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Normal is where how majority behave. Sex is betweenness and women. Marriage is betweenan and woman. If we cold tolerate homosexual, are we gonna tolerate sex between human and animal? How about human and objects?

This is a flawed argument.

If two men together or two women together can be seen as no different than (hu)man with an animal, that suggests at least one in the couple is then not human. Thus, even when women and men are together, any one of those men or women in the couple are secretly "some animal," suggesting that most sexual acts between man and woman are really between man and "some animal that looks like a woman" or woman with "some animal that looks like a man."

Too far with my example? How about:
Almost every public official who denounces homosexuality eventually gets caught in a homosexual act (and usually as the "receiver" or "bottom, so they can't pretend that they weren't actually doing anything).

No? How about the BDSM community? So many of you denouncing homosexuality right now are going to go home to your wives, strip, get tied to the bed, and have your junk stepped on with high heels, all in the name of "pleasure" from pain, while submitting.

Have we covered that there is no normal and that people like what they like, including acts that aren't PIV, oral, with the gender OTHERS deem appropriate, etc.?
 
You obviously have no clue whatsoever what gay people are going through before they are able to come out.

I'm a white straight male. I don't see the major personal battles I'm fighting. Kids made fun of me at school, because I wore glasses and wasn't very athletic. That's the only thing that comes to my mind. But nothing compared to what many gay people go through when they wonder whether or not to come out to their parents or to their friends. Not comparable at all. I have no idea what personal battles you are fighting, but your "EVERYONE" statement is nonsense.

That's a bit dismissive. Plenty of kids are self checking out daily because they are picked on for things like glasses and not being athletic.

Plenty of straight kids are brutalized daily for lots of reasons many consider weak. Don't be so quick to write it off.
 
Redacted part of his statement:

... and while I support equality where it is convenient and profitable to champion, appeasing oppressive countries like Iran to sell magical Apple products to the Khomeini and his murderous minions is necessary to advance the cause. As you probably know Apple is exploring ways to enter that dramatic market. But be not fooled by appearances and rest assured I look forward to the day when gay men and women can be stoned with Mac minis or strangled to death with Lightning cables right next to heterosexual ones. True equality, "modern" Sharia style.

* P.S. I'm also working on getting use of Samsung products in Iran to be a capital offense. Everybody wins!

</$arc>

I'll let you figure out on your own why that's not funny.
 
Many of us- yes I'm gay, IME don't feel victimized.

This is about the media and some others being obsessed with homosexuality over the past few years.

One of the main factors in teen suicide and bullying is being or acting or looking gay. We are obsessed with individual freedom. Perhaps you missed the new laws in Russia? This is still very important news and the LGBT community would be disappointed in your lack of support.
 
With a Greek Orthodox background, your background probably meant you never considered the issues and ideas of the Reformation. i.e. you're a product of your religious background, prior assumptions accepted.

So which mod is posting under a different name? How does someone with 4 posts and joined in May have the ability to post in PRSI?
 
"Everyone is equally marginalized, and life chances are distributed equally. There has never been social progress for anyone ever, and nothing will ever change. Your pal, vampyr."

Apparently you missed the article that mentioned that Tim Cook is a CEO of the largest brand in the world.
And you also must have missed the other article that mentiones he's gay.
Also, Tim Cook is extremely wealthy.

Explain to me again the struggle of being gay?
 
Or maybe they just think it is gross?
I think fat people having sex is gross... I think people eating cow brains and bull testicles is gross too...

Now if they think it is gross and therefore should be illegal that is totally different. Just because something thinks something is gross shouldn't mean that they think people shouldn't have the right to do it.

And most adults know that what they find "gross" is best kept to themselves, but there's always childish people who NEED to make sure everyone around them knows how much they dislike something that has nothing to do with them. I guess it goes hand-in-hand with immaturity.
 
Yikes, no. Gays are not equals. A man is not interchangeable with a woman.

This is not one of his finer moments. "Don't ask don't tell". Nobody wants to hear about your bizarre bedroom behavior. As CEO of a business, he should know better than to share such things publicly.

It is his finest moment actually. Thankfully your opinion is the minority in the West.
 
Sorry, but I'm done buying Apple products as long as Tim Cook is CEO. Using his public position to push the agenda of hate and intolerancs aka. the gay agenda, is disgusting. Keep your bizarre sexual behavior to yourself, Tim, nobody wants to hear about it.

Those Android tablets are looking better and better.

Good does that mean you'll stop coming to Mac Rumors? Or stop using any piece of technology since without a gay guy (Alan Turing) you probably won't have computers like you know them today.

Not to mention I'm positive you fall into this category: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals/

Hopefully you can learn to love yourself one day and stop hiding.
 
I'm perplexed as well. Jony Ive isn't gay. Unless my gaydar is on the fritz.

Even if he was, both men are intelligent enough not to get involved with one another considering their professional relationship.

No, not gay.

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http://www.vogue.com/1415025/apple-design-genius-jonathan-ive/
“Heather is a writer,” he says. “She’s a creative too. We met at high school. I got married when I was 21, and I’m 47. Married a long time. Isn’t it cool?”
 
Apparently you missed the article that mentioned that Tim Cook is a CEO of the largest brand in the world.
And you also must have missed the other article that mentiones he's gay.
Also, Tim Cook is extremely wealthy.

Explain to me again the struggle of being gay?

http://www.phillymag.com/g-philly/2014/09/26/gay-bashing-kathryn-knott-******s-affidavit/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/15/gay-teens-organ-donation-rejected/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/17/nyregion/defendant-guilty-in-rutgers-case.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

etc.....
 
why? i don't see the need for anyone to have to publicly announce their sexuality. You don't see people come out publicly and announce they are heterosexual.

Actually… That largely depends on context; I both study at an arts faculty where a large portion of students are either openly, semi-closeted or closeted (but, in any case, very obviously) gay and have many gay friends (who, in turn, also both have gay and straight friends themselves, though, in many cases, those are disproportionately gay in number) from all quadrants of life, so I sometimes feel the need to “come out” publicly and announce my heterosexuality, with various degrees of subtlety or straightforwardness, depending on the orientation make-up of the group I'm currently socializing in.

You know, though I am openly a straight ally (which should be a self-explanatory, but if it isn't, feel free to google that) and do not feel any revulsion whatsoever at having physical contact with gay people (yes, I'm talking about hugs and, if that suits our fancy, kissing on the cheeks just as I'd do with a straight friend of the opposite sex), newcomers may not have been briefed of that fact in advance, so I may wish to signal myself as avaliable to the opposite sex and unavailable to my own, both to not miss out on potential matching opportunities (when I'm unattached, at least, and it came to my knowledge that in more than one occasion, much after the fact, some girls had it all wrong about me :p ) and to avoid awkward moments of unrequited passion (my behaviour is not always the most heteronormative anyway, which most definitely could lead to confusion towards people with bad/broken gaydars). ;)

Makes a bit of sense, no? YMMV and, in your case and judging by your discourse, I'm guessing most of your friends are heteronormative and either straight or closeted, so you likely wouldn't have to go around telling everyone you are straight. :rolleyes: While on that subject, and also judging by the sheer amount of gay people I know (not just from said faculty but, as I said, also from other areas completely unrelated to the liberal arts), I guess that if every closeted person was to come out at the same time, it would most definitely become handy for straight people to (learn how to) signal themselves as such. Anecdotal evidence tells me that while LGBTQA people are definitely a minority, they are probably not as small a minority as the bigots (many of whom may be closeted themselves) make it seem… And, for that matter, heteronormativity is just a social shackling device, “useful” only to keep lazy/shy/fearful/hateful (pick your group) heterossexuals from having to, you know, having to say every once in a while, “Sorry, I'm straight”. As if that was *that* hard or awkward a thing to do, anyway… :rolleyes:

Anyway, I digress… Good on Tim for coming out! As someone posted before, I wonder how Apple will fare in, say, the Middle East (though I believe the high-ups over there, with some of whom Tim already met, already had suspicions and just didn't care either way, as money speaks louder than sexual orientation anyway :p )… That fact alone makes this all the more relevant; it very much fits in with the “doing [mostly] the right thing” ethos so characteristic of Apple.

All in all, I believe the net effect for *everyone* involved and affected (Tim, gay people in general and Apple as a company, including – duh – its employees, suppliers, customers, etc.) will be greatly positive. :cool:
 
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No surprise

This is no surprise on 2 levels. The first - duh. Of course he is gay. Pretty bad gaydar not to know.

Second it is no surprise that the pinnacle of un-imaginative visionless managers would use his position as head of a corporation to announce his personal life this way. So Tim Cook.

I would say gays are about number 20-80 on the list of persecuted people in the country. It's hilarious that people feel we still need to help the egos of homosexuals. Holy cow! What more can society do. No group in history gets this much positive press and such a rapid reversal of cultural norms and laws. It's beyond amazing.
 
Downvote - 1000000

How on earth does what someone enjoys doing at home effect what they do at work?
If anything, a relationship would help him. And being in a relationship with a member of the opposite sex has the same pros and cons...?

This +100000:

I assume the post isn't highlighting anything about being gay but rather time spent with family outside of work. This goes for straight CEOs too. It's well known that in order to obsessively dominate as a tech industry executive you are expected to work long hours and ignore your family or better yet, don't have a family life at all. CEOs are rewarded for sleeping at their computers and not going home at night. These are the men and women that can truly say they give 100% to their company and it usually shows in their results.

But everyone is also different. Maybe Tim needs a recharge or vacation to make better decisions for Apple. So long as whatever is good for Tim is good for Apple. That is all that matters to me as a customer.
 
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