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If it stops enough people around the world buying Apple products it will affect Apple's sales and revenue which will in turn affect their share price.

Like it or not homosexuality is still illegal in many countries around the world and causes hatred in many other countries. Cook has effectively outed Apple as an actively pro-gay company. Only time will tell to what extent this affects their sales and revenues. Right or wrong he's taking a risk.

http://www.networkworld.com/article...-have-long-been-champions-for-gay-rights.html



Apple has been supporting the gay community for a long time.


You never answered, do you choose to ignore attractions you have towards the same sex?
 
No matter how complicated it is, MacRumors have done it in the past just as I have said. They have proven capable of such a task. Thus putting every mention of the word gay in PRSI is totally not needed. It IS an excuse.

The reasons for moving (or posting) some threads to the PRSI forum were explained in detail in your site feedback thread from earlier this year. The answers you received back then are still applicable today and the nature of the posts made in this thread have confirmed it is in the correct forum.
 
As for children needing someone to look up to, could they not have admired a man before? Regardless of gender and sexual preference, children should be able to look up to other adults for things far more important than who they share a bed with. .

For kids who find themselves attracted to the same sex and thinking something is wrong with them, often affirmed by people who won't tolerate homosexuality, and find themselves targets of ridicule or abuse, having someone who is homosexual in a high position is an absolute inspiration.

They can look up to other adults as well, but they can really look up to someone who is like them and has been able to overcome the same hurdles they are facing. How is this, in any way, a difficult concept to grasp?

I might question why some people need to look up to an invisible being in the sky. I mean really, THAT sounds crazy to me.
 
Apple has always been a pro-gay company. Tim Cook being gay (which is nothing new, his sexuality was Silicon Valley's worst kept secret) does not change anything.

Apple will do fine even if a few bigots boycott. Where are they going to go? Android? Windows? Both Google and Microsoft have come out in favor of equality. The bigots will either have to bite the bullet and use a pro-gay company or go use technology from the same stone age where their beliefs come from.

There is a big difference between privately being gay and openly coming out all guns blazing in favour of gay rights and taking on local government.

You call people "bigots" for simply holding a different point of view. That always makes me laugh. Seems like you are the narrow minded one who cannot accept the fact that not everybody thinks the way you do.
 
But it will also incite people to buy Apple products to support Tim's coming out. And the gay population has, on average, more money than the heterosexual population...
This is very true! People in homophobe countrys can likely not afford :apple: products ... or clean water ;).
I personally don't care where Tim puts his Wiener, but I think Jobs was more of a visionary. I don't trust Tim as much.
 
I make that choice every day, just like I choose what to wear or what to eat. If it's not a choice how do you explain bi-sexual people who are able to switch between straight and gay relationships?

There's plenty of evidence to suggest it is a choice: http://bisexual.org/famous-bisexuals/

Are you serious? If you see two hot chicks walking down the street, are you not able to find both of them attractive at the same time? Would you be incapable of hooking up with both of them because you can only physically choose one at a time? Are you seriously insinuating that a person can only find one person attractive at the same time? If so, please get out more.

Saying that there are bisexuals does not prove it's a choice.
 
There is a big difference between privately being gay and openly coming out all guns blazing in favour of gay rights and taking on local government.

You call people "bigots" for simply holding a different point of view. That always makes me laugh. Seems like you are the narrow minded one who cannot accept the fact that not everybody thinks the way you do.
I agree. people have a right to dislike homosexuality as much as gays have a right to be gay.
 
Please explain to me how hom issuing a statement means he has taken his focus off of Apple. Such a ridiculous comment.

I personally think Tim did this because that guy on CNBC publicly outed Tim on live television while talking about gay CEOs. While the rest of the round table said "yeah, um, he hasn't come out", the speaker had this look of "oh crap, i just outed the CEO of Apple". It was hilariously uncomfortable.

At that point, Tim probably realized it was going to be made public at one point or another and it would be best and least distracting to the business if he did it on his own terms. He made the right call, IMO.
 
Not going to repeat or do your research for you;

here's a decent link that breaks it down.
http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html

LVic (sorry, I'm not calling you lord) you are the one making the accusations. It isn't my homework to do. But I'll meet you halfway in the spirit of goodwill. Just a quick perusal of the linked page http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html lists several prophecies that some Jews claim Jesus did not fulfill.

I'll quote the following material from http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/jewish-beliefs-on-jesus-faq.htm

"[Some] Jews say that Jesus failed to fulfill biblical prophecies that he would build a third temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28); that he would gather all Jews back to the land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6); that he would usher in an era of world peace (Isaiah 2:4) and that he would unite humanity as one (Zechariah 14:9).

Christians counter that the third temple could be symbolized by Christ's body, where all our sins were sacrificed once for all and that the rest of the prophecies will be fulfilled when Jesus returns in glory as predicted in the Book of Revelation."

If you don't like that explanation, you'll have to show why.
 
Apple has been supporting the gay community for a long time. You never answered, do you choose to ignore attractions you have towards the same sex?

I don't have any attractions towards the same sex. If I did I would have a choice to make, follow them or ignore them. Don't see why that is a problem.
 
Tim Cook, Apple's CEO just announced that he is gay.

Samsung's CEO just announced that he is even gayer with more and better gay features.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
Straight from the dictionary and 1000's of years of history:

mar·riage
ˈmerij/
noun
1.
the legally or formally recognized union of a man and a woman

You need a new dictionary
 

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I don't have any attractions towards the same sex. If I did I would have a choice to make, follow them or ignore them. Don't see why that is a problem.


So why is it so hard for you to understand that those that do have attractions to the same sex is natural to them? Just as the attractions you have to the opposite sex is natural to you.
 
This discussion has moved so far away from the essence of Tim Cook coming out, that it borders on being laughable. Beyond Mr. Cooks personal reasons, two essentials remain, which have largely been ignored.


Tim's coming out, might provide hope or a model for those gay young people who struggle with reconciling career and sexuality and the fact that ones sexual orientation need not hinder ones career advancement.

For the same reason, the second value lies in the message to Apple employees who might be LGBT and who have yet, not felt comfortable disclosing their sexuality at work, should they wish to.
 
But it will also incite people to buy Apple products to support Tim's coming out. And the gay population has, on average, more money than the heterosexual population...

Got any evidence to substantiate that ridiculous claim?

Maybe in San Francisco but certainly not everywhere else on the planet.

Maybe it will affect their sales, maybe it won't. Only time will tell.
 
There is a big difference between privately being gay and openly coming out all guns blazing in favour of gay rights and taking on local government.

You call people "bigots" for simply holding a different point of view. That always makes me laugh. Seems like you are the narrow minded one who cannot accept the fact that not everybody thinks the way you do.

People are called bigots when they hold a different point of view with discriminatory connotations about a group of people that has been proven to be false by scientific, psychiatric and social standards. Moreover, the people that ARE "bigots" aren't just holding a different point of view. They are actively acting upon that view to limits a group's freedoms, rights, benefits, judicial equality, etc. You can think homosexuals are whatever you want. That's a fundamental right that all people have: to believe foolishness without being forced to change his/her mind in the face of reality.

When you act on that thought. That's the problem. And bigots just can't seem to keep their thoughts of bigotry to themselves. They want to enforce them.
 
This deserves a more thought out response than I have the brain power for at this hour. I'll see if I can find time for it in the morning.


Jesus didn't specifically call out homosexuality in his recorded sermons. This is not in dispute. He did, however, uphold the entirety of the Old Testament (that whole, not one stroke shall pass thing ... see below for the qualifier).


Actually, you'll be hard pressed to find any mention of the OT promising eternal damnation (the Saducees didn't believe in an afterlife in fact ... and they were the leading group of Jews at Jesus's day). But Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial side of the law. After his sacrifice, there was nothing else that needed to be done in terms of ceremony. Besides which, the tired jibe of not eating shellfish applied only to Jews.

Basically, what you just said in a long winded form is that YOU believe that Jesus preached against homosexuality, but you couldn't find any examples of it except to say he woulda, coulda, shoulda if he were YOU. :D
 
What complete nonsense. Of course they choose who they want to be with.

I'm straight but I have friends who are openly bi-sexual. They don't seem to have a problem switching been men and women, and yes they are able to do both at the same time. It's clearly a conscious choice they make.

It's got nothing to do with a conscious choice!

I'm a straight man - I don't find men sexually attractive, but do find women sexually attractive: I don't choose to react like that, it just happens.

Gay men don't find women sexually attractive, but do find men sexually attractive: They don't choose to react like that, it just happens

Lesbians don't find men sexually attractive, but do find women sexually attractive: They don't choose to react like that, it just happens

Bisexuals find both men and women sexually attractive: They don't choose to react like that, it just happens

Why is that so difficult to understand?
 
I agree. people have a right to dislike homosexuality as much as gays have a right to be gay.

"Heterosexuals have a right to not be homosexual as much as gays have a right to be gay."

or

"Straights have a right to dislike homosexuality as much as gays have a right to dislike heterosexuality."

More accurate than your comment but no less ridiculous.

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It's got nothing to do with a conscious choice!

I'm a straight man - I don't find men sexually attractive, but do find women sexually attractive: I don't choose to react like that, it just happens.

Gay men don't find women sexually attractive, but do find men sexually attractive: They don't choose to react like that, it just happens

Lesbians don't find men sexually attractive, but do find women sexually attractive: They don't choose to react like that, it just happens

Bisexuals find both men and women sexually attractive: They don't choose to react like that, it just happens

Why is that so difficult to understand?

I'd give up on that one. No matter how many times you spell it out in simple english he doesn't get it.
 
Basically, what you just said in a long winded form is that YOU believe that Jesus preached against homosexuality, but you couldn't find any examples of it except to say he woulda, coulda, shoulda if he were YOU. :D

Sorry, but it seems you didn't read my other reply to you. Let me know please when you do. Here is a more thorough response for your convenience.

Jesus affirmed the whole OT. He said in Matt. 5:17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.…"

What does the law include? Verses like this one: Leviticus 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them."

So even if Jesus never specifically quoted this verse to anyone, he clearly upheld it.
 
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Um, I don't do any of that so your point is invalid. Besides, you really need to point that finger the other way, I see gay people doing this stuff all the time.

I know a gay guy who doesn't do that, so your point is invalid. :rolleyes:

You're saying that because you, yourself, never give any indication whatsoever that you do or don't have a girlfriend/wife, no pictures of her, no mention of her, never hold her hand in public, that it's proof that heterosexual people don't do that?

Only gay people hold hands in public? Only gay people keep photos of their spouse in their desk at work? Only gay people kiss in public? And if not only, is it more frequently gay people who do this? You are so full of it, it's impossible to take you seriously.
 
I know a gay guy who doesn't do that, so your point is invalid. :rolleyes:

You're saying that because you, yourself, never give any indication whatsoever that you do or don't have a girlfriend/wife, no pictures of her, no mention of her, never hold her hand in public, that it's proof that heterosexual people don't do that?

Only gay people hold hands in public? Only gay people keep photos of their spouse in their desk at work? Only gay people kiss in public? And if not only, is it more frequently gay people who do this? You are so full of it, it's impossible to take you seriously.

Can't you see their action are motivated by fear and ignorance ?
 
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