Apple CEO Tim Cook Publicly Comes Out as Gay in Letter Declaring Support for Equality

[powers74]

The new testiment doesn't state anything about homosexuality.

Wow.

Romans 1:26-27English Standard Version (ESV)

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Look, I don't hate gay people, I realize they are what they are and I'm fine with that. I just thought it was interesting that you would claim to be so enlightened and then go around dispelling misinformation.

And I'm not sure that's how you spell "testiment"

 

[bpfesq]

Got any evidence to substantiate that ridiculous claim?

Maybe in San Francisco but certainly not everywhere else on the planet.

Maybe it will affect their sales, maybe it won't. Only time will tell.

http://www.experian.com/blogs/marke...nd-of-lesbian-gay-and-heterosexual-americans/

 

[69650]

So why is it so hard for you to understand that those that do have attractions to the same sex is natural to them? Just as the attractions you have to the opposite sex is natural to you.

Fair point and I guess you could argue that some people naturally feel that way. However there are a few flaws in that argument. I'm not naturally attracted to women. I find some women attractive but equally find other women quite repulsive. How do you explain that?

I don't think it's as simple as natural selection from birth. Some men like blondes, brunettes, tall, short, slim, fat, etc. I think we are conditioned to find certain things attractive in other people. Some people chose to act on those impulses, others chose to control them and act in other ways. Either way it's still an active choice that we all make.

 

[bandrews]

There is a big difference between privately being gay and openly coming out all guns blazing in favour of gay rights and taking on local government.

You call people "bigots" for simply holding a different point of view. That always makes me laugh. Seems like you are the narrow minded one who cannot accept the fact that not everybody thinks the way you do.

It was an article that he wrote. He didn't have a broadway musical commissioned depicting his life path to be CEO of the biggest company in the world.

There were no fireworks, no choreography, no glitter or small dogs in costumes.

Just an article.

How on earth can you take issue with this section:

"I don’t consider myself an activist, but I realise how much I’ve benefited from the sacrifice of others. So if hearing that the CEO of Apple is gay can help someone struggling to come to terms with who he or she is, or bring comfort to anyone who feels alone, or inspire people to insist on their equality, then it’s worth the trade-off with my own privacy,"

But then you probably didn't read the article did you.

 

[69650]

http://www.experian.com/blogs/marke...nd-of-lesbian-gay-and-heterosexual-americans/

You think that would be repeated in South America, Asia, Africa, the Middle East, Muslim Countries?

 

[luckydcxx]

Umm...please educate yourself about majority and minority cultural dynamics before making ignorant comments.

Umm ... Did you just finish Culture 101 and think you are an expert?

 

[Phil A.]

Sorry, but it seems you didn't read my other reply to you. Let me know please when you do. Here is a more thorough response for your convenience.

Jesus affirmed the whole OT. He said in Matt. 5:17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.…"

What does the law include? Verses like this one: Leviticus 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them."

So even if Jesus never specifically quoted this verse to anyone, he clearly upheld it.

Hang on a minute - are you saying Jesus felt it was mandatory to execute people who are gay? How do you feel about that?

 

[ErikGrim]

You think that would be repeated in South America, Asia, Africa, the Middle East, Muslim Countries?

Progress happens regardless of your own views my friend. The question is this: Which side of history do you want to be on? The right or the wrong one?

 

[NY Guitarist]

Much ado about nothing.

It's just sex.

 

[bpfesq]

Wow.



Look, I don't hate gay people, I realize they are what they are and I'm fine with that. I just thought it was interesting that you would claim to be so enlightened and then go around dispelling misinformation.

And others believe Paul was talking about idolatry in that passage.

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Much ado about nothing.

It's just sex.

And once married, it isn't even about that anymore.

 

[69650]

It was an article that he wrote. He didn't have a broadway musical commissioned depicting his life path to be CEO of the biggest company in the world.

There were no fireworks, no choreography, no glitter or small dogs in costumes.

Just an article.

How on earth can you take issue with this section:

But then you probably didn't read the article did you.

He's not an activist but he publicly backs campaigns to change the law in the US states.

He's not an activist but he goes on pro-gay marches.

He's not an activist but he approves funds from Apple to support pro-gay campaign groups.

He's not an activist with an agenda my ass.

 

[Symtex]

He's not an activist but he publicly backs campaigns to change the law in the US states.

He's not an activist but he goes on pro-gay marches.

He's not an activist but he approves funds from Apple to support pro-gay campaign groups.

He's not an activist with an agenda my ass.

and how is that impacting your life on a daily basis ?

 

[ErikGrim]

Sorry, but it seems you didn't read my other reply to you. Let me know please when you do. Here is a more thorough response for your convenience.

Jesus affirmed the whole OT. He said in Matt. 5:17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.…"

What does the law include? Verses like this one: Leviticus 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them."

So even if Jesus never specifically quoted this verse to anyone, he clearly upheld it.

Please let us not get into a ****ing debate again about lobsters and mixed fabric clothing and stoning . Because, yeah, it's not pretty.

 

[Eraserhead]

Please let us not get into a ****ing debate again about lobsters and mixed fabric clothing and stoning . Because, yeah, it's not pretty.

Don't forget bacon.

 

[ErikGrim]

Don't forget bacon.

I never do.

 

[bandrews]

Fair point and I guess you could argue that some people naturally feel that way. However there are a few flaws in that argument. I'm not naturally attracted to women. I find some women attractive but equally find other women quite repulsive. How do you explain that?

I don't think it's as simple as natural selection from birth. Some men like blondes, brunettes, tall, short, slim, fat, etc. I think we are conditioned to find certain things attractive in other people. Some people chose to act on those impulses, others chose to control them and act in other ways. Either way it's still an active choice that we all make.

No.

I have run out of analogies to try to explain it to you.

 

[mdlooker]

Please explain to me how hom issuing a statement means he has taken his focus off of Apple. Such a ridiculous comment.

I wonder if he would have given this comment just before the WWDC or just before the release of the new IPhones, would there have been a distraction?? I tend to believe yes.

 

[HyperZboy]

You can't say in one sentence that Jesus held up the entirety of the OT, then turn around in the other and say part of the OT only applied to Jews. It's illogical.

Not to mention that whole part about the Jews turning in Jesus to the Romans for essentially blasphemy of the OT Jewish faith and as a traitor to the Roman empire and its stability. In the end, the Romans gave them what they wanted to just get the whole BS out of their business. They didn't see Jesus as a threat to the Roman empire. They just wanted to calm the Pharisees, their conquered people and be done with it.

I'm still waiting for a Gospel quote condemning homosexuals though. I guess no one can find one so I'll give a hint. There are none in the 4 Gospels, but there are mentions of it in some of the Letters & other NT teachings, but those are the teachings of successors and followers of Jesus & the early church, not necessarily direct quotes from Jesus himself, so therefor more subject to interpretation. There are many books & letters from the time that are accepted or not accepted by various churches and many ideas about homosexuality that evolved through time.

I know some fundamentalists who still argue about whether Noah took dinosaurs on the ark and some who don't even believe dinosaurs even existed because they are not in the Bible at all, that it's all hocus pocus made up science, but I won't get into that.

 

[ErikGrim]

I'm not sure this registers with certain conservatives or religious people, but it's actually OK to change one's mind about issues based on new information. When even Steve Jobs and the ****ing pope get this, isn't it it time it trickles down to your own simple minds?

 

[bandrews]

He's not an activist but he publicly backs campaigns to change the law in the US states.

He's not an activist but he goes on pro-gay marches.

He's not an activist but he approves funds from Apple to support pro-gay campaign groups.

He's not an activist with an agenda my ass.

Tell me, what is his "agenda"?

To me it seems like his "agenda" is equality for all.

What a nasty man he is.

 

[HyperZboy]

Sorry, but it seems you didn't read my other reply to you. Let me know please when you do. Here is a more thorough response for your convenience.

Jesus affirmed the whole OT. He said in Matt. 5:17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.…"

What does the law include? Verses like this one: Leviticus 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them."

So even if Jesus never specifically quoted this verse to anyone, he clearly upheld it.

And if Jesus had upheld all that you say, he wouldn't have been crucified then would he? Uh huh.

And let's get back to Red Lobster... I assume you eat no shellfish right? Therefor eating at Red Lobster would be a sin punishable by death according to your Jesus.

 

[wovel]

you gotta be a little careful with claiming atheist.. atheism is a core belief which all subsequent thoughts are based off of... much in the way that faith (or whatever) is a core belief which feeds the logic paths..

atheism is moreorless saying 'i have faith there's no god' but if you want to put it in the core belief category, you should at least be able to prove it instead of putting it there because "well, i'm not that (religious) so i must be this (atheist)"

sometimes, it's good to just float out there without feeling the need to latch on to a preconceived ideology

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moving on.. is mother nature a god?

Lol, what. You have to be able to prove that God doesn't exist? Do people of "faith" have to prove God does exist? The ludicrousness of that is almost impossible to fathom.

 

[bandrews]

Sorry, but it seems you didn't read my other reply to you. Let me know please when you do. Here is a more thorough response for your convenience.

Jesus affirmed the whole OT. He said in Matt. 5:17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.…"

What does the law include? Verses like this one: Leviticus 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them."

So even if Jesus never specifically quoted this verse to anyone, he clearly upheld it.

I thought there was one bit in Mark with the adulterous woman and the stoning, turning the other cheek etc etc.

That wasn't really upholding the OT - eye for an eye and all that.

 

[brianvictor7]

Hang on a minute - are you saying Jesus felt it was mandatory to execute people who are gay? How do you feel about that?

I quote from John chapter 8

At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women.Now what do you say?” 6They were using this question as a trap,in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11“No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,”Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

Why didn't Jesus have the Jews stone the immoral woman? He was within his rights to command it. Because where Justice allows Mercy to be shown, God prefers that. There is also the fact that no doubt many of the accusing Jews had committed sins that were also worthy of death under the Law made their intention of carrying out the death sentence highly hypocritcal. Fortunately, Jesus was in a position to pardon the woman.

Jesus teaches that anyone who commits sin is worthy of death, but he does not want us to die. That is why he took our just punishment on the cross. He paid the honor debt due to God for our willfully vile and hurtful behavior. But we cannot benefit from that sacrifice unless we admit our sinfulness and turn away (repent) from our wrong doing.

So to sort of answer your baited question: I feel saddened that death is the sentence for all sin and glad that Jesus has made it possible for us to live if we submit to his commands.

 

[iBlazed]

I quote from John chapter 8

At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women.Now what do you say?” 6They were using this question as a trap,in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11“No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,”Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

Why didn't Jesus have the Jews stone the immoral woman? He was within his rights to command it. Because where Justice allows Mercy to be shown, God prefers that. There is also the fact that the Jews had committed sins that were also worthy of death under the law.

Jesus teaches that anyone who commits sin is worthy of death, but he does not want us to die. That is why he took our just punishment on the cross. He paid the honor debt due to God for our willfully vile and hurtful behavior. But we cannot benefit from that sacrifice unless we admit our sinfulness and turn away (repent) from our wrong doing.

But what about people who don't believe in YOUR religion and don't accept it as truth? It's nothing personal, I don't believe in the tooth fairy either.