Apple CEO Tim Cook Publicly Comes Out as Gay in Letter Declaring Support for Equality

[chown33]

For the record the Lennon thing is dead.

The divine origin for morals is something I need more time than I currently have tonight to address, but any man-made source of morals falls apart under the great Why Should I test. It is only in God that we can hope to get a "Because I said so" that can last.

Which requires everyone to agree on which God.

I think we've seen how well that works out in practical terms.

Notice that I'm not saying you aren't free to believe that only a moral code that comes from your God is the only lasting moral code. I'm just saying that I'm not convinced, and the First Amendment says that I'm free to be unconvinced, just as you are free to be convinced. Seems like a fair law to me.

I'm also not saying that there aren't good moral values to be found in some religious precepts. The Golden Rule is a pretty good example of that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule

I, for one, am perfectly willing to let you practice your religion within the limits of civil law. Likewise, I expect you to act in a reciprocal manner.

 

[HyperZboy]

Which Church do you belong to?

I'm a particular fan of Betty Bowers

Betty Bowers

In all seriousness though, I don't believe in a god therefore I don't believe homosexuality is a sin so I am not a sinner. I'm by no means perfect and have done a few things I regret but the fact that I'm going to go home tonight and cook a rather mediocre meal for my (homosexual) partner who has spent 12 hours curing the sick (possibly more effectively than Jesus did by using antibiotics and stuff) then watch a BBC4 documentary about some ancient civilisation before going to bed and listening to a podcast on the history of Germany hardly warrants pigeon holing me with murderers and rapists.

BrianVictor7 is too busy watching his neighbors for indecent thoughts and Red Lobster coupons in the mail.

 

[Lictor]

Got any evidence to substantiate that ridiculous claim?
Maybe in San Francisco but certainly not everywhere else on the planet.

It's so ridiculous that everyone in marketing knows that - why do you think they target the gay community so much?
Just think two seconds: in most of the world, woman received an inferior pay even when they have the same qualifications or job as a man. In the majority of couples, the woman has a significantly lower salary than the man. So, in an heterosexual couple, the woman will lower the average income of the couple.

An homosexual couple replaces a woman with inferior wages by a man with normal wages. Moreover, due to legislation, gay couples have on average less children than heterosexual couples - even if they adopt or use a surrogate mother when it's legal, it's a long process that makes it difficult to have a lot of children and it also means that they will have children later.
That's why gay couples have more available income on average than heterosexual couples : two men with better salaries and less children to spend money on.

 

[Lictor]

Sooooo, what does the amygdala do in the non-religious or atheists?

It prevents COBOL programmers from learning a modern programming language... It makes politician think that if they didn't work the first 999 times, their ideas will certainly work the 1000 time. I also suspect it fuels fanboyism... There is a biais in the brain that makes us reluctant to change our ways of thinking (it's called Einstellung).
The good news is that if we someday find a cure for that, we will probably eradicate both fanboyism and religion at the same time.

 

[TheRealTVGuy]

I wonder if the Samsung CEO will suddenly become gay too.

You win the internet. This one made me laugh out loud for the first time in days.

 

[grahamperrin]

Environmental concerns … puzzling to see such things in a topic about coming out and equality. And (sorry) I don't plan to plough or search through the thousands of posts. My vegetarianism is probably good for the planet. Less cow gas, and all that. If a more serious observation is expected from me, it'll be in an appropriate topic.

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Nothing like a thread about someone being gay to bring out the caveman attitudes at MacRumors.

Barney Rubble. Adorable, in the cartoon. Not in a gay way. Something about his voice.

Moving on from cavemen, to spaceman attitudes. In my twenties I enjoyed an infatuation with Mitch Morgan in Rocky Star (that's him on the right)

… a retro black-and-white visual style and actors lip-synching to the original soundtrack …​

Randomly yesterday my iPhone played 'There's No You', which featured in one of the episodes. It truly was outstanding lip-synching by Kerry Fox. I might drop her a line.

 

[dec.]

Good for him; I just wish he didn't invoke God in his letter. God most certainly did NOT "bless" him with being gay.

He most certainly thinks that "god" did bless him, you most certainly think that "god" didn't bless him. And I most certainly think that "god" is a joke. Isn't it great that we all have different takes on this stuff? Why would the mentioning of his "god" make you wish that he hadn't mentioned him in first place?! Get over yourself, your own small personal "belief" isn't relevant enough for everyone else to follow its rules.

 

[brianvictor7]

I, for one, am perfectly willing to let you practice your religion within the limits of civil law. Likewise, I expect you to act in a reciprocal manner.

I think we can both agree on this.

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That's the thing. While you can claim to trust in God, His institutions here on earth have far short of their lofty boss' standards in the past, and have at times acted just as terribly as the worst governments of the world.

Not in dispute. One of the biggest problems with having sinners for followers is that they are works in progress.

I would say that it's never wise to pin your morality to one source, and trust in it unerringly. It's wiser instead to believe in the inherit dignity of all people, and that everyone deserves their modicum of respect. If morality is transcendent as you say, then any act of goodwill will flow from God, regardless of if its in His name or not.

There is some truth in your last sentence. It is an essential aspect of Christianity to respect one another's dignity as well (something I gratefully perceive from you in our discussion, thanks). Unless we have one standard for morality, however, it will always be shifting according to human whims.

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BrianVictor7 is too busy watching his neighbors for indecent thoughts and Red Lobster coupons in the mail.

I've been polite to you and I've shown you the Scriptures and connected the dots for you. I'm saddened to see you resorting to mockery and false accusations. I wish you well, but I don't see anything further for you an I to discuss on this topic.

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It is loving. You might have been conditioned to "believe" that your unicorn does not like it, but that's completely irrelevant. People like you are the picture perfect example for "religion" being one of the most disgusting concepts to control people. I feel very, very sorry for people like you who will never have the potential to explore individuality.

Edit: By the way - this is not "intolerance" but a plain reaction to your disgusting, judgemental views. "It is not loving"... I'm glad that *******s like you are the ones being left behind in all the current social and political developments.

You are privileged to mock if you so choose.

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Complete and total ignorance on display here.

I don't know what else to say.

If reality is that there is a God and He's decreed that homosexuality is wrong, then it is very unloving to engage in homosexual relations. That is not ignorance, it is logic based on a falsifiable premise. The only catch is that the premise can only be proven or disproven after we're dead.

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I am still curious to understand how two loving consent adult wanted to live and share a live together is impacting your daily life? Whether it is 2 man or 2 woman.

I have answered this elsewhere. Long and short: Sexual Immorality, which Homosexuality gets lumped in, is the cause of tremendous, measurable harm. Anything which approves of it contributes to that harm. Venereal diseases is just one example of such harm. No one lives so isolated that they don't contribute to the mood and views of society. Every raindrop contributes to the flood.

 

[mudslag]

For the record the Lennon thing is dead.

The divine origin for morals is something I need more time than I currently have tonight to address, but any man-made source of morals falls apart under the great Why Should I test. It is only in God that we can hope to get a "Because I said so" that can last.

You're as foolish as your comment sounds if you think only morals can come from a god. Something as simple as 'I dont want to be hurt by someone so I shouldn't hurt someone else' is more then a simple enough conclusion man can come to on our own. Man doesn't need a god to conclude that.

 

[brianvictor7]

You're as foolish as your comment sounds if you think only morals can come from a god. Something as simple as 'I dont want to be hurt by someone so I shouldn't hurt someone else' is more then a simple enough conclusion man can come to on our own. Man doesn't need a god to conclude that.

You can come up with "morals" from anything you like. The questions is why should anyone follow them? You example, "I dont want to be hurt by someone so I shouldn't hurt someone else' could very easily be countered by a sociopath with, "I don't want to be hurt by someone so I should hurt him first." Which moral should we follow? Who is going to be the referee? And why should said referee be in charge in the first place? There is always someone with a bigger stick, except God (if he exists).

 

[iLunar]

I've written repeatedly in this forum where the Scripture says homosexuality is a sin (Lev 20), where Jesus affirms the OT Law (Matt 5) noted that there are ceremonial, judicial/civil and moral laws in the OT, noted that the ceremonial and judicial 1) only applied to the Jews (this is a very basic Jewish and Christian doctrine). and 2) shown how in Acts 15 it is was strictly forbidden to force the Gentiles (all non-jews) from being held to the ceremonial and judicial laws. Moreover, gentiles were explicitly told in Acts 15 to abstain from sexual immorality, of which homosexuality would have been inescapably understood to be included based on the context of Acts 15.

Based on YOUR interpretation. There are many other interpretations of this bible. Billions of people do not subscribe to your interpretation. Tim Cook does not subscribe to your interpretation. That doesn't make him a sinner or any less of a human being than you.

I don't think you have the authority to call anyone else a sinner. You're not God. Worry about your own sins, and according to YOUR scripture, you have many.

 

[mudslag]

I have answered this elsewhere. Long and short: Sexual Immorality, which Homosexuality gets lumped in, is the cause of tremendous, measurable harm. Anything which approves of it contributes to that harm. Venereal diseases is just one example of such harm. No one lives so isolated that they don't contribute to the mood and views of society. Every raindrop contributes to the flood.

And yet again sexual immorality is subjective. What you deem as immoral, does not mean the next person deems it the same way. STDs are universal and no way limited to any one sexual group, making any arguments against any particular group just silly.

 

[brianvictor7]

Based on YOUR interpretation. There are many other interpretations of this bible. Billions of people do not subscribe to your interpretation. Tim Cook does not subscribe to your interpretation. That doesn't make him a sinner or any less of a human being than you.

I don't think you have the authority to call anyone else a sinner. You're not God. Worry about your own sins, and according to YOUR scripture, you have many.

An abundance of interpretations on Scriptures does not mean that any or all are correct. If you think mine is in error, show me how, using the text. Billions of people have been wrong about a great many things so I hope you don't take comfort in being part of the herd. Tim Cook, for all that I admire the man, is still a sinner in need of repentance and Christ.

Why do you think I don't have the authority to call anyone else a sinner? Do you have any Scriptures to back you up? Do you think you can handle them correctly? If you use any to show that I don't have authority, then what gives you the authority to correct me?

God commands me to speak the truth and since He has said all have sinned and fall short of His glory. Am I to lie about what I believe?

 

[.Andy]

Tidy work Mr Cook.

 

[\-V-/]

Over 2,300 posts ... and I bet if all the hypocritical, moronic, hateful ... and overall disheartening comments were removed, it would probably be less than 100. It is heartbreaking to see how low some of you people can be ... and the fact that you are okay with this. There really are no words to describe how vile you appear from the outside looking in ... but you should really be ashamed of yourselves. It is none of your business how other people live their lives as long as it isn't harming anyone else. That is a universal truth. Seriously ... find something better to do with your lives than making other people's lives miserable. I don't know what kind of upbringing you had ... but something went severely wrong down the road to "adulthood." You guys have a lot of learning and growing to do ... and I fear you may never change because you have utterly convinced yourselves that your hatefulness is somehow God's calling. It isn't, I assure you. Your actions are a disgrace to humankind ... and I truly hope that someday you guys can find it within yourselves to see that what you're doing causes more harm than good ... and that you will be humbled ... and you will change. But I really don't see that happening. I'm not even angry at you guys ... I'm just saddened ... truly ... that people can be this blind.

 

[dec.]

You are privileged to mock if you so choose.

Hello?! I didn't mock. "God" is for some that what "Unicorns" are for others or are you one of those fundamentalists that put their own mythological "belief" above all?! Love and accept everyone .

I stand to my point that I find your conclusions disgusting, misanthropic and detached from reality. You stick to what you were told to "believe" about "hell", "god" etc.. The nice thing is that it will not change a thing about same sex couples loving each other and enjoying the benefits of a progressive society and even plain boring day-to-day life. My husband and I are going into our 9th wedding anniversary in a few months, if someone like you comes up and says "it's not love, because 'god'!" , I couldn't laugh more.

Stop judging others because of your own personal "belief", it really makes you an extremely antisocial person who doesn't appear to have the ability to think for himself. You cannot stop or reverse gay marriage. And who the **** cares if you think that "'god' will hate you all !!!!!"?!

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An abundance of interpretations on Scriptures does not mean that any or all are correct. If you think mine is in error, show me how, using the text. Billions of people have been wrong about a great many things so I hope you don't take comfort in being part of the herd. Tim Cook, for all that I admire the man, is still a sinner in need of repentance and Christ.

Why do you think I don't have the authority to call anyone else a sinner? Do you have any Scriptures to back you up? Do you think you can handle them correctly? If you use any to show that I don't have authority, then what gives you the authority to correct me?

God commands me to speak the truth and since He has said all have sinned and fall short of His glory. Am I to lie about what I believe?

Why can't you just keep it to yourself? why would you care what other people believe? Just leave people alone, nobody cares about your own personal "belief".

 

[mudslag]

You can come up with "morals" from anything you like. The questions is why should anyone follow them? You example, "I dont want to be hurt by someone so I shouldn't hurt someone else' could very easily be countered by a sociopath with, "I don't want to be hurt by someone so I should hurt him first." Which moral should we follow? Who is going to be the referee? And why should said referee be in charge in the first place? There is always someone with a bigger stick, except God (if he exists).

Sociopaths don't think in a rational manner, they for the most part have mental disorders. They already are unable to distinguish between the moral lines. It doesn't matter if you think morals come from god or the cookie monster, sociopaths can and/or will act in an immoral way.

Morals change over time, society as a whole tend to be the judges of that. Homosexuality is far more accepted today then it was say 50, 200, 1000 years ago. As long as the trend continues, it will be more accepted in 20 yrs then it is even now. That is a prime example of a moral change in society. Then again it also depends on where in the world we are talking about. It's far more accepted in modern western countries then it is in third world countries. Slavery is another example of what was morally acceptable. Even different aspects of marriage listed from your own bible that are no longer accepted today are example of changes.

 

[RebornProphet]

Some of the comments in this thread do nothing more than highlight what a brainwashed and hateful bunch some religious types are. A damning example of humanity, hating on people because a make believe man in a book full of fairy tales has you so frightened.

People mention "God" and think the word allows fairy tales to be taken as gospel, it's hilarious. Santa Claus is more believable than Moses parting the sea for example. The return of Optimus Prime after his death in the Transformers animated movie is more believable than a man being crucified and then rising to roll away a big stone. Honestly, you people probably dispel more believable tales in your day to day lives yet hang on every word of the Bible.

We are here for a good time, not a long time. Live and let live. To allow a book of fairy tales to dictate who you love, hate, etc is idiotic. Love thy neighbour ... unless they love another man of course. Hypocrites.

 

[mudslag]

An abundance of interpretations on Scriptures does not mean that any or all are correct. If you think mine is in error, show me how, using the text. Billions of people have been wrong about a great many things so I hope you don't take comfort in being part of the herd. Tim Cook, for all that I admire the man, is still a sinner in need of repentance and Christ.

And we are now back to the 'bible is subjective'. There is a reason there are so many different religious sects out there, because everyone's interpretation of the scripture is subjective. No one can prove the other wrong because of that very subjective view.

Why do you think I don't have the authority to call anyone else a sinner? Do you have any Scriptures to back you up? Do you think you can handle them correctly? If you use any to show that I don't have authority, then what gives you the authority to correct me?

something something Matthew 7:1-3 something something

God commands me to speak the truth and since He has said all have sinned and fall short of His glory. Am I to lie about what I believe?

That seems a bit delusional in thinking.

 

[brianvictor7]

Hello?! I didn't mock. "God" is for some that what "Unicorns" are for others or are you one of those fundamentalists that put their own mythological "belief" above all?! Love and accept everyone .

I stand to my point that I find your conclusions disgusting, misanthropic and detached from reality. You stick to what you were told to "believe" about "hell", "god" etc.. The nice thing is that it will not change a thing about same sex couples loving each other and enjoying the benefits of a progressive society and even plain boring day-to-day life. My husband and I are going into our 9th wedding anniversary in a few months, if someone like you comes up and says "it's not love, because 'god'!" , I couldn't laugh more.

Stop judging others because of your own personal "belief", it really makes you an extremely antisocial person who doesn't appear to have the ability to think for himself. You cannot stop or reverse gay marriage. And who the **** cares if you think that "'god' will hate you all !!!!!"?!

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Why can't you just keep it to yourself? why would you care what other people believe? Just leave people alone, nobody cares about your own personal "belief".

"Why can't you just keep it to yourself?" This is what I have been asking for the all sexually immoral people to at least have the decency to do, but they are without shame.

You said, "Stop judging others because of your own personal "belief"" I am curious as to why you feel privileged to do something while forbidding me to do it? When you say, "I stand to my point that I find your conclusions disgusting, misanthropic and detached from reality." are you judging me by your personal belief?

You tell me to "Love and accept everyone " Why can't you love and accept me for believing what I believe?

Do you see the inherent incoherence of your arguments?

The greatest lie in this forum is that sexual immorality, defined as sex outside of heterosexual marriage, is harmless. If it is harmless, why do we have an AIDS epidemic which destroys countless lives each year? Sleeping around is not harmless and anything which tries to legitimize that is only perpetrating the harm. The vast majority of the Homosexuality Community has and will continue to support the tragic (demonstrable with a body count) notion that people can do sexually what they please so long as it doesn't intentionally harm anyone. It is hateful (unloving) to not name Sexual Immorality as defined by the Bible for what it is: a grievous, terrible thing that we must turn away from. Otherwise we continue to condemn many lives to early deaths by disease, to broken homes, to broken lives, all because we have this selfish notion that our sexual urges excuse our recklessness.

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Over 2,300 posts ... and I bet if all the hypocritical, moronic, hateful ... and overall disheartening comments were removed, it would probably be less than 100. It is heartbreaking to see how low some of you people can be ... and the fact that you are okay with this. There really are no words to describe how vile you appear from the outside looking in ... but you should really be ashamed of yourselves. It is none of your business how other people live their lives as long as it isn't harming anyone else. That is a universal truth. Seriously ... find something better to do with your lives than making other people's lives miserable. I don't know what kind of upbringing you had ... but something went severely wrong down the road to "adulthood." You guys have a lot of learning and growing to do ... and I fear you may never change because you have utterly convinced yourselves that your hatefulness is somehow God's calling. It isn't, I assure you. Your actions are a disgrace to humankind ... and I truly hope that someday you guys can find it within yourselves to see that what you're doing causes more harm than good ... and that you will be humbled ... and you will change. But I really don't see that happening. I'm not even angry at you guys ... I'm just saddened ... truly ... that people can be this blind.

The greatest lie in this forum is that sexual immorality, defined as sex outside of heterosexual marriage, is harmless. If it is harmless, why do we have an AIDS epidemic which destroys countless lives each year? Sleeping around is not harmless and anything which tries to legitimize that is only perpetrating the harm. The vast majority of the Homosexuality Community has and will continue to support the tragic (demonstrable with a body count) notion that people can do sexually what they please so long as it doesn't intentionally harm anyone. It is hateful (unloving) to not name Sexual Immorality as defined by the Bible for what it is: a grievous, terrible thing that we must turn away from. Otherwise we continue to condemn many lives to early deaths by disease, to broken homes, to broken lives, all because we have this selfish notion that our sexual urges excuse our recklessness.

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something something Matthew 7:1-3 something something

Here is the full text:
7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

I'm glad you listed all three verses mudslag. Note that this is a caution: if you judge, you will be held to the same standard. See verse 3? Is it forbidding you from helping your brother? No. It is telling us to fix our problems so that we will be able to help one another. In practice we all have sins in our lives that we must work on. Be careful of reading the Scriptures uncritically.

Jesus also said in Matthew 28:19ff
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

So here I am teaching you to obey Christ: sin no more.

 

[RebornProphet]

"Why can't you just keep it to yourself?" This is what I have been asking for the all sexually immoral people to at least have the decency to do, but they are without shame.

You said, "Stop judging others because of your own personal "belief"" I am curious as to why you feel privileged to do something while forbidding me to do it? When you say, "I stand to my point that I find your conclusions disgusting, misanthropic and detached from reality." are you judging me by your personal belief?

You tell me to "Love and accept everyone " Why can't you love and accept me for believing what I believe?

Do you see the inherent incoherence of your arguments?

The greatest lie in this forum is that sexual immorality, defined as sex outside of heterosexual marriage, is harmless. If it is harmless, why do we have an AIDS epidemic which destroys countless lives each year? Sleeping around is not harmless and anything which tries to legitimize that is only perpetrating the harm. The vast majority of the Homosexuality Community has and will continue to support the tragic (demonstrable with a body) notion that people can do sexually what they please so long as it doesn't intentionally harm anyone. It is the height of unloving, the height of hateful, to not name Sexual Immorality as defined by the Bible for what it is: a grievous, terrible thing that we must turn away from. Otherwise we continue to condemn many lives to early deaths by disease, to broken homes, to broken lives, all because we have this selfish notion that our sexual urges excuse our recklessness.

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The greatest lie in this forum is that sexual immorality, defined as sex outside of heterosexual marriage, is harmless. If it is harmless, why do we have an AIDS epidemic which destroys countless lives each year? Sleeping around is not harmless and anything which tries to legitimize that is only perpetrating the harm. The vast majority of the Homosexuality Community has and will continue to support the tragic (demonstrable with a body) notion that people can do sexually what they please so long as it doesn't intentionally harm anyone. It is the height of unloving, the height of hateful, to not name Sexual Immorality as defined by the Bible for what it is: a grievous, terrible thing that we must turn away from. Otherwise we continue to condemn many lives to early deaths by disease, to broken homes, to broken lives, all because we have this selfish notion that our sexual urges excuse our recklessness.

So you think that all these people who live in man/woman relationships are good people and gays are evil who don't think about their actions because they're not harming anyone?

News flash, my Mum and Dad were married when they had me. My Father was a wife beating alcoholic who I've not seen since I was 11 (I'm 35 now). My Mother worked late as a nurse at a local hospital and when she was out he'd beat me, starve me, eat all the biscuits in the cupboards and blame me. I ended up malnourished and almost died aged 10 and had to be hospitalised to be given the nutrients I needed.

He is an example to me of what not to be, I don't need a make believe God to do that. I have my Mother's nature and her inner strength, I'm married myself now and love my wife dearly. However, I work with a gay man who is married (yes MARRIED) to his long term partner and have a child. I can guarantee that that child will have a far happier and safer upbringing with those two gay men than I ever did in your God-sanctioned man/woman Union.

Your man/woman Union is NOT the prime example of the perfect family. Far from it.

 

[iwan073]

As a gay man, I didn't know that there were speculations about him being gay.

As a heterosexual man, I didn't know there were speculations either

 

[mudslag]

The greatest lie in this forum is that sexual immorality, defined as sex outside of heterosexual marriage, is harmless. If it is harmless, why do we have an AIDS epidemic which destroys countless lives each year? Sleeping around is not harmless and anything which tries to legitimize that is only perpetrating the harm. The vast majority of the Homosexuality Community has and will continue to support the tragic (demonstrable with a body) notion that people can do sexually what they please so long as it doesn't intentionally harm anyone. It is the height of unloving, the height of hateful, to not name Sexual Immorality as defined by the Bible for what it is: a grievous, terrible thing that we must turn away from. Otherwise we continue to condemn many lives to early deaths by disease, to broken homes, to broken lives, all because we have this selfish notion that our sexual urges excuse our recklessness.

1. Yet again it has to be pointed out to you that sexual immorality is subjective. What you deem immoral does not make it the same for the next person.

2. STD/AIDS affect everyone, not just homosexuals. It's also far more controllable today then it was 20 yrs ago. It's not destroying any where near as many lives as it did 20 yrs ago.

3. Sleeping around is another subjective view when it comes to the moral view. If you don't like sleeping around, dont do it, but your view stops with you.

4. Sexually doing what people please is far from limited to the homosexual community. Trying to pigeonhole any of these points to just the homosexual community shows just how ignorant you are of the real world.

5. Any view of sexual immorality from the bible is for those that live by the bible and even among those people it will still be a small percentage that truly follow that line of thinking. Shockingly there are a few billion people on this planet that don't live by the bible. It's not your place to push people to follow that view.

6. You might also find this shocking, you can live a promiscuous lifestyle and remain STD free. Education and proper protection can keep you disease free. You don't have to break up someone's home or life and still be sexually free to do as you please. You live a very sheltered sad world if you truly believe the nonsense you just posted.

 

[.Andy]

"Why can't you just keep it to yourself?" This is what I have been asking for the all sexually immoral people to at least have the decency to do, but they are without shame.

I am sexually immoral with myself in private regularly. Sometimes twice a day. It's nothing to be ashamed about.

 

[brianvictor7]

Sociopaths don't think in a rational manner, they for the most part have mental disorders.

I'm sure many sociopaths would disagree (which is part of what makes them that by our definition).

They already are unable to distinguish between the moral lines. It doesn't matter if you think morals come from god or the cookie monster, sociopaths can and/or will act in an immoral way.

You're applying your moral standard to them. Why do you think you or anyone else has that authority?

Morals change over time, society as a whole tend to be the judges of that. Homosexuality is far more accepted today then it was say 50, 200, 1000 years ago. As long as the trend continues, it will be more accepted in 20 yrs then it is even now. That is a prime example of a moral change in society. Then again it also depends on where in the world we are talking about. It's far more accepted in modern western countries then it is in third world countries. Slavery is another example of what was morally acceptable. Even different aspects of marriage listed from your own bible that are no longer accepted today are example of changes.

Why should a given moral be adhered to? Who should decide which we should follow?