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Which Phone will you order?

  • iPhone 8

    Votes: 19 1.2%
  • iPhone 8 plus

    Votes: 60 3.8%
  • iPhone X

    Votes: 1,527 96.6%

  • Total voters
    1,581
I’m in the 11/17-11/24 shipping window. 256GB SG AT&T, ordered on Apple Store, using AT&T Next plan to finance. Got my confirmation email at 3:11am EST.

I have seen dozens of cases where people ordering the exact same phone via the iPhone Upgrade Program get deliver dates moved up from as far out as December to this week. Several iUP users had the same delivery window as me, but got their phones on launch day. Apple is obviously prioritizing iUP users, although they won’t admit it. In my opinion this is bad customer service... not a good practice. People should not receive priority delivery based on how they choose to pay for their phone.

I would encourage people whi are frustrated to call Apple and voice your opinion. Don’t be rude or abrasive, just straightforward and honest. I spoke with a senior advisor earlier today and voiced my opinion politely and she was very understanding an receptive. While she could not confirm whether or not Apple prioritized deliveries, she did acknowledge that a decision like that would come from much higher up in the chain of command. She made note of my complaint, gave me a case number and encouraged me to go to Apple.com/feedback and also voice my concerns there with a reference to the case number. She offered a free iPhone X case for my troubles and when I told her i already had a case, she gave me a free wireless charger!

If enough people make some noise, the process WILL change. Apple cares about its customers and wants us to keep us coming back.
How is it wrong to do what they are doing? I waited late to preorder so I should be further ahead of the line then say someone that ordered almost a week after and they have tracking info already..

Meanwhile I'm stuck on little to no space a a camera on my 6+ that wont stop jiggling and making sounds.
 
How is it wrong to do what they are doing? I waited late to preorder so I should be further ahead of the line then say someone that ordered almost a week after and they have tracking info already..

Meanwhile I'm stuck on little to no space a a camera on my 6+ that wont stop jiggling and making sounds.


Not sure what point you’re trying to make so I’ll just answer your question.

Pre-orders are supposed to be based off a first come, first serve basis. So take two people, using the same carrier, and pre ordering the exact same phone. Person A gets their preorder in 10 minutes in after pre orders go live and uses the AT&T Next program to finance, meanwhile person B gets their preorder in at 20 minutes after pre orders go live but uses the iPhone Upgrade Program to finance.

Person B, having gotten their order in later, initially gets a much later shipping date in than person A, but because they chose to finance with the iUP, rather than carrier financing, they’re ship date gets moved up and they receive their phone a lot earlier than person A.

So to answer your question, it defeats the purpose of “first come first serve” preorders, and also essentially punishes the customer choosing to not use Apple’s finance plan. That’s why, in my opinion, it’s wrong. Apple shouldn’t treat customers that way.
 
I’m in the 11/17-11/24 shipping window. 256GB SG AT&T, ordered on Apple Store, using AT&T Next plan to finance. Got my confirmation email at 3:11am EST.

I have seen dozens of cases where people ordering the exact same phone via the iPhone Upgrade Program get deliver dates moved up from as far out as December to this week. Several iUP users had the same delivery window as me, but got their phones on launch day. Apple is obviously prioritizing iUP users, although they won’t admit it. In my opinion this is bad customer service... not a good practice. People should not receive priority delivery based on how they choose to pay for their phone.

I would encourage people whi are frustrated to call Apple and voice your opinion. Don’t be rude or abrasive, just straightforward and honest. I spoke with a senior advisor earlier today and voiced my opinion politely and she was very understanding an receptive. While she could not confirm whether or not Apple prioritized deliveries, she did acknowledge that a decision like that would come from much higher up in the chain of command. She made note of my complaint, gave me a case number and encouraged me to go to Apple.com/feedback and also voice my concerns there with a reference to the case number. She offered a free iPhone X case for my troubles and when I told her i already had a case, she gave me a free wireless charger!

If enough people make some noise, the process WILL change. Apple cares about its customers and wants us to keep us coming back.


I really don’t understand how you can be upset about this. From what I can tell Apple promised you a delivery time, Which you agreed to when you placed your order. It seems that Apple is keeping that promise and still planning to deliver your phone on time. But you’re upset that they are choosing to move up the ship times of *other* people which has zero effect on you? And you called Apple to complain about it? God bless their customer service reps.

The key part of IUP is the “upgrade” part of the acronym. These are people that are committing to an ongoing relationship with Apple. They have demonstrated that they buy a new phone from Apple every year. They have likely committed to buy the new one next year. I imagine Apple has research that these are more loyal customers. Why wouldn’t Apple want to reward them with a small perk that doesn’t affect promises made to anyone else?
Plus I am certain Apple makes more money off someone who buys a phone directly from Apple versus someone who doesn’t. Plus, they may feel that they owe it to folks who were told that they would be able to upgrade the phone after 12 months.
Maybe they want to get the phone out quickly to the IUP folks to avoid them having to make a Nov 15th payment on their old phone, which they will either have to refund and incur costs and hassle associated with that or not refund it and legitimately anger some of their most loyal customers.

These are all valid reasons for Apple to give priority to IUP customers. But honestly they don’t really need a reason. They can and should do whatever they feel is the best for their customer satisfaction and bottom line. Especially since they aren’t breaking their promises to other customers.

And now that you know this is a perk of the IUP (and we suspected it might be), why didn’t you buy the phone that way?
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Not sure what point you’re trying to make so I’ll just answer your question.

Pre-orders are supposed to be based off a first come, first serve basis. So take two people, using the same carrier, and pre ordering the exact same phone. Person A gets their preorder in 10 minutes in after pre orders go live and uses the AT&T Next program to finance, meanwhile person B gets their preorder in at 20 minutes after pre orders go live but uses the iPhone Upgrade Program to finance.

Person B, having gotten their order in later, initially gets a much later shipping date in than person A, but because they chose to finance with the iUP, rather than carrier financing, they’re ship date gets moved up and they receive their phone a lot earlier than person A.

So to answer your question, it defeats the purpose of “first come first serve” preorders, and also essentially punishes the customer choosing to not use Apple’s finance plan. That’s why, in my opinion, it’s wrong. Apple shouldn’t treat customers that way.

When did Apple say that the online ordering queue is first come-first served? I don’t think they have ever stated this. And it would only be unfair if not everyone can go through the upgrade plan. But everyone can.
 
Are T-Mobile iPhone X's more rare something? It seems like my store and every store on Istocknow always shows every phone available but T-Mobile
 
I ordered day of and it said Dec 11-18... last week it moved up to Dec 1-8. I am hoping it moves again to November. Has anyone received more than one bump ? :)
 
I checked my CC statement today and it says that I was charged for the tax on my iphone.

Does anyone have an idea of the time it takes to go from the tax being charged to the phone being shipped...? :)
 
I ordered day of and it said Dec 11-18... last week it moved up to Dec 1-8. I am hoping it moves again to November. Has anyone received more than one bump ? :)
Yes, mine moved from the initial December 11-18 to Dec 1-8 and then to Nov 16-24, and then shipped recently with a delivery of 11/10...
 
I just ordered my X last night, mostly because i wanted to see it in person first. My delivery dates are December 6-13. Which isn't bad for ordering so late but i do hope i get bumped.

For the people who have it, is it noticable smaller from the 7+ or 8+. That is my main worry, i know its "5.8" inch but thats including the bezels on both corners
 
I just ordered my X last night, mostly because i wanted to see it in person first. My delivery dates are December 6-13. Which isn't bad for ordering so late but i do hope i get bumped.

For the people who have it, is it noticable smaller from the 7+ or 8+. That is my main worry, i know its "5.8" inch but thats including the bezels on both corners

Well… There really is no bezel on an iPhone X… At least not as there were on former phones. So I would say maybe it adds 2 millimeters after the screen. The phone dimensions are listed many places on the web. Just look it up.
 
Was about 24 hours for me.

sweet! thanks for the heads up. I dont know why but i'm dying to get this phone. probably bc i'm coming from a 6 plus. the 6 plus has been as reliable and predictable as a toaster.
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My charge is for the full tax amount and it has been on my card since 2 Nov 1:30 am PDT. I just got off the phone with Apple and was told to disregard the fact that my delivery dates moved in the wrong direction (from 17-24 to 20-27 Nov) because of the fact that my card was charged for the full tax amount trumps all other indicators. I was advised that I should be seeing preparing to ship soon. Hopefully, the Apple rep knew what he was talking about.

so has it shipped yet?
 
When was your listed ship date if I may ask

No worries. it was nov 17-24 . it was originally dec like 13-17 bc of the technical issue they had on preorder night. i emailed them and was moved into the nov 17-24 group (which is what my ship date was at the time of order, ~3:15am on the night that the pre orders opened.
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Silver 256 tmobile paid in full and I got charged for it saturday morning, but still no change in status... still says order processing 11/27-24 delivery :(. So frustrated

sorry to hear that but i speak for myself and many people on here that WE FEEL YOUR PAIN.
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I think I will cry.
Definitely not over reacting. LOL
 
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I really don’t understand how you can be upset about this. From what I can tell Apple promised you a delivery time, Which you agreed to when you placed your order. It seems that Apple is keeping that promise and still planning to deliver your phone on time. But you’re upset that they are choosing to move up the ship times of *other* people which has zero effect on you? And you called Apple to complain about it? God bless their customer service reps.

The key part of IUP is the “upgrade” part of the acronym. These are people that are committing to an ongoing relationship with Apple. They have demonstrated that they buy a new phone from Apple every year. They have likely committed to buy the new one next year. I imagine Apple has research that these are more loyal customers. Why wouldn’t Apple want to reward them with a small perk that doesn’t affect promises made to anyone else?
Plus I am certain Apple makes more money off someone who buys a phone directly from Apple versus someone who doesn’t. Plus, they may feel that they owe it to folks who were told that they would be able to upgrade the phone after 12 months.
Maybe they want to get the phone out quickly to the IUP folks to avoid them having to make a Nov 15th payment on their old phone, which they will either have to refund and incur costs and hassle associated with that or not refund it and legitimately anger some of their most loyal customers.

These are all valid reasons for Apple to give priority to IUP customers. But honestly they don’t really need a reason. They can and should do whatever they feel is the best for their customer satisfaction and bottom line. Especially since they aren’t breaking their promises to other customers.

And now that you know this is a perk of the IUP (and we suspected it might be), why didn’t you buy the phone that way?
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When did Apple say that the online ordering queue is first come-first served? I don’t think they have ever stated this. And it would only be unfair if not everyone can go through the upgrade plan. But everyone can.


How do you not understand the problem with that? I committed to buy a product before someone else did, but they are being prioritized simply because of how they chose to pay?

Let me put it in perspective for you: I’m in line at the Apple store on launch day. I noticed that several customers much farther back in the line than me are being walked to the front of the line by an employee and then shortly afterwards leaving the store with their new phone. Meanwhile I’m still waiting in line. Come to find out, those customers being moved to the front of the line are iPhone Upgrade Program members. They got their products before me simply because of how they chose to pay. You'd understand me being upset at that right? Right. So then you should understand the problem I have with delivering phone earlier for the same reason. There's a person on this thread, just a few posts back, who had an original delivery date of sometime in December, but his delivery has been moved up to this Friday because he uses the iUP. Meanwhile my order hasn't even left the processing stage. From a consumer standpoint, why is that fair? Why should I be okay with that?

Apple gets their money for the phone I buy whether I pay directly through the iUP, or indirectly through my carrier. So that should make no difference. They're not making "more money off someone" buying directly... that makes no sense. A $1000 phone is a $1000 phone, regardless. They additional costs incurred through the iUP are due to the inclusion of AppleCare. Bottom line: The iUP is no more of a "commitment" than a carrier financing plan is. A person could opt out of the iUP simply by paying off the balance at anytime.

Here's another reason your "customer commitment" logic is flawed: Lets say someone has been a longtime Android-device user. This year they've decided to switch over to an iPhone and decided to pay via the iUP. They own no other Apple products, this is their first one. Meanwhile, someone like me, who currently has several thousand dollars worth of Apple products in my home and has owned 6 different iPhones since 2008 elects to pay via carrier financing. You're telling me the brand new Apple customer is viewed as "more committed" by the company simply because he went with the iUP. No way. Plus what "research" could Apple possibly have that a year-old phone financing program proves who the loyal customers are? Thats completely illogical. And how could the upgrade program members commit to buying a phone next year, when next years phone doesn't even exist yet? This argument makes absolutely no sense.

Apple has NEVER advertised earlier delivery as a perk of the iUP... and if they had, perhaps I'd gone that route instead. I've been on the AT&T Next program for the past couple of years, I saw no need to switch over. Thats why I didn't go with the iUP, plain and simple.

If you have any questions about whether or not the pre-order process is *supposed* to be based on first come, first serve, feel free to give Apple a call and speak to a Sales Advisor, they'll tell you just like they told me.
 
I started trying to order via the iOS app and the website at 3:01 EDT. Couldn’t get through and finish the order until 3:15. Silver 256GB on AT&T, paying in full. Got confirmation email at 3:25, with 11/17-11/25 delivery. No change in delivery date, still says In Progress, and card not charged.
 
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They don’t charge your card until the item ships, so if your card was charged than it has entered the shipping stage and you should get an email shortly with a tracking number.

I was charged tax only on one of my orders. That was 5 days ago and still charge pending so not a real charge. Phone did not ship. Only people reporting the IUP payment amount are shipping with a pending charge.
 
How do you not understand the problem with that? I committed to buy a product before someone else did, but they are being prioritized simply because of how they chose to pay?

Let me put it in perspective for you: I’m in line at the Apple store on launch day. I noticed that several customers much farther back in the line than me are being walked to the front of the line by an employee and then shortly afterwards leaving the store with their new phone. Meanwhile I’m still waiting in line. Come to find out, those customers being moved to the front of the line are iPhone Upgrade Program members. They got their products before me simply because of how they chose to pay. You'd understand me being upset at that right? Right. So then you should understand the problem I have with delivering phone earlier for the same reason. There's a person on this thread, just a few posts back, who had an original delivery date of sometime in December, but his delivery has been moved up to this Friday because he uses the iUP. Meanwhile my order hasn't even left the processing stage. From a consumer standpoint, why is that fair? Why should I be okay with that?

Apple gets their money for the phone I buy whether I pay directly through the iUP, or indirectly through my carrier. So that should make no difference. They're not making "more money off someone" buying directly... that makes no sense. A $1000 phone is a $1000 phone, regardless. They additional costs incurred through the iUP are due to the inclusion of AppleCare. Bottom line: The iUP is no more of a "commitment" than a carrier financing plan is. A person could opt out of the iUP simply by paying off the balance at anytime.

Here's another reason your "customer commitment" logic is flawed: Lets say someone has been a longtime Android-device user. This year they've decided to switch over to an iPhone and decided to pay via the iUP. They own no other Apple products, this is their first one. Meanwhile, someone like me, who currently has several thousand dollars worth of Apple products in my home and has owned 6 different iPhones since 2008 elects to pay via carrier financing. You're telling me the brand new Apple customer is viewed as "more committed" by the company simply because he went with the iUP. No way. Plus what "research" could Apple possibly have that a year-old phone financing program proves who the loyal customers are? Thats completely illogical. And how could the upgrade program members commit to buying a phone next year, when next years phone doesn't even exist yet? This argument makes absolutely no sense.

Apple has NEVER advertised earlier delivery as a perk of the iUP... and if they had, perhaps I'd gone that route instead. I've been on the AT&T Next program for the past couple of years, I saw no need to switch over. Thats why I didn't go with the iUP, plain and simple.

If you have any questions about whether or not the pre-order process is *supposed* to be based on first come, first serve, feel free to give Apple a call and speak to a Sales Advisor, they'll tell you just like they told me.


The program is more than a year old. It’s in its third year now. And if you don’t think a multi-billion dollar corporation doesn’t have tons of research on their customers you’re crazy. Apple started this program as an end run around the carriers so they can generate more revenue. Why else set up this whole sales scheme if there isn’t something in it for them.
And what makes more sense, Apple arbitrarily deciding to move up people in the Upgrade Program for absolutely no reason at all, or Apple deciding to do it because they have decided it’s in their business interest?
As for your example Apple has rules for lines, they have explicitly stated that lines in their stores are first come first served. And I would be legitimately and reasonably upset if I had camped out for hours or days and someone just walked up and gotten ahead of me.
Compare that to the actual example where Apple makes no promises of how things are supposed to work, gives you a ship date, and the fact that you got in before someone else doesn’t stem from any really effort on your part, but the luck of having a slightly faster connection, or an app that didn’t screw up. Again, you can be annoyed, but upset enough to lodge an actual complaint.

Yes, I’m sure you’re a huge fanboy and your bonafides and am Apple customer are above reproach, but you can give me example of the android guy coming in off the street, but I am willing to be any amount of money, that Apple makes more money off of the AVERAGE IUP customer than they do off the average carrier financed person.

I guess it boils down to this, why would Apple not want to give preferential treatment to someone who buys products in their stores or on their website?
Just because they haven’t advertised it doesn’t mean they can’t or shouldn’t.

And why do you think Apple owes you anything other than shipping you a phone on the date they promised you?

Because I bet if you want an iPhone next time, I bet you’ll use the upgrade program, which was kinda the point of all this.
 
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It seems that Apple is working on orders placed after 3:12 am but has not reach the 3:15 am timeframe yet. I have to separate orders and the first one is Preparing to Ship and the other one shows not movement. I am not on the iup.
 
The program is more than a year old. It’s in its third year now. And if you don’t think a multi-billion dollar corporation doesn’t have tons of research on their customers you’re crazy. Apple started this program as an end run around the carriers so they can generate more revenue. Why else set up this whole sales scheme if there isn’t something in it for them.
And what makes more sense, Apple arbitrarily deciding to move up people in the Upgrade Program for absolutely no reason at all, or Apple deciding to do it because they have decided it’s in their business interest?
As for your example Apple has rules for lines, they have explicitly stated that lines in their stores are first come first served. And I would be legitimately and reasonably upset if I had camped out for hours or days and someone just walked up and gotten ahead of me.
Compare that to the actual example where Apple makes no promises of how things are supposed to work, gives you a ship date, and the fact that you got in before someone else doesn’t stem from any really effort on your part, but the luck of having a slightly faster connection, or an app that didn’t screw up. Again, you can be annoyed, but upset enough to lodge an actual complaint.

Yes, I’m sure you’re a huge fanboy and your bonafides and am Apple customer are above reproach, but you can give me example of the android guy coming in off the street, but I am willing to be any amount of money, that Apple makes more money off of the AVERAGE IUP customer than they do off the average carrier financed person.

I guess it boils down to this, why would Apple not want to give preferential treatment to someone who buys products in their stores or on their website?
Just because they haven’t advertised it doesn’t mean they can’t or shouldn’t.

And why do you think Apple owes you anything other than shipping you a phone on the date they promised you?

Because I bet if you want an iPhone next time, I bet you’ll use the upgrade program, which was kinda the point of all this.

All that being said, the Senior Sales Advisor I spoke with agreed with me enough to give a $50 wireless charger for free, and gave me a case number and encouraged me to go on Apple’s Feedback website, voice my concerns, and to reference the case number. She was even kind enough to offer to stay on the phone with me to make sure i used The correct feedback form. I’d say that legitimizes my complaint.

And FWIW, I did use Apple’s website to make my purchase, it’s the method of payment that we’re talking about here... which again, should make absolutely no difference in delivery priority. You mentioned customer satisfaction... which scenario causes more customer dissatisfaction: everybody recieving their products based on when they ordered, or the carrier payment plan customer who gets his product based on when he ordered while watching the iUP customers who ordered much later, but be moved to the front of the line simply because of how they paid?

Again, your logic makes no sense and is not good business practice if you’re trying to keep all your customers happy, as opposed to just some of them.
 
It seems that Apple is working on orders placed after 3:12 am but has not reach the 3:15 am timeframe yet. I have to separate orders and the first one is Preparing to Ship and the other one shows not movement. I am not on the iup.

I have two IUP orders for 256 silver and 256 SG ATT. Fist order completed at 3:06am and the second errored our at 3:10 where it held my spot. Both are still OIP with only one charge for tax 5 days ago. No shipment in UPS my choice. Both still 17-24th window.
 
How do you not understand the problem with that? I committed to buy a product before someone else did, but they are being prioritized simply because of how they chose to pay?

Let me put it in perspective for you: I’m in line at the Apple store on launch day. I noticed that several customers much farther back in the line than me are being walked to the front of the line by an employee and then shortly afterwards leaving the store with their new phone. Meanwhile I’m still waiting in line. Come to find out, those customers being moved to the front of the line are iPhone Upgrade Program members. They got their products before me simply because of how they chose to pay. You'd understand me being upset at that right? Right. So then you should understand the problem I have with delivering phone earlier for the same reason. There's a person on this thread, just a few posts back, who had an original delivery date of sometime in December, but his delivery has been moved up to this Friday because he uses the iUP. Meanwhile my order hasn't even left the processing stage. From a consumer standpoint, why is that fair? Why should I be okay with that?

Apple gets their money for the phone I buy whether I pay directly through the iUP, or indirectly through my carrier. So that should make no difference. They're not making "more money off someone" buying directly... that makes no sense. A $1000 phone is a $1000 phone, regardless. They additional costs incurred through the iUP are due to the inclusion of AppleCare. Bottom line: The iUP is no more of a "commitment" than a carrier financing plan is. A person could opt out of the iUP simply by paying off the balance at anytime.

Here's another reason your "customer commitment" logic is flawed: Lets say someone has been a longtime Android-device user. This year they've decided to switch over to an iPhone and decided to pay via the iUP. They own no other Apple products, this is their first one. Meanwhile, someone like me, who currently has several thousand dollars worth of Apple products in my home and has owned 6 different iPhones since 2008 elects to pay via carrier financing. You're telling me the brand new Apple customer is viewed as "more committed" by the company simply because he went with the iUP. No way. Plus what "research" could Apple possibly have that a year-old phone financing program proves who the loyal customers are? Thats completely illogical. And how could the upgrade program members commit to buying a phone next year, when next years phone doesn't even exist yet? This argument makes absolutely no sense.

Apple has NEVER advertised earlier delivery as a perk of the iUP... and if they had, perhaps I'd gone that route instead. I've been on the AT&T Next program for the past couple of years, I saw no need to switch over. Thats why I didn't go with the iUP, plain and simple.

If you have any questions about whether or not the pre-order process is *supposed* to be based on first come, first serve, feel free to give Apple a call and speak to a Sales Advisor, they'll tell you just like they told me.

In that entire diatribe there of yours you missed one simple clarifying point which answers all your questions. Apple gets to keep the interest on the loans that they accrue on the IUP program… They do not get any piece of the financing action when it's financed through, AT&T, Sprint or Verizon or T-Mobile's carrier's financing organizations. Very simple. They're always going to prefer their IUP people more because they make more $ on them. Get it now? Completely logical. American capitalism. :)
 
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