. The fact they’ve got nowhere is a bad sign in my opinion.
I’m guessing you’re not an engineer or have no common sense.
Electric cars use 8X more carbon to produce, are very expensive and it’s just getting more expensive since the materials to make batteries are not abundant. Have you seen the destruction a mine does?
Even the best batteries don’t last more than 8 years and the value of your car goes to nothing (look how much a used Nissan Leaf costs).
Electric vehicles have no torque. Range goes by half or a third when pulling weight.
Ranger anxiety…
I can go on and on but this I’m sure many will be triggered from their high horses thinking they’re saving the environment by virtue signaling.