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JMacHack

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It’s bs obviously.
Careful, calling out mitchy has got me banned on more than one occasion. Don’t want you to go to purgatory too!

Yes, of course. No one is arguing that AAA games can't be made with Metal. It's all about market share and money.
I swear this is the answer that sane, rational people come to in every thread like this and it still hasn’t sunk in.
 
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diamond.g

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I no longer have SoTR installed on MBA M1 but AppleGamingWiki guy gets the same fps at 1080p highest preset.

MBA M1 (lower left)
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100W 3060 laptop
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70W 3060 laptop (90fps is already optimal so I normally run at 70W)
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He's not that wrong, but it depends on the scene.



Resolution is different though, 1920x1200 vs 1920x1080.
Fair, though it seems like the MacBook Air is CPU limited more than the others.
I will admit I was wrong though. Shens retracted.
 

JimmyjamesEU

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Careful, calling out mitchy has got me banned on more than one occasion. Don’t want you to go to purgatory too!


I swear this is the answer that sane, rational people come to in every thread like this and it still hasn’t sunk in.
Oh I know. I have suffered the same fate! Appreciate the warning nonetheless.
 

JimmyjamesEU

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Hmmm, as pointed, out different resolution, different settings (low vs lowest etc). The usual nonsense from the master of hashcat.
Fair, though it seems like the MacBook Air is CPU limited more than the others.
I will admit I was wrong though. Shens retracted.
 

GrumpyCoder

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Hmmm, as pointed, out different resolution, different settings (low vs lowest etc). The usual nonsense from the master of hashcat.
Going from 1920x1080 to 1920x1200 and lowest to low isn't going to drop 100+ FPS though.
Here's the same thing with High settings (still 1920x1080 though).
 

jeanlain

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What's the point of comparing an RTX 3060 to an ultrabook GPU (M1)?
Sure, you can find gaming laptops that beat ultrabooks in performance at a lower price (and much higher weight, abysmal battery life, poor build quality overall).

As for the difference between lowest and low settings in SoTR, the difference in quality is huge. Much bigger than between low and ultra.
 

Irishman

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You're obviously new. It's common knowledge that games run better under Windows x64 boot camp than native Metal version in MacOS. It's only worse with AS since no more boot camp but more translation layers so more jank. You can have decent frame rate but jank will ruin the gaming experience.


I guess there’s no pleasing you, eh, mate?
 
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jav6454

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Yeah this is why I added a gaming PC to my computer setup. I was getting tired of playing watered down Mac versions. It was practically night and day. Plus access to games which will never be on Mac. My gaming rig is nothing special either just a lowly Haswell but with a Nivida GPU. Plays everything. The only recent game where I needed to lower settings was Cyberpunk 2077, opps no Mac version.
Exactly. If you want to game on several titles and forgo the watered down versions, you have to have a side gaming Windows machine. There is no way around it.

Furthermore, some games never even come to the Mac due to the smaller market of the Mac vs PC.

I built a nice gaming computer (a while ago) and it still works just fine for my favorites (Cities: Skylines, Surviving Mars, AOE2 DE and others)
 
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droplink

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These type of threads always make me hook up my gaming PC, look through Steam for half an hour, be unable to find a single game that looks good, and then go back to my Mac.
Ah yes, tell me more about those Mac only games that you play.
 
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Homy

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Exactly. If you want to game on several titles and forgo the watered down versions, you have to have a side gaming Windows machine. There is no way around it.

Furthermore, some games never even come to the Mac due to the smaller market of the Mac vs PC.

I built a nice gaming computer (a while ago) and it still works just fine for my favorites (Cities: Skylines, Surviving Mars, AOE2 DE and others)

Interesting that your two first favorites you mention are available for Mac.
 

droplink

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Why don’t you ask my Steam library, which on Mac has dropped from 75+ games to 9 today. Better yet, again, just admit you don’t care about this and we can both move on.
In fairness, Apple had been announcing the 64bit to 32 bit switch in 2018, game developers should have updated their games.

But yes, it is a darn shame that Apple did not retain 32bit support via a Rosetta type interface.

And the changes from 32bit to 64 bit, and from OpenGL to Metal and from Intel to M1 is not helping gaming on a mac as a situation, nor does it instill confidence in developers that their investment in both games and skill will carry forward when support (and therefore future sales) might be cut at a moments notice.
 
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Unregistered 4U

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I like how this thread is still being replied to with the same arguments.
There aren’t a lot of arguments to make about macOS AAA gaming. :) It’s still a good thread, though, as looking up some of the claims made sends me on searches that bring me to a deeper understanding of the whole thing. I’d assume it does the same for a few others.
 

JouniS

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Should you really be using Steam if you game on the Mac? Isn't that what the Mac App Store is for?
It's better to buy from Steam, because you can then play the games on any supported platform. Even if you have only Macs today, you can't know for sure what you will have in the future.
 

diamond.g

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It's better to buy from Steam, because you can then play the games on any supported platform. Even if you have only Macs today, you can't know for sure what you will have in the future.
Whaaaa, no one on this forum switches back to pc once they use a Mac…
 

orionquest

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Exactly. If you want to game on several titles and forgo the watered down versions, you have to have a side gaming Windows machine. There is no way around it.

Furthermore, some games never even come to the Mac due to the smaller market of the Mac vs PC.

I built a nice gaming computer (a while ago) and it still works just fine for my favorites (Cities: Skylines, Surviving Mars, AOE2 DE and others)
Hey glad to see we agree on something ;)👍
 

Jeven Stobs

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That is a fair take.

I mean there are more Mx macs than Playstation 5’s but that doesn’t seem to stop console developers from making PS5 games…
And a Mac serves how well as a console right now? Or as a TV box?
Again, different markets.
 
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