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Russian Politician Says Apple CEO 'Should Be Banned' from Country After Coming Out as Gay
30 October 2014

Anti-LGBT campaigner Vitaly Milonov, a member of the Legislative Assembly of St. Petersburg, drew on stereotypes of homosexuals to suggest Tim Cook could bring "Aids and gonorrhea" to Russia.

“What could he [Cook] bring us? The Ebola virus, Aids, gonorrhea? They all have unseemly ties over there. Ban him for life."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...-country-after-coming-out-as-gay-9829670.html

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I'm inclined to agree that it would be preferable for the CEO of Apple to keep his public persona all about Apple. It's unfortunate that anyone feels it necessary to make a statement about their sexuality. Should not be necessary but there still is a great deal of intolerance. That's too bad.

I hope that now that Cook has made his statement his concentration is on products not social issues.

Steve was a very private person. He has been harshly criticized for that. I think Steve got it all right. Make great products and keep the focus on Apple not any particular individual.

I have not read much of this thread. It is not my intent to step on toes or make waves. I hope everyone with a clock running at Apple keeps their minds on business.

Thanks for reading.

The thing is, Apple is the largest company in the world and as such a large company they have social responsibilities to set examples for others. Talking about their environmental credentials is a both right and socially responsible. Improving working conditions for those working on assembly lines in China is both right and socially responsible.

These are incredibly important and make up an intangible part of the company like the fact Apple is always highly considered in customer service that cannot be expressed in monetary terms. It can't be accurately accounted for in profit and loss but it goes towards what makes Apple a great company.

By publicly announcing he is gay he not only stops all speculation, he also states Apple's support for gay people as an equal rights employer and gives hope to people struggling to come to terms with their sexuality. That is not only right but socially responsible.
 
Russian Politician Says Apple CEO 'Should Be Banned' from Country After Coming Out as Gay
30 October 2014

Anti-LGBT campaigner Vitaly Milonov, a member of the Legislative Assembly of St. Petersburg, drew on stereotypes of homosexuals to suggest Tim Cook could bring "Aids and gonorrhea" to Russia.

“What could he [Cook] bring us? The Ebola virus, Aids, gonorrhea? They all have unseemly ties over there. Ban him for life."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...-country-after-coming-out-as-gay-9829670.html

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What a disgusting human being.


By publicly announcing he is gay he not only stops all speculation, he also states Apple's support for gay people as an equal rights employer and gives hope to people struggling to come to terms with their sexuality. That is not only right but socially responsible.
This. I don't know how anyone can see it any other way.
 
I knew this topic would turn into an idiotic religious debate amongst hypocritical/ignorant human beings. Seriously, if you have nothing good to say, piss off. Really. You're wasting perfectly good oxygen for the rest of us to enjoy that aren't going around pointing fingers and judging others. You have zero right to judge ... in fact ... that's in your gospel. The golden rule is to treat others as you would want to be treated. The only time in which you are justified in judging others is if you are ... in fact ... perfect yourself ... which you are not. The world would be an entirely different place if everyone would just focus on loving one another instead of having a laser focus on all our differences. The bigotry and hypocrisy and hatefulness spread by people that are supposed to be spreading the love of Christ through their actions/words is astounding. I do hope you realize that in your gospel ... that all sin ... regardless of how severe you think the sin may or not be ... is a ticket to damnation. And it is only through the blood of the lamb ... Christ's sacrifice ... that you get to go to "heaven." Your sin is not any less sinful than those you are judging others for. All sin ... any sin ... is enough to make you unworthy of God. I have a good feeling that God is just shaking his head at all you folks pointing your fingers at and judging others because that is surely not in his teachings. Seriously ... follow your own gospel ... and love others ... and stop being hateful bigots that shame your own belief system ... you are pushing people away from your religion, not toward it ... when you act like hateful children.

"For no good tree bears bad fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit, for each tree is known by its own fruit. For figs are not gathered from thornbushes, nor are grapes picked from a bramble bush. The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks."

If you're spitting venom from your mouth, you are speaking from a place of hatred, not love. This isn't bible logic, this is the human condition. You are either trying to move the human race forward or you are holding it back. So learn to love more and hate less and get your heads out of your nether region.


Very well said good sir....
 
Since when have CEOs been expected to keep their sexuality private? Most public figures are open about their sexuality. They talk about their wives, husbands, families, lives...you just don't notice it.

For "some" reason Tims announcement stands out:eek:

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Question: When you have sex with yourself is it gay? After all it's with a person of the same gender.

Face it homophobes, you've experienced sex with the same gender. :eek::p:eek:

You must be a teacher or professor!:p
 
Right... Because gays these days don't need anyone to look up too, and bullying doesn't exist, and not one politician said just this year that gays should be stoned or rounded... So, this is obviously... Useless...

You seem to have not a clue.

Something has changed if people like you are bothered. If truly it made no difference you wouldn't hot under the collar about it.

You seem to assign emotion where there is none. If you believe my statements to be emotional, then perhaps reading the numerous other posts in here will enlighten you as to what an emotional response is.

As for children needing someone to look up to, could they not have admired a man before? Regardless of gender and sexual preference, children should be able to look up to other adults for things far more important than who they share a bed with.

No one grows up desiring to be the First Lady of the U.S. Because they admired a current First Lady who got to share a bed with a president. I would hope that they would be more inspired by the love and compassion and charity work of an individual than who they share a bed with.

By your apparent argument, Tim had no redeeming qualities for youth to admire and aspire to until he announced that he was gay. I would certainly hope that wasn't the case. And likewise, I would certainly hope that you would encourage a youth to admire the character of an individual regardless of sexual preference.

How is it equality if we preface all inspiration with the word gay? Inspiration would be that a man or a woman, or more ideally a person possessed some very admirable qualities that inspired our youth to aim for the stars.

Holding up a gay man as inspiration because he is gay serves nothing. It continues the separation. It focusses on sexual preference and not the admirable characteristics. And I certainly hope that you have more reasons to admire someone, than which gender they share their bed with.

Sexual preference does not define who someone is. It is but one detail.

As I said before, go out, spend time together, go for walks, hold hands, kiss if you like, regardless of sexual orientation. If you want equality, then do it. A straight person makes no fanfare of holding hands. It's not flaunting it in your face. They are simply sharing a moment with someone they love. And no one is stopping you from doing the same, except your own fears. Just do it, enjoy your love, and let them say what they might.

As long as everything is prefaced with the word gay, there is no equality. Stop focussing on who a person shares a bed with, and see what really matters and what really defines the person.

If being gay is all we can define Tim with, then the CEO is not worthy of inspiring our youth. I would hope our children focus as little on who he shares a bed with as I did when I watched his presentations and listened to what he had to say.
 
Westboro Baptist Church

And you know his views better, why?


I don't, I can only go off what is known about him, including his own views of himself that have come out. I understand the christian view to distance him from christianity and it could be argued he was a fundamentalist in the most horrific way. Iv seen some suggest he was against more of the church and religion but he made plenty of speeches talking about his christian views as a follower of christ.

Just because the baptist church denies the WBC any affiliation doesn't mean the WBC don't see themselves as they do.
 
I don't, I can only go off what is known about him, including his own views of himself that have come out. I understand the christian view to distance him from christianity and it could be argued he was a fundamentalist in the most horrific way. Iv seen some suggest he was against more of the church and religion but he made plenty of speeches talking about his christian views as a follower of christ.

Just because the baptist church denies the WBC any affiliation doesn't mean the WBC don't see themselves as they do.
The original claim was about the Nazis killing people in the name of religion during WWII. They did not kill anyone in the name of christianity, quite the opposite. They wanted to elliminate christianity. Hitlers personal views have nothing to do with that. It might be mentioned that in private he practiced different religions and to my knowledge (from people who knew him or were closely associated with him) he was not what would be considered a christian.
 
I'm inclined to agree that it would be preferable for the CEO of Apple to keep his public persona all about Apple. It's unfortunate that anyone feels it necessary to make a statement about their sexuality. Should not be necessary but there still is a great deal of intolerance. That's too bad.

I hope that now that Cook has made his statement his concentration is on products not social issues.

Steve was a very private person. He has been harshly criticized for that. I think Steve got it all right. Make great products and keep the focus on Apple not any particular individual.

I have not read much of this thread. It is not my intent to step on toes or make waves. I hope everyone with a clock running at Apple keeps their minds on business.

Thanks for reading.


You're welcome. Now please read this. Thank you in advance.

http://www.networkworld.com/article...-have-long-been-champions-for-gay-rights.html
 
The original claim was about the Nazis killing people in the name of religion during WWII. They did not kill anyone in the name of christianity, quite the opposite. They wanted to elliminate christianity. Hitlers personal views have nothing to do with that. It might be mentioned that in private he practiced different religions and to my knowledge (from people who knew him or were closely associated with him) he was not what would be considered a christian.



Don't start with the Hitler was a Christian crap.

Hitler said all sorts of bizare things. He and his gang of thugs were an amazing asortment of mass murdering weirdos. Hitler was a Nazi. Naziism is a religion initself. He grew up in a catholic environment but he was not a christian.


The point I was making was that he viewed himself as a christian.
 
As for children needing someone to look up to, could they not have admired a man before? Regardless of gender and sexual preference, children should be able to look up to other adults for things far more important than who they share a bed with

I'm sure Tim Cook has many admirable qualities unrelated to his sexual preference. But knowing that he has faced adversity because of his sexual preference -- and unfortunately, we live in a society where being gay does lead to much social difficulties -- knowing that he has survived adversity, and turned that hardship into a source of strength and caring, not just for gay rights but for human rights in general, makes him even more admirable, IMO. I'm sure all young people would have had cause to look up to Tim Cook before today, But now, gay young people have before them somebody who has gone through their particular set of difficulties, who is now highly regarded in society, telling them that he is proud to be gay and will no longer hide it, and that gives them hope that they should not have to hide it either.

So no, being gay by itself doesn't make Tim Cook more admirable. But that a gay man with his qualities can stand up in front of the world and say "I'm proud to be gay" -- that is deeply meaningful, for both gay and straight youths, for everyone who has lived with any form of social discrimination. And when somebody writes Tim Cook's biography, his sexuality would be just a small part of the overall story, but it will be a key part. Just as when writing a First Lady's biography, her marriage to a President wouldn't be all of the story, but it would be a significant part.
 
you gotta be a little careful with claiming atheist.. atheism is a core belief which all subsequent thoughts are based off of... much in the way that faith (or whatever) is a core belief which feeds the logic paths..

atheism is moreorless saying 'i have faith there's no god' but if you want to put it in the core belief category, you should at least be able to prove it instead of putting it there because "well, i'm not that (religious) so i must be this (atheist)"

sometimes, it's good to just float out there without feeling the need to latch on to a preconceived ideology

Good point and thanks. I'll prefer to float indeed...

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I live in Amsterdam (The Netherlands) and my wife is currently pregnant. We are attending a birthing course and 2 of the couples also attending are lesbian couples. The women became pregnant through sperm donors (obviously).

I'm happy to live in a country and city where this is percieved normal. I count these women now as friends and admire them for their choice to become parents. Knowing them well I know their children will grow up in a loving environment with everything they could possibly need.

I'm disgusted by some of the comments here from people that probably have never even talked to a gay person before or maybe have never even met one. Being gay is not contagious (it's not a choice either) and it is quite impossible to "convert" people to the "other side".

You might not be interested in them or find what they do not matching your personal belief system. But there is no need to condemn them, just because your religion or beliefs do not match. There is absolutely no need to go on the record and record your disgust or hatred. It hurts them and it doesn't bring you anything personally.
 
The point I was making was that he viewed himself as a christian.
If anyone who at one point calls themselves a christian qualifies as a christian then you are right.

Hitler wasn't very sane and he said different things at different times. He also practiced various other religions and made some up himself.
 
Thanks Tim for always being so happy! (Blast From the Past reference)

So forgive me for not reading 2k+ posts, but does this mean we get the rainbow colored Apple logo back? I've always missed that.
 
Being gay is not contagious (it's not a choice either) and it is quite impossible to "convert" people to the "other side".

Evidence please? Plenty of people have switched sides. If it's not a choice what would call those people? What would you call bi-sexual people? There's no medical evidence to substantiate the claim that someone is born gay.

Why is it necessary to rubbish the idea that it's a lifestyle choice. Is there a problem with that notion. I don't have a problem with people choosing to be gay. It's not illegal in the US/UK. I don't necessarily think it's right but I wouldn't deny anyone the choice to live their private life as they wish.
 
Nope. Nope. NOPE. Straight people don't keep their personal lives personal. They hold hands in public. They put pictures of their spouse on their desk at work. They openly use opposite-sex pronouns when recounting their weekend activities around the water cooler at work. The put stick figures of their little hetero families on their minivans. That is called heterosexual privilege, when you can be who you are without fear of negative consequences.
Um, I don't do any of that so your point is invalid. Besides, you really need to point that finger the other way, I see gay people doing this stuff all the time.
 
If anyone who at one point calls themselves a christian qualifies as a christian then you are right.

Hitler wasn't very sane and he said different things at different times. He also practiced various other religions and made some up himself.



The thing about religion, it's subjective.

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Evidence please? Plenty of people have switched sides. If it's not a choice what would call those people? What would you call bi-sexual people? There's no medical evidence to substantiate the claim that someone is born gay.

Why is it necessary to rubbish the idea that it's a lifestyle choice. Is there a problem with that notion. I don't have a problem with people choosing to be gay. It's not illegal in the US/UK. I don't necessarily think it's right but I wouldn't deny anyone the choice to live their private life as they wish.


So when did you choose you only liked the opposite sex?
 
Evidence please? Plenty of people have switched sides. If it's not a choice what would call those people? What would you call bi-sexual people? There's no medical evidence to substantiate the claim that someone is born gay.

Maybe you could switch your sexuality too then? Why did you choose to be the sexuality you are?

Why is it necessary to rubbish the idea that it's a lifestyle choice. Is there a problem with that notion. I don't have a problem with people choosing to be gay. It's not illegal in the US/UK. I don't necessarily think it's right but I wouldn't deny anyone the choice to live their private life as they wish.

Because the idea that it's a decision opens the door to some pretty terrifying possibilities and consequences, such as this ridiculous idea of 'corrective' therapy.
 
AGAIN, marriage by definition is NOT two men or two women, or two women and one man, or two men and one woman. Marriage by definition is ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN. So you have to redefine it. I could not care less who spends their life with each other and what they do in private. I believe we have the freedom in this country and given by God to do with out lives as we want.

The gay movement is completely wrong by thinking they have to be called "Married" Why is that word so important. Think about it. There is an agenda for sure.

mar·riage
ˈmerij/
noun
1.
the legally or formally recognized union of a man and a woman

Words were defined by man. Oxford Dictionaries also says "The legally or formally recognized union of a man and a woman (or, in some jurisdictions, two people of the same sex) as partners in a relationship"
The definition has changed. Hooray! Now we can all move on, can you?
 
So when did you choose you only liked the opposite sex?

Maybe you could switch your sexuality too then? Why did you choose to be the sexuality you are?

I make that choice every day, just like I choose what to wear or what to eat. If it's not a choice how do you explain bi-sexual people who are able to switch between straight and gay relationships?

There's plenty of evidence to suggest it is a choice: http://bisexual.org/famous-bisexuals/
 
Evidence please? Plenty of people have switched sides. If it's not a choice what would call those people? What would you call bi-sexual people? There's no medical evidence to substantiate the claim that someone is born gay.

Why is it necessary to rubbish the idea that it's a lifestyle choice. Is there a problem with that notion. I don't have a problem with people choosing to be gay. It's not illegal in the US/UK. I don't necessarily think it's right but I wouldn't deny anyone the choice to live their private life as they wish.

I live in Amsterdam. The gay capital of the world (with San Francisco I guess). I'm swamped in gay people. I have 5 gay colleagues in my own company (2 are married with children), and several in the company that I currently consult at. In my wider friend group there are several gay people too. Over here people are open about it, so they are attracted to Amsterdam because the openness makes it easier for people to live their lives in peace.

"Gayness" is a topic that is much discussed here now due to the fact that Islamic minorities feel the need to openly attack gays in public both verbally and physically. In these discussions I have tried to understand what it is about to be gay. There is not one, absolute not one, gay person that I know that chose to be gay. They all knew at some point that it was the case. In some cases it took longer to realise than in other cases. In none of these cases they came to the conclusion after being "infected" or "convinced". It is in their nature.

Another example. My uncle is a psychologist and detective working for the dutch police for sex crimes against children. It is pretty well established that gayism, lesbianism but also pedosexualism are sexual orientations that manifest itself during puberty the same way heterosexuality manifests itself during that time. In many cases people do not accept this and leave "closeted" lives. In some cases people decide to "come out" and live the life they were destined to do. In case of pedosexualism it is assumed that this is just as common as gayism and lesbianism, but due to the issues surrounding it many people try to live their life trying to ignore it. Some people cross the line and do the horrible things to children that we have all heard about. It is well established that these people, just like gay people cannot be "treated" psychologically to "not like" their target group. It can only work hrough chemical means by suppressing the feelings altogether.

So, TLDR. It is pretty well established that Gayism, Lesbianism etc are sexual orientations that are fixed in puberty and rarely change. If they change it is most often because people ignored those feelings before. there is no evidence that it is genetic or a brain chemical balance thing that is set at some point, but it is very much clear that it is not a choice.

I of course agree with you that everyone should live the way they choose to do. No dispute there.
 
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