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I keep reading here he should stop trying to do politics and just focus on Apple and its products.
Now he's getting flamed because he doesn't focus on politics.

this man cannot win.
You missed the point.
If Tim stayed away from politics from now going forward then those who are not happy with his statements would be pleased, but those folks "know" he will continue his statements when he feels it is safe to do so. His conviction to the cause(s) is dependent on his location/audience and its ramifications real or perceived.
Whether it is wise or not from a political or corporate perspective, it is being called out as hypocritical.
 
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It's straight economics, not about Cook being a coward. What his approach really highlights are the benefits of U.S. liberty. Back home, Cook can speak about contentious issues without the explicit threat of the government closing down his business there. In China, the opposite is the case. Apple is a shareholder company, so if Cook was seen to be sabotaging its future business, he would no longer be in the position of CEO.

but he is also sabotaging business in the US with his SJW issues. It's called angering a good percentage of his customer base. Tim should keep Apple out of SJW issues and focus on Apple.
 
Those are all great ideals to promote, but is it right for a U.S. Oligarch like Mr. Cook to imperialistically foist social values of any kind while speaking at an economic forum in another country? I think a better argument might be to debate the message he sent to China about globalization.
Many would be happy if Mr. Cook stopped foisting social values and focused on economic growth through better products.
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When faced with a swindler in the Whitehouse, good that Tim still has the big picture together and not get bullied.
Please explain?
You're against the idea of Apple manufacturing more products in the United States?
 
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-16/millions-of-manufacturing-jobs-could-go-unfilled

Over the next decade, 3.4 million manufacturing jobs are expected to become available as baby boomers retire and economic growth spurs work opportunities, according to a 2015 study by the Manufacturing Institute, a Washington-based think tank, and Deloitte LLC. But a skills gap could result in 2 million of those jobs staying unfilled.

"Skills gap" is just a b.s. codeword for cheap labour and not willing to invest in training.
 
It's sort of now. For skilled people, jobs are there. Do you think unemployment is going to get better? It's at lows. There's always going to a be a portion of people who are unskilled and have a hard time. Apple can't help these people.
You do realize that unemployment rate doesn't include those that have given up looking? The percentage of able bodied males that haven't worked in 12 months is significantly larger than it was two decades ago. Another thing is that there are many skilled people working in lower quality fields.
 
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Can't like your post twice, so I decided to quote it instead. It's exactly true. Globalists are opportunistic cowards. The guy can't separate politics and business when it's convenient, but when China or Saudi Arabia are involved, then suddenly he goes mute.

If globalists are "opportunistic cowards" then what are protectionists? I call them deluded.

Despite all the bluster, we are not likely to find out the hard way about the downsides of protectionism. It has conseqences Trump and his fans don't like to see mentioned or discussed. But Congress is hearing about that from its constituents already. We will not be able to export what we do now, for instance. Which is why midwestern Congressmen look askance at the idea of rejiggering NAFTA: we export a lot of grain to Mexico.

Protectionism is not a one way street where we put walls (tariffs) on imports but keep exporting stuff as always. That is not how it works with trade wars. Globalism is here to stay. The world is not flat, countries and companies do not operate in vacuums without risk of impact by adverse reaction to their trade policies by other entities.

The trick is how to make globalism serve ordinary people better. As far as I know, no one ever suggested that a rising tide would lift all boats as fast as it jacked up the profits of the owners of capital. It's not like we haven't known about this for decades.

Whatever the fix is, it's not going to be rooted in protectionism. To work, it has to be rooted in education, in better fits between industries' needs and graduating students' skill sets, in apprenticeship programs and paid internships.

For us to sit around and blame China for existing -- as a source of labor, as a potential market-- is just plain crazy. The human consequence of auomated manufacturing will hit China too. The difference, as far as I can tell, is that China's more likely to make use of it faster than we are. There's some food for thought: China will have to come up with a way to employ, or at least pay, more people for less work than their labor force is currently providing, even in these times of western demand for cheap human labor. See the western companies don't care if China automates that labor. They're automating everything they can too.

We are all ultimately in the same boat on this gig. We have to figure out how to educate a workforce that will be better suited to new job requirements than to the jobs being handed off to robots. To the extent there's a gap and we still have too many people for the jobs that need to be filled by humans, we have to train people to acquire skills in fields they can enjoy as avocations, so that we don't all end up so much like what we're trending to now: societies sitting around in front of computer and TV screens all day and all night when not working.

Anyway we'll never get there by levelling complaints about globalism as if it were something we could pick up and drown in the bathtub. That is not going to happen. We have to keep making it work better to serve more of us, not just owners of capital. For Tim Cook to speak as he did in China does not seem out of line to me. China is not just a cheap labor source for us. It is a huge potential market for American companies. China is aware they they cannot press too hard on the protectionist button either. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. That's an old kitchen saying, but it holds true when a CEO is pitching ideas in China, too.
 
I'm sure globalization has benefited Tim Cook quite well. Too bad the rest of society doesn't benefit quite like the top 1%.
 
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That's why I Love Trump, America First!
#Trump2020 #VeryFakeNewsCNN
Agreed.
Heil to the Trump!!! Whatever he says is true!!! Alll else is a lie!!! Don't believe anything but what Chancellor Teump tells you!!! Be a TRUE American and don't question your mighty leader!!

God bless America!!!
 
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Taking the middle road here, this invitation was about investing in a foreign market. It might raise enough eyebrows to the Chinese leadership that they have an openly gay man speaking to them about opening their protectionist economy to outside investment.

Besides which, the speeches they give will have to be reviewed beforehand, so as to avoid any unwanted topics and to prep the translation team.

Iv'e been living here for a while and for variously deep cultural and historic reasons I have increasingly found that you can't shift Chinese viewpoints by embarrassing them into changing their behaviour. It always needs to be a soft approach here.
 
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Globalization typically benefits only the corporations and Wall Street stockholders. The trade agreements and treaties over the past two decades haven't been friendly to workers or developing countries. All one needs to do is read Klein's "Shock Doctrine" to fully understand the turmoil it's caused; all in the name of free trade and the ugliness of the Chicago School of Economics.

Globalization benefits the poor and retirees on fixed income by reducing inflation.

Do you think a retiree should go back to work to pay for increased prices because Americans can't compete against the Chinese? Is there any other tax you would like to burden the poor and retirees with?
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Can't like your post twice, so I decided to quote it instead. It's exactly true. Globalists are opportunistic cowards. The guy can't separate politics and business when it's convenient, but when China or Saudi Arabia are involved, then suddenly he goes mute.

Globalization is how the US economy grows.

Nationalism is how the US economy shrinks.

Hillary & Obama have it right. Trump & Bernie are wrong.

And we know it to be correct since Hilary & Obama are smarter than Trump & Bernie.
 
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Globalization benefits the poor and retirees on fixed income by reducing inflation.

It's arguable that it reduces official inflation, because official statistics generally don't take into account substitutions.

If globalization leads to goods that cost less, then yes it benefits retirees and the poor. But if it leads to communities with no jobs then the benefit calculation becomes more difficult.
 
It's arguable that it reduces official inflation, because official statistics generally don't take into account substitutions.

If globalization leads to goods that cost less, then yes it benefits retirees and the poor. But if it leads to communities with no jobs then the benefit calculation becomes more difficult.

Those that lose jobs can earn benefits that are separate from employment. You don't need to artificially raise prices to protect their jobs. If they can't compete against the Chinese, then accept that fact and deal with it from there by distributing benefits. It's a more efficient economy that way.

If you want handouts, just ask for handouts. There's no faking it in economics.
 
So apple is touting they enjoy cheap labor and terrible working conditions for Chinese workers so costs can be cut and Tim can keep funding his giant spaceship campus in California and take massive bonuses.

What a surprise.
 
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I really wish Steve was back for 5 minutes to bitch slap this fool Cook !
I personally knew Steve and he would extremely upset the way Apple's been run lately.
 
Those that lose jobs can earn benefits that are separate from employment. You don't need to artificially raise prices to protect their jobs. If they can't compete against the Chinese, then accept that fact and deal with it from there by distributing benefits. It's a more efficient economy that way.

If you want handouts, just ask for handouts. There's no faking it in economics.

A country is more than its economy, as environmentalists are so fond of saying. And as some economists are saying now, cheap goods don't matter if nobody has a job and thus can't buy them.
 
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Anyway, more on politics: there's personal politics, "company politics", corporate politics, Silicon Valley politics, Wall Street politics and then there's the politics of dealing with the federal government as a huge company with multinational interests. Oh, and the politics of public relations. One should not confuse any one of these scenarios with any other. One of the reasons a CEO in the top ranks of industry makes so much money is he must manage to keep these interests separate while being seen to treat each with all due respect at any given moment. So far, Tim Cook's making the grade. Not alone of course. No one can manage all that stuff without good help.

It's global politics that is the focus here, specifically the notion of "globalism", highlighted by Mr. Cook's unintelligent blabber about the world needing open borders.

One world, no borders, one digital currency, one military force, one police force and one supreme body of a handful psychopathic worshipers of satan as the ultimate leaders of the world. Maybe even one Big Brother and an Airstip One, perpetual war we already have. And then all the slaves that only exist to work for and serve the elite. In other words, corporate fascism.

I'm not the one confused about what kind of politics we are talking about.

And no you can't fix globalism so it serves ordinary people, it's a system designed by a very small ruling elite to serve their interests. It's a slave system and in it you are the slave. Tell me, is it intelligent to defend and argue for a system that is designed to serve an extremly small elite and take away all your liberties and freedoms?

Guns just wait to be told what to do by their masters.

Just like guns, liberals is an instrument created to be used for a specific purpose. In this particular case, to destroy humanity.

In one sense guns are superior since they don't go around thinking "I'm independent and I'm intelligent", especially not female guns that are eager to open all borders with the effect that thousands and hundreds of thousands of their sisters become molested and raped by people from cultures that treat women like trash.
 
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You missed the point.
If Tim stayed away from politics from now going forward then those who are not happy with his statements would be pleased, but those folks "know" he will continue his statements when he feels it is safe to do so. His conviction to the cause(s) is dependent on his location/audience and its ramifications real or perceived.
Whether it is wise or not from a political or corporate perspective, it is being called out as hypocritical.
Well said.

Actually I have absolutely no problem with Tim weighing in on politics as a private individual. It's his right as a citizen. And there are occasional legitimate overlaps between Apple's conduct as a business and politics. I can understand Tim speaking up on political matters that directly impact Apple as a business, like immigration policies that would impact Apple's employees. Or even "bathroom laws", insofar as such might someday effect Apple's management of their employees.

It's when Tim throws the corporate might of Apple behind his views as a private individual on matters not directly related to Apple's business concerns that I am dismayed. Because then he does drag the whole company into a position of hypocrisy, because Apple as a business can not back up Tim's more progressive views in countries that outright declare those views illegal.

If Tim wants to be an advocate for different causes, he should do so as Tim Cook, human being, not as Apple. Is he going to do that? No, he's Tim Cook and will do whatever the hell he wants. He doesn't even know I exist let alone care what I think. He shall carry on doing Tim Cookish things and we shall carry on giving him the stink eye. And life will go on and Apple will continue to make ridiculous amounts of money.

My other issue with this whole mess is that he looks so much like a puppet on China's string. He has poured billions into their economy while ticking off the EU. Apple gets its tax breaks in the west and shifts the money to a country that likes to throw obstacles in Apple's way and whose consumers are rejecting Apple. There might be a great reason for all of this but from a certain perspective it looks a little sad.
 
Well said.

Actually I have absolutely no problem with Tim weighing in on politics as a private individual. It's his right as a citizen. And there are occasional legitimate overlaps between Apple's conduct as a business and politics. I can understand Tim speaking up on political matters that directly impact Apple as a business, like immigration policies that would impact Apple's employees. Or even "bathroom laws", insofar as such might someday effect Apple's management of their employees.

It's when Tim throws the corporate might of Apple behind his views as a private individual on matters not directly related to Apple's business concerns that I am dismayed. Because then he does drag the whole company into a position of hypocrisy, because Apple as a business can not back up Tim's more progressive views in countries that outright declare those views illegal.

If Tim wants to be an advocate for different causes, he should do so as Tim Cook, human being, not as Apple. Is he going to do that? No, he's Tim Cook and will do whatever the hell he wants. He doesn't even know I exist let alone care what I think. He shall carry on doing Tim Cookish things and we shall carry on giving him the stink eye. And life will go on and Apple will continue to make ridiculous amounts of money.

My other issue with this whole mess is that he looks so much like a puppet on China's string. He has poured billions into their economy while ticking off the EU. Apple gets its tax breaks in the west and shifts the money to a country that likes to throw obstacles in Apple's way and whose consumers are rejecting Apple. There might be a great reason for all of this but from a certain perspective it looks a little sad.

Well said. I'd love to see apple fund some of these causes Tim pretends to care about. Right now as you said, they are pouring money into China...which is total hypocrisy given China's and tims stance on various social issues. I actually don't believe Tim as a stance, he has learned to play and manipulate the press. He will tell you what you want to hear or what it takes to make a $
 
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