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LMFAO!!!!! I was "brainwashed" with facts in a science class? Looks like your true agenda is starting to show itself. Sorry if it hurts your little feelings, but we are animals. And there are certain things we are born with and cannot change. Sexual orientation is one of them. I'll go let my first grade science teacher know that I don't appreciate my "brainwashing".
First off, what is this Christian movement you're referring to? It's not existent. Religious participation has been on a steady decline in the US for years, thankfully, because unfortunately some people think like you. You can ATTEMPT to label scientific facts as "dogma", but the only dogma is that which the religious right is pushing, and is being rejected by most Americans. You're claiming that Christian extremism is better than atheists promoting reality? No wonder German folks are so prone to destructive mob mentality. As your country demonstrated between 1933-1945, humans are most definitely animals.
You consider the spread and acceptance of scientific intelligence over religion is "fire"? I mean, maybe if you're religious it is, but that's your own problem. You sound like the catholic church persecuting Galileo. And then apologizing centuries later for being stupid.
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Failure as a country, and failure as a people. Very sad. I'm not looking forward to the results of the next upcoming russian revolution.
You are claiming your own beliefs as "fact" and think your "reality" is everyone elses. We've had this topic in the "atheism is a religion" thread. You are as bad and as intolerant as religious fanatics, claiming their god is the only real god and everyone has to live by their book that was supposedly written 2000 years ago.
Just exchange the word god with logic and the holy book with science.
Different flavour same bulls**t.
Sorry, scientific fact is superior to religious dogma. They will never be treated as equal.
The good old "my belief is superior to your belief"-argument.
Only problem is that one argument is a belief and one is fact. Yours is the former.
Argued like a true believer.Only problem is that one argument is a belief and one is fact. Yours is the former.
We're animals ... by definition. We are unique, for sure. But we are animals. We're not "just animals," as if being "just animals" is somehow insulting, because it isn't. Maybe a new sub-order for our species would appease you as we are currently under the sub-class of highly intelligent primates, but we're separated by more than intelligence I think, despite sharing similar anatomy. Regardless, since you don't think we are animals, what do you think we should be called?
I'm not a "science is my religion" guy, but casting out all science or all religion in favor of one or the other doesn't seem quite right. We've had "religion" since before recorded history ... and it's clear that human beings have a need to ponder outside their own existence, so to me there must be something in common with all religions ... maybe there is something more. But that isn't the issue here. The hatefulness is. I don't think hate is of a God ... because if it is ... I wouldn't want anything to do with that God anyway. Something doesn't seem right there.
Thank you for an intelligent post!
I am not advocating hating anyone.
Humans are animals that have the ability to change and surpas their genetic configuration. They are not doomed to be as they are. They can change. This change is difficult and can be uncomfortable. Progress always is.
Modern science is great and has brought great progress to the world. It does however not contradict religion or take it's place. Once you do that, sience becomes your religion and that contradicts the beauty of science.
Thank you for an intelligent post!
I am not advocating hating anyone.
Humans are animals that have the ability to change and surpas their genetic configuration. They are not doomed to be as they are. They can change. This change is difficult and can be uncomfortable. Progress always is.
Modern science is great and has brought great progress to the world. It does however not contradict religion or take it's place. Once you do that, sience becomes your religion and that contradicts the beauty of science.
Just a general question (and really just theoretical, as it really isn't that relevant anymore, see the current developments of gay marriage in the US) - where would you personally draw the line for the influence that a "religion" should have be allowed to have on the life of others?
Excluding science, as I don't see science as a "belief" (although I do understand why "religious" people try to argue that it is one, otherwise their entire argumentation would collapse immediately): "Religions" are being evaluated and compared all the time, especially by those who are stuck to/enslaved by one. There's a reason why certain "religions" are being described as "cults" by non-"followers". And the "belief" of "72 virgins for a martyrdom", which seems to be quite popular in specific scenes also is being criticized heavily, while these "martyrs" obviously hold their "belief" that their actions is exactly that what their "god" expects them to do, who are we to tell them that it's all wrong? If someone says that their toilet brush is a "god" who demands 5 bananas to be eaten at every full moon, would that "belief" have the same value to you as the "belief" of your regular household "Christian"?
Argued like a true believer.
Oh oh I want to play......spoken like a true denialist, evidence doesn't require belief in it.
The muslim martyrs you are taking about do not count as religious in my understanding. It's religion abused for political reasons.
If you think your toilet brush is a god and demands five bananas eaten then I doubt anyone will object. They are rich in vitamin B and potassium if not overripe. Knock yourself out!
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How do you know it's evidence then? In fact how do you know anything?
Give me one source that says the planet will be uninhabitable within 50 years. Just one. Even a transparently fake source. Are we killing the planet? Sure. Are we capable of killing it that fast? Short of a complete nuclear holocost, no.
Im not denying actual scientific findings. Im demanding that they be stated accurately.
Holy deflection Batman, the key word here is evidence. By the very definition evidence is "body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid". We can know something based on the evidence we have for that something. A simple example of how we know something is right in front of your face, this very conversation is all possible because of the scientific method. From the forum we talk on, to the computers it's run on, to the connection from your house, to the server, to my house and everything else in between. Every aspect of this was all created through the scientific process, which wouldn't have worked without the evidence supporting the process along the way.
Exactly. In contrast, religious beliefs can't be proved. For instance, take Tim Cook's statement that "I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me." So according to Tim Cook, gayness is a gift from God? How would one go about proving that God gives out gayness as gifts? And then there are the anti-gay Christians who think homosexuality is a sin, and the souls of those who embrace homosexuality are lost. Can we set up an experiment to determine which one of those views are correct? No, we can't. That is why these views are religion, not science.
heh.. that is THE question
(and sometimes, the best thing to do when you don't know the answer to something is to feel "i don't know")
The good old "my belief is superior to your belief"-argument.
Civilization and religion are incompatible.
Thank you, Arthur C. Clarke.
Religion is based on faith, which is willfully believing what you know is not true. Science is based on observation, and seeks the gradual removal of prejudice (upon which, ironically, religion is partially based on).
I am drawn to the writings of Oscar Wilde when considering religions.
"Religion is like a blind man, looking in a black room for a black cat, that isn't there, and finding it"
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"Religions die when they are proved to be true. Science is the record of dead religions"
KGB
"Religion is like a blind man, looking in a black room for a black cat, that isn't there, and finding it"
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"Religions die when they are proved to be true. Science is the record of dead religions"
KGB
i think that's a poor definition of faith.. most people that believe in a god, know that god to be true.. from a different perspective, it's easy to say "you're kidding yourself (or whatever)" but from their pov, they're not thinking "i'm kidding myself but i'll go along with it anyway"
sure.. that's valid and i think captures it ok.
thing is, in order for one to say "science is the answer to everything, not religion", it requires us to believe something like "humans have the capability to observe everything".. when in reality, we're pretty limited as far what we can observe.
science can be used to explain the things we observe as well as describe or predict some things which we can't observe.. but in no way should science be seen as the revealer of all truths (or whatever) because it hasn't done that.
personally, i'm pretty sure we don't know jack.. in fact, you can use science to show you how much we don't know.. it's just a tool and shouldn't be treated as some sort of core belief system(imo).
You didn't explain how you know it's evidence.
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And for observation you need to believe in the capacity of what you use to observe to produce some kind of truth. How do you know that it does?
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Both of you posters above are claiming that what you observe with your senses and interprete with your brain is true.
How do you know that?
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If it isn't true, then absolutely nothing can be known for certain and I might be talking to a cheese sandwich right now.
That better cheddar cheese. **** that processed "American" crap.
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