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Putting the Globe, illegal immigrants and lazy People in front of hard working Americans is the reason why Trump won and will continue to win. We love you President Donald J. Trump.

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Trump had nearly 3,000,000 less votes in the election. He won because of gullible people like you and the electoral college system. He won because the people of Michigan who the Republicans would have gladly thrown under the bus by not bailing out GM, believed Trump lies. That's right they voted in the party who didn't want to save their jobs over the party who actually did. Who are these lazy people to whom you refer. People who work hard but have no health insurance or who make so little they can't save for a retirement? How many elderly do you think would make it without Social Security and Medicare. Those are Democrat programs and ones the GOP and Trump would like nothing more than to tear down
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In the west, those who hold fast to the ideal of a more pure capitalist society, often repeat that if a government raises taxes, those companies would leave for greener pastures elsewhere, thus pushing government to lower taxes and provide a more favourable economic climate.

Same could be done for society well being. If Apple were truly offfended by China's human rights issues, they could tell the Chinese government the same thing they tell western.

Change it, or we will find somewhere better.

But they won't because Apple and others are more than happy to take advantage of these lower standards of living and humanitarian issues if it provides greater profit,

that's scummy. And it's a black mark on all companies who not only participate in the hypocrisy, but even more embarrassing for Cook who speaks about it, but refuses to play hardball.

Again, Cook has a right to speak out on American Politics, just as other CEO's do. He has an opinion. Apple didn't just start using China for it's manufacturing. It's been doing it for years. Sure, he could move manufacturing to another locale but he couldn't do it overnight without cratering the company. You think he should walk away from selling Apple products in China? Would other companies do this?
Again part of the problem is not having a trained work force here. We've been debating school vouchers and subsidies for private education when we should have invested in retraining programs and vo-tech programs that teach the kind of skills needed in the modern world. Manufacturing is going to become more automated and robotic over the coming years. What are we doing to help people acquire the skills to do this?


The sad thing is that the gullible left has accused Trump of trying to control the media when what he has actually done is made the press room more open to a wider range of media sources. A few old guard got booted to make room for a more balanced press room is a good thing for America.

You truly live in a fantasy world. Trump is a liar. He is the biggest progenitor of "fake news" and made up ("alternative") facts. He is the master at manipulating the media.

Don't make this a lib v conservative debate.

Even many liberals are sick and tired of a few rich elite people making this world their playground at the expense of everyone else.

Anyone who is a real liberal, believes that every human being is equally deserving of their human rights. Never mind the fact that under liberalism, there's a leaning towards socialism, which is extremely counter to allowing elite rich to rule the world.

You're confusions aren't unreasonable though if you believe that the democrats are liberal. They're not. They're centrists who are still on the right of the political spectrum, who have let their corporate masters rule the roost. But the democrats are not liberals,

Even many liberals? I think you're confused bro. Republicans are the "corporate masters". The uber-wealthy elite are Republicans. (Trump's cabinet and advisors). Liberals are sick of the growing income inequality. Conservatives welcome it.

In general it is shocking to see so many people on MacRumors actually believe anything Trump says. (The dumbing of America) He's not draining the swamp on Wall Street. He's not going to give Americans the best healthcare. He's not bringing jobs back in any significant numbers. His tax plans won't benefit the broad middle class. They will benefit the wealthy. His protectionist ideas will not help the American workforce and the middle class.
 
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Elites ARE psychopathic satanic worshippers. And then some. With a different set of principles and moral compass from the average hard working citizen. As a serious understatement and euphemism.

So glad other people 'see' it and are in touch.

MR is surprisingly quite enlightened. Love it
It's so rare I see that stated so directly on a non-conspiracy site or non er...pizza-related discussion. I remember when I first ran into these accusations about the "real agenda" behind globalism, which was not that long ago. I wanted to sleep with the lights on and a teddy bear. :confused:

I know some politically connected people who are good decent people, which is why most of my life I took everything at face value and am still not completely convinced of the darker conspiracies. So I'm presuming by "elite" you mean people we wouldn't likely run into shopping for their own groceries.
 
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I entered the Apple ecosystem back in 1983, and I've been a staunch supporter and satisfied customer ever since. However, his speech reminds me of the introduction to the television series 'Colony.' I don't mind that Tim Cook is gay or that he seems to embrace communism. What concerns me, is his lack of leadership and technical skills, and vision for Apple and its product line.
 
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Apple needs a CEO that runs the company and grow it. Tim is all about his personal agenda.

Tim Cook is not all about his personal agenda. He's the CEO of one of the most successful companies on the planet. He is not the sole owner. He is not the sole manager. He serves at the pleasure of his board and the shareholders. Last I looked Apple just hit another all time high.

Maybe some of Mr. Cook's critics are all about their own personal agendas when they criticize Mr. Cook's public stance about anything, whether it's Apple's gear, its keynote presentations, its software, the color of the sky over Cupertino or what Cook has said about respect for diversity in American life. Such critics need to recognize that their own feelings are their own feelings, and need not project them onto Apple's board of directors, the shareholders, or other users of Apple product lines.
 
Please name for me one product Tim has created? He's a master manager but Apple's success was built upon the passion and product creativity of Steve jobs. Apple needs a visionary.... and I'm not talking about envisioning a global monopoly that makes obscene profits exploiting global economic imbalances. I'm not talking about having grand visions of leveraging Apples extreme wealth and position providing jet-fuel to some grand social/political think tank run by a SJW oligarch. The time has past for that and people's patience is wearing thin. I believe the truth is, Apple leadership is spinning it's wheels and hasn't a clue WTF their next big thing ought to be. Of course, I might be wrong but something mighty dysfunctional is going on over in Cupertino. Jobs had alot of hutspa but was teachable. Cook comes off like an arrogant, superior, self-righteous know it all. Ive seems like an OCD obesessive that can't see the forest for the trees. Job's made it all work. Without a capable visionary it's nothing but incremental iteration and that's not enough to cut it. I hope I'm wrong but if Apple can't jump the curve they are soon headed to irrelevance. No fancy, billion dollar, office building is going to solve it. It will just keep everybody in a fantasy bubble insulated from the harsh reality of their post-Jobs decline.
 
I entered the Apple ecosystem back in 1983, and I've been a staunch supporter and satisfied customer ever since. However, his speech reminds me of the introduction to the television series 'Colony.' I don't mind that Tim Cook is gay or that he seems to embrace communism. What concerns me, is his lack of leadership and technical skills, and vision for Apple and its product line.

Really... You mean Cook's espousing the abolition of private property?

Or the confiscation of land owned by individuals to benefit of the state? Or perhaps you were thinking about his strong views on government ownership of agriculture and its means of production? Ditto with respect to state ownership of factories and manufacturing?

Or... are you speaking to his his views on regional planning and setting goals and quotas? Perhaps it's government controlled labor - yes, I'm sure he'd be for that!

Or maybe it's Cook's firmly held belief that the government should distribute resources, goods, and food to every citizen equally. Finally... a policy of iPhones for all. Yay!

Or... Maybe you know very little about what Communism really is.
 
Please name for me one product Tim has created? He's a master manager but Apple's success was built upon the passion and product creativity of Steve jobs. Apple needs a visionary.... and I'm not talking about envisioning a global monopoly that makes obscene profits exploiting global economic imbalances. I'm not talking about having grand visions of leveraging Apples extreme wealth and position providing jet-fuel to some grand social/political think tank run by a SJW oligarch. The time has past for that and people's patience is wearing thin. I believe the truth is, Apple leadership is spinning it's wheels and hasn't a clue WTF their next big thing ought to be. Of course, I might be wrong but something mighty dysfunctional is going on over in Cupertino. Jobs had alot of hutspa but was teachable. Cook comes off like an arrogant, superior, self-righteous know it all. Ive seems like an OCD obesessive that can't see the forest for the trees. Job's made it all work. Without a capable visionary it's nothing but incremental iteration and that's not enough to cut it. I hope I'm wrong but if Apple can't jump the curve they are soon headed to irrelevance. No fancy, billion dollar, office building is going to solve it. It will just keep everybody in a fantasy bubble insulated from the harsh reality of their post-Jobs decline.

The Apple of today needs a master manager. You can hire visionaries and designers and coders and people to answer the phone if God ever calls... Managing was so not Jobs' gig that he was invited to leave over it. Yes he came back and saved its ass by having far better ideas for product than Sculley ever dreamed of creating.

But that was the Apple of then in the markets of then and this is the Apple of today in global competition and mass producing stuff in multiple product lines at scales even Jobs only imagined could happen. Well they're happening, and not without glitches. So what? Everyone takes a pratfall now and then. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

It's nice we got the iPhone SE; I was one of those carping that without that size iPhone I was going back to some cheap flip phone and would tote along my iPad mini for anything needing internet acces and more screen real estate. It's nice we got a laptop with a 12" footprint again in the new MacBook although by now I've decided I can live with a 13" laptop and so far "settle" for my mid-2012 MBPs because they are perfect for my own requirements. I'm not yet a fan of bluetooth earbuds but I can appreciate that there are people who have waited for them and are, or are not yet, happy with the AirPods. I can certainly dig it that people are impatient for the next Pro, a different set of ports on the MBP, a faster mini, and I know people who want an iPod Classic with massive SSD space for their world class collection of every opera ever recorded...

I don't expect Tim Cook to design any of that stuff, I just hope he manages to keep Apple's ship of state sailing along so that it produces enough of a home run for ths or that product line fanciers every year and so makes the bottom line look good to shareholders who only care about the bottom line and may never have bought so much as an iPod Shuffle. I do expect him to maintain a good set of designers and engineers. As far as I can tell, he's doing that. I'm enough of a fan to expect that there will be "one more thing..." for a long time yet to come from Apple. No clue what those things could be. The fun of watching Apple is seeing them roll out and realizing that they were conceived and launched into drawing boards long before the rumors about them began to fly in places like these forums!
 
It's funny how people label Trump a fascist, and worse than Hitler but I don't see people going to jail for their views, or for saying they want him dead even.

Be interested to see those people float those ideas in China. Apples CEO won't even say anything.

Just wait. His popularity's at 37%. Time to burn down the Reichstag.
 
Please name for me one product Tim has created? He's a master manager but Apple's success was built upon the passion and product creativity of Steve jobs. Apple needs a visionary.... and I'm not talking about envisioning a global monopoly that makes obscene profits exploiting global economic imbalances. I'm not talking about having grand visions of leveraging Apples extreme wealth and position providing jet-fuel to some grand social/political think tank run by a SJW oligarch. The time has past for that and people's patience is wearing thin. I believe the truth is, Apple leadership is spinning it's wheels and hasn't a clue WTF their next big thing ought to be. Of course, I might be wrong but something mighty dysfunctional is going on over in Cupertino. Jobs had alot of hutspa but was teachable. Cook comes off like an arrogant, superior, self-righteous know it all. Ive seems like an OCD obesessive that can't see the forest for the trees. Job's made it all work. Without a capable visionary it's nothing but incremental iteration and that's not enough to cut it. I hope I'm wrong but if Apple can't jump the curve they are soon headed to irrelevance. No fancy, billion dollar, office building is going to solve it. It will just keep everybody in a fantasy bubble insulated from the harsh reality of their post-Jobs decline.
Cook & Co need to focus to their roots. It's good Apple has a stance on human rights, environment and equality. This is what a corporate culture is about. Although the glued together products contradict their stance on environment.

It seems they've forgotten their customers and if they were our parents we could sue them for neglect. Companies should stay out of politics. If cook wants to change the world he needs to leave as CEO and form a political party. He can't do both. As of now he's very active in both and very careful in what he's saying in countries with different cultures. That makes a person not trustworthy. So if he's wise, he would keep his opinions about politics to himself and focus on their customers instead of profits and politics.
 
Really... You mean Cook's espousing the abolition of private property?

Or the confiscation of land owned by individuals to benefit of the state? Or perhaps you were thinking about his strong views on government ownership of agriculture and its means of production? Ditto with respect to state ownership of factories and manufacturing?

Or... are you speaking to his his views on regional planning and setting goals and quotas? Perhaps it's government controlled labor - yes, I'm sure he'd be for that!

Or maybe it's Cook's firmly held belief that the government should distribute resources, goods, and food to every citizen equally. Finally... a policy of iPhones for all. Yay!

Or... Maybe you know very little about what Communism really is.
If corruption wasn't in humans nature, communism would be one of the most fair forms of ruling. Unfortunately it will never work because greed is in our nature and most of us are focusing for personal gain.
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Can't help but notice how little time Cook spends at Apple HQ; yet his predecessor couldn't drag himself away from the design studio.

Interesting correlation with products too, huh?
There is nothing to see and all stuck in the pipeline, dated before it will see the light of day. Apple told it took them 4 years to develop the ergonomic touchbar disaster. I always wonder why it takes them that long to come up with a new macpro because I can read on hackintosh forums that one person is able to build one 10 times faster as the top of the line macpro in one week. All of the shelf parts. So you can assume a team of Apple engineers could come up with something at least once a year.
 
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What company are you switching to now?
I'm looking for an apolitical computer company that manufactures professional grade products, 100% here in America, and can be in NO way be referred to as luxurious.
Please let me know what you use... I want to "make a statement" too!
The company you are describing is Apple from the 80's.
 
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Tim Cook: We love your country's ability to give us low cost and exploitable labor. We love that your people were willing to sell organs to finance our products. We are very pleased that your culture is status drivin and you've made our products a symbol of status. We can't wait to exploit the people of India next. Visit Apple.cn to get the latest iPhone 7.

Question from the crowd: What about transgender rights here in China?

Tim Cook: That is just western absurdity. Choose iPhone and Apple Watch for a healthy lifestyle.

I just burned 10 calories rolling my eyes.
 
Sounds a whole lot more like Donald Trump than Tim Cook would ever willingly try to become.
Strangely, that is one thing that I like about Donald Trump. His unwillingness to take crap from the Press. I've lost all respect for them in the last 30 years; it's like clockwork when there is a D in the White House, the questions become fawning ("tingling in my leg" comes to mind), and when there is an R in there, they become the "4th Estate" that they try to cram down our throats. At least this R fights back. As for some of the things he fights back with I may disagree with ("Biggest electoral college win since Reagan" comes to mind), but the willingness to fight back is refreshing.
 
When faced with a swindler in the Whitehouse, good that Tim still has the big picture together and not get bullied.
I’d say it’s the other way around. But that’s just me. And everyone who voted for Trump.

It’s already been said here, but I’ll say it again: Globalization benefits the 1%, while taking away manufacturing jobs from the middle class. Do you know why the U.S. was an economic powerhouse back in the 50’s? Because we actually made our own stuff, instead of importing it. It’s also been like that with fuel for decades, though that’s changing; we’re finally starting to use American oil instead of importing it all from the Middle East - decreasing our dependence on foreign oil, and slowing the flow of money out of the country.
 
It’s also been like that with fuel for decades, though that’s changing; we’re finally starting to use American oil instead of importing it all from the Middle East - decreasing our dependence on foreign oil, and slowing the flow of money out of the country.

Point of correction.
The US only gets about 5% of the imported oil from the Middle East.
The other imports come from mainly Canada and Mexico.
Currently, we import approximately 25% oil used in the US and turn around and export somewhere near the same.
 
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The only alternative is Linux. Frankly as a long time Linux user it isn't an operating system for most users. One of Apples great accomplishments with Mac OS was in giving us an extremely friendly OS with UNIX at its core. For a daily driver Mac OS is pretty hard to beat especially for a power user.

Ive been on a Mac since 2008 as my primary machine. The Linux user space has changed a lot in that time but is still clunky in my opinion. Then you have the horrors of system management and upgrades which most distributions still have. You would think that the Linux world would realize that system breaking upgrades that take weeks to resolve are in fact a big problem.

So what is the exit strategy? I really don't know but I'm seriously thinking of building a new Linux box to test out some of the latest distro's to see if there is something palatable for a daily driver. I use to run Fedora and have an older ubuntu box running right now. Neither of these rock my boat in their older forms. Ive been reading about other distros trying to solve some of Linux usability issues so maybe it is time to investigate these alternatives.
Linux mint and ubuntu are both very stable and have long term support builds. If Apple Music and iCloud Keychain could be supported on linux I would switch.
 
What a hypocrite. Avoids the social and privacy issues when it comes to China. The guy is a BS'er that only believes in $$$$$ .

I got respect for China , they know exactly where they stand and don't kiss anyone's ass unlike cook

Yah... well... where China currently stands, is between a rock and a hard place, having adopted some of Western society's ways --including communications tech and a form of economic capitalism-- while still operating a top-down and highly controlled government, even though they mess around with local and regional councils having some elected members. They've instituted some economic reforms. Political change is their bogeyman, their third rail...

China has self-imposed limits on where and how they act out, or as you put it, fail to kiss ass. They don't run around talking like Donald Trump when they wish to buy a hog farm in Arkansas or six thousand acres of ranchland in Argentina. They find the seller's sweet spot and kiss it until he wants the deal as much as they do, like any reasonable business person would do when sitting down to talk turkey half a world away from home. It's not butt kissing, it's finding out where the deal is, where the room to negotiate is, what to leave out of the picture.

You think China talks about the politics of race in the USA when they come looking to buy a hog farm off some guy in Arkansas? No. They talk about where is the deal, what is the deal, how much if China oversees the breeding, the US guy raises the hogs and slaughters them and Chinese company just buys the land and imports the meat to China? And then China talks to the USA's overseers of foreign transactions politely so that Congress won't kill that deal. China only talks like Donald Trump when talking about turf issues in the South China Sea.

Tim Cook talking in China is not kissing China's butt. He's acting like the CEO of a multinational firm that wishes to continue doing business with China so long as it offers the prospect of continued manufacturing efficiencies using their skilled labor at their going wage (which is rising), and so long as it also offers the prospect of selling more Apple products in China. China wants to keep its middle class employed and happy at the improvement of their material prospects, including choice in the marketplace. China does not want to discuss human rights and Chinese politics with Tim Cook. It's not part of the deal. Part of the deal might be an extra American supervisor on the floor, or maybe an extra QA measure on parts that seem to be difficult to assemble correctly in a new line.

Once again I suggest that how one gets desired business arrangements is not by berating China for how it conducts itself on its own turf. There is a time and a place to have that kind of discussion. It's usually private, between our Secretary of State and his Chinese counterpart. And it's often framed along the lines of "it would be beneficial to both parties if...." -- not "you people treat your people like ****!". It can also be a private discussion between an American business owner and a Chinese supplier, about worker safety, about fatigue from overtime etc. Things did not suddenly and miraculously get better at Foxconn for Chinese workers because some American decided to curse out some Chinese manager.

To get Apple to change how it treats the money it makes is something else. That will require getting Congress to change the laws on how business may be conducted by companies based in the USA. We do live in a system that encourages oligarchy and the concentration of wealth. The oligarchs and the wealthy lobby Congress to keep it that way. The potential downside of making laws too harsh on businesses, of course is that a company may elect to depart the states altogether if the conditions imposed on it seem too draconian. At that point there would probably be a tariff put on the company's products if they are to be imported and sold here. Not sure how that helps anyone really. We have to pay more for the product, sales fall, it's still not made here...

It's better if we change our laws in ways that encourage industry to invest in educating the workforce it needs here at home, invest in technology to mitigate pollutants from manufacturing processes, give business incentives to create more profit-sharing for employees.

Also, not all of our job offshoring has been labor costs. Some of it was that we could not longer tolerate the pollution from old ways of manufacturing. We offshored that to countries with more lax laws. Now that's coming home to roost and those countries are making stricter laws

Sooner or later American companies have to quit pretending they can sustain double-digit profit margin increases and start investing in sustainable ways of doing business. Tim Cook is not in charge of that. Congress is. We are. Left to their own devices, companies will cut costs past bone into muscle, they cannot help themselves. They are in thrall to the investment houses of Wall Street that themselves have no skin in the game any more since they're publicly traded too. It's a shell game... and the worker, who is also the consumer, is the mark. We are the only ones who can force change. We're not going to get there by yelling at Tim Cook.

Congress must underwrite such changes for the little guy either by direct subsidy to construction of internships and apprenticeship programs between companies and schools, or by structuring our laws to cause industry and schools to make those happen more often by incentive. Right now there is a limited federal interest in doing that. Some states are better at helping schools and industry partner up to create a right-skilled workforce on a case by case basis (using parts of some federal block funds, yes).

To the extent Congress would rather fund proxy wars in the Middle East, meh, things will stay the same or drift to worse for the little guy here. That's true whether Apple maintains a US presence or not, regardless of who is its CEO and what he or she has to say about respect for diversity in the USA, or how he or she shows respect for China's sovereignty on its own turf while trying to cut business deals.

Want change? Don't just vote for president every 4 years. Pick up the phone and discuss what's on your mind with your congress critter. He works for you the same as Donald Trump is supposed to do, and the House member or Senator is more accountable to your will because he represents people living in your congressional district or your own state. Trump is supposed to represent the entire population of the United States. Your odds are better working with Congress. For that matter, so are Tim Cook's...
 
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