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Apple CAN’T do AAA gaming [Merged Megathread]
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Imagine saying we’re getting fleeced when you buy full price games that aren’t even finished. ?
At least BG3 is only a $60 loss. Could be worse like buying a $1K laptop without expandable memory that can't play that crappy rpg game. Everything is relative.
Hush now. You posted a video comparing and M1 mac to a pc where the pc had hardware acceleration turned on and mac didn't.
Feral will release Total War: Warhammer III for Mac tomorrow. The very interesting and exciting detail is that it will be only for M1 and Monterey. No support for Intel, Big Sur or Catalina! The Apple Silicon gaming era has started.
Too bad it’s a game that I have no interest in playing.
You're obviously new. It's common knowledge that games run better under Windows x64 boot camp than native Metal version in MacOS. It's only worse with AS since no more boot camp but more translation layers so more jank. You can have decent frame rate but jank will ruin the gaming experience.
Apple is almost congenitally incapable of caring about gaming on Mac. They let OpenGL rot, they killed 32-bit apps, and they've done nothing to ease game porting to macOS. They don't show games when they reveal new Apple Silicon chips. I had hoped that Apple Arcade would spur them to try to make some kind of play for desktop gaming, but it's like they're blind to this space. Probably because they don't see it as a sales driver and don't know how to control 100% of the money spent on it. In other words, "what's in it for me?"
Errr what are you talking about? New? Please try again. I’ve seen your nonsense and misdirection. No one’s buying it.
Pure speculation. Just like everyone and everything here.
Wrong. Some basic math for you here:
In 3 years, 50% of all computers capable of playing AAA games will be Macs
Edit: December 13th, 2021: Apple will sell about 27 million Macs in 2021. Assume that 80% are M1/M1Pro/M1Max Macs, then Apple will have sold 21 million Macs capable of playing AAA games. According to IDC, the number of gaming computers (desktops and laptops) sold in 2021 is projected to be 47...
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Perfectly agreed. Starcraft II is a perfect demonstration of this.
Yes, SC 2 has a native Metal version on macOS. However, it has not only lower frame rates than Boot Camp, but also random lags and bugs that make it impossible to play competitively. The game simply runs far better in Boot Camp than native macOS.
You may argue that this is due to lack of optimization. Well, sure, but this is the case with almost every macOS game. Either Metal is difficult to optimize, or devs are just not paying enough attention to it. Either way, Mac gaming is ???
Yeah this is why I added a gaming PC to my computer setup. I was getting tired of playing watered down Mac versions. It was practically night and day. Plus access to games which will never be on Mac. My gaming rig is nothing special either just a lowly Haswell but with a Nivida GPU. Plays everything. The only recent game where I needed to lower settings was Cyberpunk 2077, opps no Mac version.
The Mac has never had enough powerful GPU share to matter to developers. And it won’t until Apple Silicon has 100m+ in circulation. And for some developers, they might not care until there are hundreds of millions of Apple Silicon macs in circulation. The exciting thing is that this is inevitable.
I also play SC2 and can confirm that Windows in boot camp ran the game better.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Blizzard just used some translation layer for the Metal renderer.
Plenty of iOS games look fantastic and run on a puny iPhone. So clearly Metal is very capable of efficient rendering.
Yea I get it. Doesn't happen in the game circles I play in on discord. Mostly paradox games. people may say why would you play on Mac and id just tell them why and be done. I wouldn't really care. Its actually objectively not true anyways. M1max can play games surprisingly many of them even through emulation. But its whatever you know. To each their own.
Usually when among a crowd of PCMR gamers. Console gamers are a much more agreeable breed.
Because OpenGL is so relevant for games these days. BTW, OpenGL works absolutely fine on M1. And if you are a dev who uses OpenGL for a new title, you have some big problems anyway.
Yeah, how dare they advance the standards of computing for all of us. Better be like Microsoft and hold everyone back because of legacy concerns.
Oh yeah, I spent all of March completing Elden Ring. That's probably the main reason all other games seem boring in comparison.
? Very different markets. More people have Macs than Gaming PCs, don't they? The current M1 chips seem to be capable enough for basic gaming, the base M1 has a better GPU than the base PS4 has/had. As time moves on more people will have an Mx that will certainly be usable for something I'd assume.