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It's straight economics, not about Cook being a coward. What his approach really highlights are the benefits of U.S. liberty. Back home, Cook can speak about contentious issues without the explicit threat of the government closing down his business there. In China, the opposite is the case. Apple is a shareholder company, so if Cook was seen to be sabotaging its future business, he would no longer be in the position of CEO.
It's straight hypocrisy, he loses all credibility if his rhetoric is purely financially motivated. If your view holds true he should keep his mouth shut on all social/political issues until retired from his current role.

Benefits of US liberty? Oh, you mean not having the courage to be consistent in opposition of oppression, intolerance and human rights wherever it might occur in the world. So much for being a beacon for the world.
 
Agreed.
Heil to the Trump!!! Whatever he says is true!!! Alll else is a lie!!! Don't believe anything but what Chancellor Teump tells you!!! Be a TRUE American and don't question your mighty leader!!

God bless America!!!

Hahahah, Russians did it, you're the reason for the first four and the last four. THANK YOU. keep up with the overplayed hysteria, he wouldn't be in office without you.
 
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What a loathsome coward Tim Cook is. Not only does he avoid going on about privacy to China, but he also completely forgets about his other favourite topics such as transgender rights, climate change, equality of women, open borders, etc. (Interested parties are encouraged to check out how those issues are dealt with in Cook's current favourite country.) How very strange! Why doesn't he open a 'dialogue' about these topics? How about pushing to 'educate' the Chinese government regarding these matters? Oh, right: because he's a hypocrite of the highest (or rather lowest) order and that stuff is only useful to sell his toys in this part of the world where it's currently in fashion. Globalization is good for Cook because it allows him to produce his crap cheaper and sell it in more parts of the world. That's not a benefit for the many IMO.

I'm not defending Cook but by favourite country you could be referring to the US or China, they both share equally horrific views currently. Both have issues with facts, evidence, science, data, the truth and the media. Transgender rights, Climate change, Equality and Open borders are under attack on all fronts by religious nut jobs in politics and by business interests and bigots. The resurgence of hatred and right wing sentiments is unacceptable in my view and Tim Cook should tackle it at every level apple has influence.

It would be nice to think he could change both China, US and ROW with some demands on countries he deals with but the shareholders wouldn't allow it. He can be vocal for PR stunts and public but in actuality if he felt those things truly he would have to quit to actually campaign for them. He's just talk unfortunately real change is only going to happen elsewhere.
 
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So true. Free trade is free to the elite, but the unwashed public get the fine honour of paying for it through taxes.
Free trade is exactly what got you into this mess. It allows your country to freely outsource labour to those who can offer it cheapest.

Trade needs to be regulated by the government to protect the jobs in your country. If you dont have a job market, your country fails.
 
Seriously when was charisma needed to run a Silicon Valley company? It's the home of nerd as hero. Go back to basics and consider the employees of tech startups, consider the venture capitalists who scarf them up. If you can tell one end of a supply chain from the other, that's a start. If you can manage a supply chain, that's key to advancing to the C-suite. If you think a supply chain is something you buy online to hook up a widget to a gadget in order to make teenage girls swoon when a drum solo kicks into a zoom-in closeup of Mr. Charismatic Rock Band Artist, keep your current day job.

Cook is not Jobs. Jobs was not CEO of Apple as it has become today. Nothing stands still and manages to survive for long. Whoever cannot or will not flex with the requirements of the job as it changes is doomed to whatever he managed to get approved as his golden parachute. Cook's clearly running a successful enterprise. How long he lasts is partly up to him, partyly up to his picks for design and product line management, partly up to his board, partly up to the forces of disruption. Now disruption is something that all tech companies face and that Apple, so far, has been adept at levering up to the next great thing (even while winking at the camera and dissing the very idea of it in advance lol, as Jobs did with the tablet or the stylus, for instance).

One can argue about Apple's hits, misses and messups, but the one thing you can't tag Apple on is knowing that globalization is a part of all tech companies' DNA nowadays. With Cook knowing supply chain management inside and out, it's hard to say "charisma" counts for beans in having a clue about what globalization is, what it costs, what it brings home to the bottom line and, in Apple's case, what it offers to human beings around the world.
It's very simple to understand. Apple is a brand that makes a personal connection. Steve Jobs helped solidify that connection and maintain the relationship with the customer during his presentations. We bought the products because we were excited about them. We were excited about them because Steve was excited about them. Steve made a personal connection with the customer and made them feel valued. There was a very big physiological connection to Jobs. Steve became the face of Apple and the two could not be separated.

Tim is as stated above...soggy cardboard. The personal connection with Apple and the customer is deteriorating and the loyal customer base eroding. Apple today is no different than the Motorola of the early 00's. Once the iPhone isn't cool....the whole company falls apart. There is as much of a customer loyalty to the iPhone as there was to the Razr. It's a time bomb waiting to go off. Tims disconnect with the customer won't help. Sure the LGBT folks see him as a hero....but that's not enough to keep them going. In fact I think his stance on political issues just helps erode and sour the customer base. Steve kept politics out of Apple and focused on the products. That clearly isn't a thing for Cook.
 
Hahahah, Russians did it, you're the reason for the first four and the last four. THANK YOU. keep up with the overplayed hysteria, he wouldn't be in office without you.

Sorry, I must have misread your post. Didn't realize it was sarcastic, like mine. I actually thought you were one of those idiotic zealots who believes everything trump says is true and that all news is 'fake'.
 
What else was he suppose to do? Go to China and trash them when all the phones are made there and all the manufacturing is cheapest there for consumer electronics and Apple wants to continue to work with the Chinese etc. etc. They don't have laws that protect businesses from the government as it relates to free speech.
That's exactly the definition of coward he is. When he's in America he acts like he believes in something and brave enough to speak up. Imagine if MLK and others decided to just keep quiet back in the days. They didn't have laws to protect them or even prior to that when laws only for the interests of white people. We wouldn't have this kind of America if they were coward. It's not perfect America but far better than it was. If he truly believes in something for the betterment of the people then he should be brave and speak up. But obviously when he opens his mouth it's just for his own interest. He sounds like he's siding what you believe but in return he wants something that benefits himself. And that my friend is the very definition of a hypocrite selfish coward!
 
Taking the middle road here, this invitation was about investing in a foreign market. It's might raise enough eyebrows to the Chinese leadership that they have an openly gay man speaking to them about opening their protectionist economy to outside investment.

Besides which, the speeches they give will have to be reviewed beforehand, so as to avoid any unwanted topics and to prep the translation team.

Ive been living here for a while and for variously deep cultural and historic reasons I've increasingly found that you can't shift Chinese viewpoints by embarrassing them into changing their behaviour. It always needs to be a soft approach here.

I'm sure globalization has benefited Tim Cook quite well. Too bad the rest of society doesn't benefit quite like the top 1%.

Yes, shareholders want two faced CEOs keeping those stock prices high.

A country is more than its economy, as environmentalists are so fond of saying. And as some economists are saying now, cheap goods don't matter if nobody has a job and thus can't buy them.

It's very simple to understand. Apple is a brand that makes a personal connection. Steve Jobs helped solidify that connection and maintain the relationship with the customer during his presentations. We bought the products because we were excited about them. We were excited about them because Steve was excited about them. Steve made a personal connection with the customer and made them feel valued. There was a very big physiological connection to Jobs. Steve became the face of Apple and the two could not be separated.

Tim is as stated above...soggy cardboard. The personal connection with Apple and the customer is deteriorating and the loyal customer base eroding. Apple today is no different than the Motorola of the early 00's. Once the iPhone isn't cool....the whole company falls apart. There is as much of a customer loyalty to the iPhone as there was to the Razr. It's a time bomb waiting to go off. Tims disconnect with the customer won't help. Sure the LGBT folks see him as a hero....but that's not enough to keep them going. In fact I think his stance on political issues just helps erode and sour the customer base. Steve kept politics out of Apple and focused on the products. That clearly isn't a thing for Cook.

I'm not the one confused about what kind of politics we are talking about.

I'm not confused about the fact that politics are always complex. Binary thinking is convenient but it's not even right half the time.

On China: The soft pitch works better most places. Why would we want to be berated by someone to open our markets to them? Same goes for dealing with China when we are talking about our competitive partnerships there.

China understands this in its own dealings with say South America, where it trades infrastructure investment for either natural resources or for agricultural products. They sometimes insist on bringing their own workers to the projects but they do not attempt to influence the culture of the host countries. They may keep to themselves and they may not particularly respect personally the cultures or governmental systems of those countries; they just find a way to come to a transactional arrangement that pleases them and provides enough incentive for the host country in turn to welcome the deal.

It's not that different for any country that actually wants to do business on someone else's turf. Your turf, your rules... within limits, e.g., if both are WTO members for instance.

On the other hand the host country wants the deal too, so there's a middle ground which affords that deal, and it doesn't always have to be sketched out like a map pegged to GPS coordinates. When there are cultural differences, they can often be elided as irrelevant to the factory floor. When there are human rights issues --worker safety, for instance-- then ignoring them can mean disaster. For an American company this percolates into media headlines that shareholders will not tolerate.

But, sometimes that middle ground does have to be pegged precisely. Local customs or law may dictate that foreign nationals have to live in gated compounds in order to avoid major culture clashes, for one example. For another, our disagreements with China over what's permissible regarding internet access are already legendary and get resolved or kicked down the road one snag at a time.

As far as the business end goes, it still comes down to do we want the deal, or not. It's not a binary consideration but there's a yes or no at the end of the day.

Sometimes we probably should say no, we don't want the deal. But we are a capitalist society. So, we don't often say that. We try to bargain down the levels of catering to oppressive government instead, with mixed results and sometimes a well-deserved sullied reputation for putting a dollar of profit above the intrinsic value of human rights.

People complaining about how human rights are not respected or how globalism mistreats human beings should perhaps look these days a little closer to home than China, and I don’t mean Silicon Valley. It’s not like Mr. Trump has embraced the cause of human rights in general, nor has he made exemplary moves on behalf of the 99% in constructing either his cabinet or his first budget proposal. Singling out Tim Cook or Apple itself as some sort of perpetrator of oppression is a real stretch if you want to drill down into those draconian budget cuts offered by the White House in 2017. The rural areas whose citizens voted for Trump in droves take some of the worst hits in that budget. Whatever they may think of Tim Cook or Apple for whatever Cook says in China will pale compared to what they’ll think of the Republican Party if it elects to jam that budget through Congress.

I used to think of my own companies, my own bosses as oppressive once in awhile. On the other hand it was I who chose to live and work in NYC during my career, and I knew that it was an extremely competitive arena where there were others willing to work those hours and make that level of effort. The companies for which I worked had their own choices to make in that arena. Where we did not meet eye to eye, we parted company. That’s life. I managed to take my grandfather’s advice 99% of the time: it’s easier to find a new job if you already have one while you’re looking.

The job market is not some sort of giveaway scheme. There are always hard choices to make when one earns a paycheck or as a company struggles to put up a bottom line that meets shareholder expectations. Is it cruel? Yeah. It can be and often is. But half this board considers the various social safety net programs of the US government to be “socialism”. Half this board also celebrates when union-busting efforts produce yet another right to work state here in the USA. So I say to those who buy those lines and yet still argue that the US needs to back out of globalism and put jobs into the USA are deluded: if those jobs come back as they are now, they will not pay what they paid in the 1950s, nor persist unchanged for long, and we will need to tailor our social safety nets to include more education and job retraining efforts to meed evolving industry needs.

We are no longer living in the age when union scale paychecks and benefits pervade economic arenas in the USA. That pendulum swings back and forth, of course: very few alive now remember labor conditions in the USA in the early 20th century. Even though there has been some backlash and renewed efforts to unionize in recent years, union-busting efforts continue unabated. Nonetheless, if our manufacturing jobs come back as modern jobs, most of them will within decades go to robots. It’s already happening with manufacturing jobs that have remained here. The right to work comes with a price tag: you need the skills demanded by that job. How that job gets done may require different skills depending on where and how it's done, at what price. How it gets done the old fashioned way is probably abroad, not here. For now.

That leaves the 99% and its Congressional representatives facing the conundrum it does right now: how to prepare for the world on its own terms going forward. One answer is to ensure that what we manufacture --wherever we manufacture it-- has the broadest of potential markets. China, India, Latin America, the African continent. Where there is a market demand for a product, there is a need for those consumers to have the wherewithal to buy those products. Hence the rising tide that lifts all boats.

Yes, it’s too slow a process. But, it is building a middle class in societies that never had one before. Wage pressures have already been felt in China. Unionization pressures are having effect on pay scales and working conditions. Jobs are being automated and skilled labor competition is setting in there just as it is here. It’s ironic to me that people arguing to “make America great again” don’t seem to realize that America’s greatness has never been about pulling up our drawbridges and closing off access to and from the rest of the world. How we became great is by being open to change.

What we don’t seem to understand anymore is that change doesn’t mean throwing out the baby with the bathwater. It means negotiating from strength at the center, here and around the world. "The center" is not the same place at home as it is abroad. It's not even the same depending on who the domestic audience is. Tim Cook is aware of that. So are most Americans, in the sense that we tailor the scope and mode of our discussions differently depending on whether we're in a staff meeting at work, at the dinner table with Grandma, or down the end of the bar on a Friday night.

I say let each of us including Tim Cook figure out how best to structure our own end of the conversation for the situation and in light of our responsibilities. It doesn't mean having to succumb to situational ethics. It means we're aware of the circumstances in which we find ourselves, and so deal to advantage as best we can in that scenario. In the best of outcomes we come away with some benefit to self or to the organizations we represent, without compromising our personal integrity. Certainly our mileage can and does vary on that score. No one's anything but human here so we're not likely to find perfection any time soon.
 
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Globalisation in a nutshell: "Sure you can't afford a home, a family, to study, and 90% of jobs will be insecure and poorly paid going forward as there's a infinite pool of labour to tap now but, hey, you've got a cheap smartphone knocked up by someone that committed suicide so why are you complaining? As long as the Apple board keep awarding themselves bumper renumeration packages everything's peachy."
 
I'm not confused about the fact that politics are always complex. Binary thinking is convenient but it's not even right half the time.

On China: The soft pitch works better most places. Why would we want to be berated by someone to open our markets to them? Same goes for dealing with China when we are talking about our competitive partnerships there.

China understands this in its own dealings with say South America, where it trades infrastructure investment for either natural resources or for agricultural products. They sometimes insist on bringing their own workers to the projects but they do not attempt to influence the culture of the host countries. They may keep to themselves and they may not particularly respect personally the cultures or governmental systems of those countries; they just find a way to come to a transactional arrangement that pleases them and provides enough incentive for the host country in turn to welcome the deal.

It's not that different for any country that actually wants to do business on someone else's turf. Your turf, your rules... within limits, e.g., if both are WTO members for instance.

On the other hand the host country wants the deal too, so there's a middle ground which affords that deal, and it doesn't always have to be sketched out like a map pegged to GPS coordinates. When there are cultural differences, they can often be elided as irrelevant to the factory floor. When there are human rights issues --worker safety, for instance-- then ignoring them can mean disaster. For an American company this percolates into media headlines that shareholders will not tolerate.

But, sometimes that middle ground does have to be pegged precisely. Local customs or law may dictate that foreign nationals have to live in gated compounds in order to avoid major culture clashes, for one example. For another, our disagreements with China over what's permissible regarding internet access are already legendary and get resolved or kicked down the road one snag at a time.

As far as the business end goes, it still comes down to do we want the deal, or not. It's not a binary consideration but there's a yes or no at the end of the day.

Sometimes we probably should say no, we don't want the deal. But we are a capitalist society. So, we don't often say that. We try to bargain down the levels of catering to oppressive government instead, with mixed results and sometimes a well-deserved sullied reputation for putting a dollar of profit above the intrinsic value of human rights.

People complaining about how human rights are not respected or how globalism mistreats human beings should perhaps look these days a little closer to home than China, and I don’t mean Silicon Valley. It’s not like Mr. Trump has embraced the cause of human rights in general, nor has he made exemplary moves on behalf of the 99% in constructing either his cabinet or his first budget proposal. Singling out Tim Cook or Apple itself as some sort of perpetrator of oppression is a real stretch if you want to drill down into those draconian budget cuts offered by the White House in 2017. The rural areas whose citizens voted for Trump in droves take some of the worst hits in that budget. Whatever they may think of Tim Cook or Apple for whatever Cook says in China will pale compared to what they’ll think of the Republican Party if it elects to jam that budget through Congress.

I used to think of my own companies, my own bosses as oppressive once in awhile. On the other hand it was I who chose to live and work in NYC during my career, and I knew that it was an extremely competitive arena where there were others willing to work those hours and make that level of effort. The companies for which I worked had their own choices to make in that arena. Where we did not meet eye to eye, we parted company. That’s life. I managed to take my grandfather’s advice 99% of the time: it’s easier to find a new job if you already have one while you’re looking.

The job market is not some sort of giveaway scheme. There are always hard choices to make when one earns a paycheck or as a company struggles to put up a bottom line that meets shareholder expectations. Is it cruel? Yeah. It can be and often is. But half this board considers the various social safety net programs of the US government to be “socialism”. Half this board also celebrates when union-busting efforts produce yet another right to work state here in the USA. So I say to those who buy those lines and yet still argue that the US needs to back out of globalism and put jobs into the USA are deluded: if those jobs come back as they are now, they will not pay what they paid in the 1950s, nor persist unchanged for long, and we will need to tailor our social safety nets to include more education and job retraining efforts to meed evolving industry needs.

We are no longer living in the age when union scale paychecks and benefits pervade economic arenas in the USA. That pendulum swings back and forth, of course: very few alive now remember labor conditions in the USA in the early 20th century. Even though there has been some backlash and renewed efforts to unionize in recent years, union-busting efforts continue unabated. Nonetheless, if our manufacturing jobs come back as modern jobs, most of them will within decades go to robots. It’s already happening with manufacturing jobs that have remained here. The right to work comes with a price tag: you need the skills demanded by that job. How that job gets done may require different skills depending on where and how it's done, at what price. How it gets done the old fashioned way is probably abroad, not here. For now.

That leaves the 99% and its Congressional representatives facing the conundrum it does right now: how to prepare for the world on its own terms going forward. One answer is to ensure that what we manufacture --wherever we manufacture it-- has the broadest of potential markets. China, India, Latin America, the African continent. Where there is a market demand for a product, there is a need for those consumers to have the wherewithal to buy those products. Hence the rising tide that lifts all boats.

Yes, it’s too slow a process. But, it is building a middle class in societies that never had one before. Wage pressures have already been felt in China. Unionization pressures are having effect on pay scales and working conditions. Jobs are being automated and skilled labor competition is setting in there just as it is here. It’s ironic to me that people arguing to “make America great again” don’t seem to realize that America’s greatness has never been about pulling up our drawbridges and closing off access to and from the rest of the world. How we became great is by being open to change.

What we don’t seem to understand anymore is that change doesn’t mean throwing out the baby with the bathwater. It means negotiating from strength at the center, here and around the world. "The center" is not the same place at home as it is abroad. It's not even the same depending on who the domestic audience is. Tim Cook is aware of that. So are most Americans, in the sense that we tailor the scope and mode of our discussions differently depending on whether we're in a staff meeting at work, at the dinner table with Grandma, or down the end of the bar on a Friday night.

I say let each of us including Tim Cook figure out how best to structure our own end of the conversation for the situation and in light of our responsibilities. It doesn't mean having to succumb to situational ethics. It means we're aware of the circumstances in which we find ourselves, and so deal to advantage as best we can in that scenario. In the best of outcomes we come away with some benefit to self or to the organizations we represent, without compromising our personal integrity. Certainly our mileage can and does vary on that score. No one's anything but human here so we're not likely to find perfection any time soon.

Then do you believe that Tim as a CEO should get involved in SJW issues that don't directly affect the company ?
 
It's global politics that is the focus here, specifically the notion of "globalism", highlighted by Mr. Cook's unintelligent blabber about the world needing open borders.

One world, no borders, one digital currency, one military force, one police force and one supreme body of a handful psychopathic worshipers of satan as the ultimate leaders of the world. Maybe even one Big Brother and an Airstip One, perpetual war we already have. And then all the slaves that only exist to work for and serve the elite. In other words, corporate fascism.

I'm not the one confused about what kind of politics we are talking about.

And no you can't fix globalism so it serves ordinary people, it's a system designed by a very small ruling elite to serve their interests. It's a slave system and in it you are the slave. Tell me, is it intelligent to defend and argue for a system that is designed to serve an extremly small elite and take away all your liberties and freedoms?



Just like guns, liberals is an instrument created to be used for a specific purpose. In this particular case, to destroy humanity.

In one sense guns are superior since they don't go around thinking "I'm independent and I'm intelligent", especially not female guns that are eager to open all borders with the effect that thousands and hundreds of thousands of their sisters become molested and raped by people from cultures that treat women like trash.

Hey, Man! Don't hit me with them negative waves so early in the morning!
 
A country is more than its economy, as environmentalists are so fond of saying. And as some economists are saying now, cheap goods don't matter if nobody has a job and thus can't buy them.
We spend over $100k/per person in the US K-12 educational system, teaching people things like Calculus and the arts, so that people DON'T have to work in factories.

Globalization means the Chinese does low-IQ factory jobs, while Americans do higher-value IP work. Any politician that's against globalization thinks America is still 1950's Detroit, where people go to work at "factories" and earn "wages". We have moved way beyond that economy already.

If Americans are working factory jobs, then we have already failed.
 
Then do you believe that Tim as a CEO should get involved in SJW issues that don't directly affect the company ?

You're who calls Cook involved in Social Justice Warrier issues. You're who says his public pronouncements don't directly affect Apple. I don't say either of those things.

I'd point out that people who think Tim's a social justice warrior are probably not the same people who think he's not tough enough about human rights issues in China. But then I'd probably be accused of making politics too complex.
 
It's very simple to understand. Apple is a brand that makes a personal connection. Steve Jobs helped solidify that connection and maintain the relationship with the customer during his presentations. We bought the products because we were excited about them. We were excited about them because Steve was excited about them. Steve made a personal connection with the customer and made them feel valued. There was a very big physiological connection to Jobs. Steve became the face of Apple and the two could not be separated.

Tim is as stated above...soggy cardboard. ...

To be fair to Tim Cook - who is arguably the most boring man in the world - Steve Jobs wasn't much better .
I don't think anyone could call him charismatic - he was a dude in marketing who got lucky and took over a failing company .

Jobs killed the Mac with his switch to gadgets, design over function, ignored creators and other pro users, it was him who claimed the iPad was the future of computing, and he embraced the ivory tower mentality of Silicon Valley .
Granted, the iPod and iMac were brilliant, so was the (late) switch to Intel CPUs at the time .
iOS and the decline of Macs and OSX, not so much .

The globalization of Apple is Jobs' doing - moving work and funds abroad, maximising profit by avoiding taxes and relying on questionable cheap labour, that's all Jobs' Apple .
None of that would have been possible without being involved in politics either ; an army of laywers, acountants and lobbyists is needed to use, abuse and create loopholes of that size .
 
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Well said. I'd love to see apple fund some of these causes Tim pretends to care about. Right now as you said, they are pouring money into China...which is total hypocrisy given China's and tims stance on various social issues. I actually don't believe Tim as a stance, he has learned to play and manipulate the press. He will tell you what you want to hear or what it takes to make a $
I believe he is a decent person who does have strong progressive views, for better or for worse, who made the mistake of conflating his own identity and Apple's, and that's where it's starting to make them both look bad in the way you perceive. I read his comments in various interviews over the years such as this one, http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...and-companys-expanded-red-intiative/94627982/ and I see how he's complicated matters for Apple, and where he hit that turning point mixing his own identity with that of a company.

I did a quick search on what Apple actually has done to advance these ideals it's suppose to have and they are impressive, and they do actually work very well to benefit people and the environment and consumers and the poor in countries that Apple doesn't even sell to. So it's all good there.

Where it gets messy always comes back to China. It comes back to China even for Hollywood. This article in the Washington Post best exemplifies my concerns about what we lose when we try to gain access to Chinese consumers. This is in regard to our film industry:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-over-hollywood-grows/?utm_term=.75cc66014a5f

Most chilling from that article is this part, and I think it shows what Apple has dragged itself into in China and where globalism backfires when it goes up against very insular cultures:

"The owner and founder of Dalian Wanda, Wang Jianlin, has been plain about his desire to expand China’s global media influence. Wang, who is China’s richest man, said in a Chinese television interview in August that he would like to “change the world where rules are set by foreigners.”

As the owner of a nascent theme park chain, Wang also sparred with Disney, which opened its first park in mainland China in June. “They shouldn’t have entered China. We have a [saying]: one tiger is no match for a pack of wolves. Shanghai has one Disney, while Wanda, across the nation, will open 15 to 20,” Wang said, according to Fortune. “Disneyland is fully built on American culture. We place importance on local culture.”

Dalian Wanda now owns AMC in the US and is acquiring more cinema chains in the west! They want to spread their values to us, and have no intention of letting us spread any of ours that conflict with theirs. Their laws won't allow that. Instead, we alter our themes and content so we can get lucrative deals for our movies to play in China.

I'm no fan of Trump but he has made a point about the fact we don't make good deals with them. We compromise a lot in an effort to try and reach their customers. And their customers are very wary of accepting our stuff into their country. I didn't know that until I started doing a bit of reading due to this thread. I'm half Asian myself but that half is a mix of various Asian ancestry so I'm not an expert on China.

In my own experiences, yes, I have endured both Asian insularism from that side of my heritage and western style bigotry against asians. So I'm not coming from any of this with a racist bent, being stuck in the middle as I am. I'm not anti China because of race since hey, I share that racial heritage in part. I am concerned about cultural parity. I don't think we are going to get it and I think we are going to lose a LOT more than we bargained for in the never ending pursuit of stock value and $$$.
 
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Hey, Man! Don't hit me with them negative waves so early in the morning!

Sorry bro. I'd rather send some love but them liberals need to meet some opposition and tuff love. Mostly for the benefit of the watchers that don't say anything.

Globalization means the Chinese does low-IQ factory jobs, while Americans do higher-value IP work.

Actually no, globalism means that the middle class is destroyed, globally. And the filthy rich less than 1% gets even more rich. There has be countries and all countries has to PRODUCE something that create value for their country in order to sustain themselves and their workers. Then they can trade that with whoever they like.

Where is the moral and ethics of the super-elite? A handful of the most rich _persons_ could easily wipe out poverty in the world if they wanted to. Thing is they are psychopaths and cannot feel empathy with others, they are driven by blind greet and the lust for more and more power. Actually, they view ordinary people as animals to be used and disposed of as needed. Their rule over humanity has to come to an end and their grand plan for total world domination, by means of globalisation, need to be exposed for what it is and stopped.

There is no need for wars in the world, conflicts are created artificially just as terrorism is created artificially to serve the agenda of the ruling elite, i.e. globalism.

At the core of this is the global economy which basically is based on an illegal scam where central banks are privately owned instead of owned by countries. Anyway, that's another huge discussion.

These people are not morally and ethically qualified to decide the destiny of humanity. So stop supporting them.
 
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It's global politics that is the focus here, specifically the notion of "globalism", highlighted by Mr. Cook's unintelligent blabber about the world needing open borders.

One world, no borders, one digital currency, one military force, one police force and one supreme body of a handful psychopathic worshipers of satan as the ultimate leaders of the world. Maybe even one Big Brother and an Airstip One, perpetual war we already have. And then all the slaves that only exist to work for and serve the elite. In other words, corporate fascism.

I'm not the one confused about what kind of politics we are talking about.

And no you can't fix globalism so it serves ordinary people, it's a system designed by a very small ruling elite to serve their interests. It's a slave system and in it you are the slave. Tell me, is it intelligent to defend and argue for a system that is designed to serve an extremly small elite and take away all your liberties and freedoms?



Just like guns, liberals is an instrument created to be used for a specific purpose. In this particular case, to destroy humanity.

In one sense guns are superior since they don't go around thinking "I'm independent and I'm intelligent", especially not female guns that are eager to open all borders with the effect that thousands and hundreds of thousands of their sisters become molested and raped by people from cultures that treat women like trash.

Elites ARE psychopathic satanic worshippers. And then some. With a different set of principles and moral compass from the average hard working citizen. As a serious understatement and euphemism.

So glad other people 'see' it and are in touch.

MR is surprisingly quite enlightened. Love it
 
The riteousness indignant might want to think of the long game. Want regime change? You can either cut yourself off from the interconnected world (or bomb it), OR you can export American culture and help it evolve towards you. I think putting Billy Joel on their stage and a McDonalds in their city did more to bring down the Soviet Union than half a century of Cold War. "Poisoning" China over time with western products and culture is probably a more effective long-term strategy than throwing a temper tantrum filled with moral absolutism.

Agreed.
Heil to the Trump!!! Whatever he says is true!!! Alll else is a lie!!! Don't believe anything but what Chancellor Teump tells you!!! Be a TRUE American and don't question your mighty leader!!

God bless America!!!
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You're who calls Cook involved in Social Justice Warrier issues. You're who says his public pronouncements don't directly affect Apple. I don't say either of those things.

I'd point out that people who think Tim's a social justice warrior are probably not the same people who think he's not tough enough about human rights issues in China. But then I'd probably be accused of making politics too complex.

Take for instance the issue of gender neutral bathrooms in public schools. This issue does not affect Apple yet Tim and Apple are involved in it.

Do you believe as a CEO that Tim and Apple should be involved in this issue which does not affect Apple's business ?
 
I believe he is a decent person who does have strong progressive views, for better or for worse, who made the mistake of conflating his own identity and Apple's, and that's where it's starting to make them both look bad in the way you perceive. I read his comments in various interviews over the years such as this one, http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...and-companys-expanded-red-intiative/94627982/ and I see how he's complicated matters for Apple, and where he hit that turning point mixing his own identity with that of a company.

I did a quick search on what Apple actually has done to advance these ideals it's suppose to have and they are impressive, and they do actually work very well to benefit people and the environment and consumers and the poor in countries that Apple doesn't even sell to. So it's all good there.

Where it gets messy always comes back to China. It comes back to China even for Hollywood. This article in the Washington Post best exemplifies my concerns about what we lose when we try to gain access to Chinese consumers. This is in regard to our film industry:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-over-hollywood-grows/?utm_term=.75cc66014a5f

Most chilling from that article is this part, and I think it shows what Apple has dragged itself into in China and where globalism backfires when it goes up against very insular cultures:

"The owner and founder of Dalian Wanda, Wang Jianlin, has been plain about his desire to expand China’s global media influence. Wang, who is China’s richest man, said in a Chinese television interview in August that he would like to “change the world where rules are set by foreigners.”

As the owner of a nascent theme park chain, Wang also sparred with Disney, which opened its first park in mainland China in June. “They shouldn’t have entered China. We have a [saying]: one tiger is no match for a pack of wolves. Shanghai has one Disney, while Wanda, across the nation, will open 15 to 20,” Wang said, according to Fortune. “Disneyland is fully built on American culture. We place importance on local culture.”

Dalian Wanda now owns AMC in the US and is acquiring more cinema chains in the west! They want to spread their values to us, and have no intention of letting us spread any of ours that conflict with theirs. Their laws won't allow that. Instead, we alter our themes and content so we can get lucrative deals for our movies to play in China.

I'm no fan of Trump but he has made a point about the fact we don't make good deals with them. We compromise a lot in an effort to try and reach their customers. And their customers are very wary of accepting our stuff into their country. I didn't know that until I started doing a bit of reading due to this thread. I'm half Asian myself but that half is a mix of various Asian ancestry so I'm not an expert on China.

In my own experiences, yes, I have endured both Asian insularism from that side of my heritage and western style bigotry against asians. So I'm not coming from any of this with a racist bent, being stuck in the middle as I am. I'm not anti China because of race since hey, I share that racial heritage in part. I am concerned about cultural parity. I don't think we are going to get it and I think we are going to lose a LOT more than we bargained for in the never ending pursuit of stock value and $$$.

A lot of where China is coming from is due to its partial embrace of a version of capitalist economics, while trying to resist the political and social (and possibly global) disaster that an abrupt Arab Spring sort of undoing of political repression could bring forth. Their experimentation with more local input to government exists now even in rural provinces but it is painfully slow. The internet, of course, is the joker in the deck as far as the Chinese government is concerned. Its use and in some cases very daring use has prompted some of the basic reforms of their domestic oversight of food safety and environmental damage. But, as far as general freedom of expression is concerned, the chill is clear at least in urban areas and among the educated. Who circumvents restrictions needs to know whom he lets into his circle of confidants and not least in confiding how he or she gets around the rules. In rural areas that chill can be even more prevalent since "everyone" knows much of life details of everyone else, the same as in small villages in the USA.

China stil does act out more on its own turf as far as enforcing its own politics and culture than abroad in its foreign investments. The aim with the latter is to help sustain its national interests by acquiring natural resources, technology, agricultural produce etc. So to the points I had made earlier about ignoring cultural differences, even though it is willing in some cases to offend host countries by insisting in the dealmaking on importing not just its managers but some of the labor force required to get the jobs done -- for instance in building infrastructure in host countries.

The media segment of Chinese investment is another story though. It's not clear to me really whether China just wants to make a buck or whether it wants to try to influence foreign opinion of its domestic policies. As it proceeds through this time of economic pressures, probably making a buck takes precedence. One does not wish to be evicted from a moneymaking gig when the money is needed not just wanted.

Your mention of theme parks made me remember the brouhaha here in the Catskills back in 2013 when some Long Island real estate developer proposed a Chinese-themed park complete with "ethnic villages" that would showcase Chinese provinces, dynasties, zodicac themes - as well as house a university, college dorms, hotels... and in theory the place would be a mixed use domain, partly for American tourists and partly for wealthy Chinese nationals to send their kids to an American education with some Chinese walls around it or something. The proposal was scaled back from 2000 to 600 acres at some point. There was a lot of opposition to it, and suggestions that the whole thing was an EB-5 visa gig where most of the financing was to be via $500k-a-pop visa "investments" by Chinese nationals purchasing green cards through the progam. Not sure what happened to that particular development idea, but the Catskills township to which the marketing pitch was made seemed more than a little unenthusiastic as the details of the proposal unfolded. If it was in fact about an EB-5 venture, then it's possible the proposal didn't meet the program's requirements. Or, the township simply nixed the idea.
 
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I keep reading here he should stop trying to do politics and just focus on Apple and its products.
Now he's getting flamed because he doesn't focus on politics.

this man cannot win.
I think he can win when he focuses on his products here, and leave the politics to the politicians.

His political stances (and my reactions):
"I'm gay" (and..? I thought I wasn't supposed to care about these things, and you win... I don't.)
"I can't believe that biological men have to use the "men's" restroom" (I'm sure that Apple Park has a restroom for each of the 51 different "genders" that have been errr... "discovered", on each floor, convenient to all of them)

Each of these Tim has spoken from the microphone about, and not as a private conversation between himself and friends. Before he came out, a reporter asked him about his sexuality, and he deferred the question. It's kind of crazy, but sometimes you don't have to answer the question. There is this myth that news "reporters" have to ask a public person every nuance of their lives, and the public person is compelled to answer it.

Heck, if I were Tim, I'd have Apple cameras in the interview room, a media consultant, and the "reporters" would sign an agreement that the interview was property of Apple, and Apple would license the interview to the "reporter," free of charge, as long as they stayed on topic. Simply put, "ask me questions about the business, and I'll be happy to answer them. Ask me about crap that's on your SJW agenda, the meeting is over, and you will be escorted out of the building by those two people at the door."
 
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