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Are you saying that until you opened the door, you were unaware that it had been delivered? The courier company or Apple didn't inform you that your parcel was being delivered by a specific courier company? No one knocked on your door? In that case, it could have been anyone who received the parcel.

When I got the text I knew something was wrong because no one came to the door obviously. If you notice my original title was not directly accusing Uber of the theft, I changed it after I seen the CCTV footage proving the driver never entered my building. This is how I came to the conclusion they stole it.

All your questions have been explained many times, go back and read the thread.
 
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When I got the text I knew something was wrong because no one came to the door obviously. If you notice my original title was not directly accusing Uber of the theft, I changed it after I seen the CCTV footage proving the driver never entered my building. This is how I came to the conclusion they stole it.

All your questions have been explained many times, go back and read the thread.
Are you sure the original title has been changed?
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Are you saying you don't know which courier company was supposed to deliver those MacBooks? Apple or the courier company sends the client a notice as soon as the courier takes the parcel for delivery. That's an automatic system message. Everything is recorded electronically.
 
Are you sure the original title has been changed?
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Are you saying you don't know which courier company was supposed to deliver those MacBooks? Apple or the courier company sends the client a notice as soon as the courier takes the parcel for delivery. That's an automatic system message. Everything is recorded electronically.

Dude. The title WAS changed. I only knew it was Uber eats doing the delivery when Apple sent me and email saying it was out for delivery and they linked me an Uber map. Like I said previously.

You're in Europe and have never used Apples same day courier delivery yet you're acting like you know their exact protocol. Things are different in different countries using different couriers.

All the info in regards to the order are in this thread. Nothing has been omitted.
 
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Are you saying you don't know which courier company was supposed to deliver those MacBooks? Apple or the courier company sends the client a notice as soon as the courier takes the parcel for delivery. That's an automatic system message. Everything is recorded electronically.
I think it would be a good idea to give the OP (and the rest of us following this case), a break. You are repeating the same thing over and over without even having valid information as to how these deliveries are handled by Apple where the OP resides.
 
Right I get that but the customer doesn't know it's sent by Uber eats beforehand so why would they assume there's a risk? All they know is it's a courier. Just like a normal Apple order.

I don’t disagree. That’s why I posted the Reddit thread, there seems to be considerable precedent for this. I am warning other people.

Avoiding use Apple’s Courier Service. The risk is not worth it.
 
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I am debating an M4 mac mini, but with my daughter I can get education pricing. How do I do that through anyone but Apple?

And the larger question? Why should I have to? This is apple.
Yes, I agree. Why should we have to?
But then it's up to us and follow what we feel, what we trust, and listen to our own instincts.

My personal experience and feeling for Apple today is not that they have become better towards customers while they have massively grown, quite the opposite.

I am personally way too invested in Apple to even consider to ditch their products. But I surely can take precautions with how I deal with the company - or avoid dealing with them as much as possible.
Their products are being sold by so many other companies, today.
That's the difference - we can surely make other choices in how to buy and expecting services for our Apple stuff, when the company doesn't bother enough for the small buyers - but rather favoring the stockholders - we can chose to buy our Apple products elsewhere where we can get better service.
 
The title WAS changed. I only knew it was Uber eats doing the delivery when Apple sent me and email saying it was out for delivery ...
The situation appears to be as follows: your parcel has been delivered, but no one knows who received it. You can't simply claim that the UberEats driver stole it (though that is ultimately your decision). As far as Apple, the bank, the credit card issuer, and even the police are concerned, the parcel has been delivered. If you ask nicely, Apple might be able to block those two MacBooks online. You won't get your money back unless you can prove that someone else received them, in other words, that your MacBooks were stolen. It could have been someone who knew you were expecting them on that day.

Good luck!
 
You can see here that Apple is not negligent towards its customers, it's much worse than that - they are deliberately putting people through this ordeal because they don't care and it's cheaper this way than to use a real courier service. This is the conclusion I get from OP describing his interactions with Apple, as each conversation points to everyone being seemingly out of sync to the extent where I see it as a deliberate choice meant to confuse the customer and make it more difficult to resolve an issue.

Apple knows that it's wrong to risk people's purchases with such unreliable delivery services, but it's cheaper than a real reliable courier so Apple can save pennies on it, which makes it the obvious choice. And if people complain, who cares, they just shut them down and/or make the process difficult, hoping most people will give up at some point. They just have to string them along for a while by transfering the case around the company.

You call someone and they discard your claim because you're a nobody, then you call again and it's a nice lady who is very understanding and of course wonders how the other employee could have turned their back on you, but subsequently the initial decision is held up anyway. Then you call again and it turns out all of the info you received from the nice lady is somehow all wrong and an entirely different course of action should have been taken (duh). It's like Apple can't agree with themselves on what needs to be done, but obviously this benefits them as it's all meant to trip the customer up and string them along for weeks until they give up. Huge company, with far more people who can play this game than you will have time and energy to pursue this.

And the audacity to tell a customer that they should have the police call Apple, as if it's the job and/or a normal course of action for law enforcement to try and assist a customer in getting their money back from a corporation. We are at a point in this timeline where you get mocked for buying directly from Apple, as apparently online shopping at Apple's website is now an opening for Apple to scam you and it's your fault for giving them that chance.
 
I used this service three times in September when the new iPhone came out. I had three iPhone 16 Pro Max delivered this way. By the sounds of your username OP, we might be living in the same city. Here is how my experience was…

1st delivery guy requested my name and ID
2nd requires my name and took a picture
3rd just handed the package and walked away, half confused and looking like he knew he should have done more but was too embarrassed to ask me for an ID or anything

Now, why share this? I want people to be aware that this process is highly flawed. There is no accountability nor standards on how the delivery handles things. Apple seals the bag, but that’s the extent of formality. The rest is up to Uber. In my case, at least one of the phones could have ended up in somebody’s hands that is not me, and none would be the wiser.

I had no idea that Apple has this zero liability approach to their couriered delivery. I also, like you OP, didn’t expect Apple to be using Uber Eats drivers. That was quite a shock.

Now that I have heard your experience, I am probably never going to use this service again, or if I do, will be clear with Apple that I require them to collect my ID and a picture at delivery. Otherwise, I will have considered the package not delivered.

As for your situation, I would say go to your local CBC news outlet. This might be your best bet at recovering your money and you will have done a great public service for everyone. Apple absolutely needs to change policies around this to have bulletproof evidence of successful delivery to the intended recipient.
 
I used this service three times in September when the new iPhone came out. I had three iPhone 16 Pro Max delivered this way. By the sounds of your username OP, we might be living in the same city. Here is how my experience was…

1st delivery guy requested my name and ID
2nd requires my name and took a picture
3rd just handed the package and walked away, half confused and looking like he knew he should have done more but was too embarrassed to ask me for an ID or anything

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And all of them handed you a sealed package, and none waited for you to unbox it, correct?
 
And all of them handed you a sealed package, and none waited for you to unbox it, correct?
Correct, and in that sense, I suppose anything could have been in there because the seal is not tamper proof. I actually insisted to open the sealed bag and confirm the contents when they handed me the package, so I made them wait, but that is just me and my paranoia. No such procedure was required. The scariest was the guy who didn’t ask anything and just handed the package to me no questions asked like it’s a $30 takeout meal.

I don’t know the history of this thread fully (and am not about to read 18 pages of it), but I can 100% confirm that it is easily possible for the driver to deliver the package to an unintended recipient because Apple has no procedural obligations that they enforce on the Uber Eats carriers. I have seen how they operate myself, and though I had no issues, the process is highly flawed.

@Six0Four - you might also want to consider a small claims court. I know this is not a legal advice subreddit, but if you are not withholding any information, you will probably have an open and shut case. Apple or Uber Eats will have to present indisputable proof of delivery, and if they don’t have it, you’re going to win. By the way, I do recommend taking this to the legal advice subreddit for Canada. You will get good advice there. Only thing I would suggest is to not imply that Uber Eats driver stole your package. Maybe they did, or maybe they didn’t. Either way, between Apple and Uber Eats, they cannot just claim delivery on “take my word for it, we have proof, but are not willing to show you”.
 
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What seems to be happening in the OP's case is multi-system failure due to, in this case and in others, an anomaly in the collective system; ie. that comprising the ordering and purchase, the despatch and delivery, and the post-delivery/non-arrival of the ordered product – a non-arrival of the products from Apple to customer despite limited existing system information purporting otherwise. In this case, the OP did not receive his laptops and has suffered from the consequence of insufficient post-ordering/tracking diligence and rigour and thus an exploitable and exploited system; a loophole.

If there is wilful disdain by the parties involved (other than the OP) of anything anomalous (though in this case, such non-arrival of the ordered product is clearly also occuring elsewhere and with others, so a recurring anomaly then, ripe for further understanding and prevention), or if there is a lack of professional interest, even wilful ignorance in pursuing a better understanding of where systems are failing, then it is of course all too typically human though nevertheless shameful.

Apple must at some level be aware of the partial failing of its methods in getting products to customers via courier. The courier company involved in the specific failure(s), the police (when asked to assist the individual victim of the failures), banks – all are merely supporting an existing failure of policy and practice in which sufficient investment in and commitment to a fair and appropriate resolution are lacking.

It is a bad look on all counts for these organisations and one can surely legitimately ask, when does one give up on such companies? And what does it take for such unreliability to undermine and eventually destroy an existing system. I am baffled at the lack of effort and imagination, and indeed, the actual disdain and wilful ignorance on the part of Apple in this case. The examples detailed in this thread underline how vulnerable we all are as consumers, and clearly whatever systems put in place to facilitate our modern marketplace, one in which all these companies trade, are now simply insufficient to deal with the 'anomalous' exploitation and theft that occurs.

It has been tedious to read particular posts in this thread which seem to express disbelief in or, absurdly, to blame the OP, when it really is quite simple: a guy ordered a couple of computers and ended up instead falling down the rabbithole of modern consumer practice with its inherent weaknesses and inability/unwillingness on the part of the merchants and services involved to deal with individual cases like the OPs (and others') when they go bad.

Such failures happen in modern life across the board – in the legal world, in health care and many other arenas. In the UK we are still processing the quite immoral behaviour of Fujitsu and Post Office employees, the result of which innocent subpostmasters suffered a profound miscarriage of justice, including loss of jobs, imprisonment, major health issues due to stress, loss of reputation etc. It is one of the worst such corporate occurences in the UK, and sadly confirms that if humans behave as their worse selves rather than their better selves, then one can guarantee that some poor innocents will go through hell as a result.

Returning to the OP's cause, it's time for Apple to step up on his behalf now. There are surely good people at Apple who can think different! One of them needs to do so now and help the OP out. C'mon, Apple!
 
Correct, and in that sense, I suppose anything could have been in there because the seal is not tamper proof. I actually insisted to open the sealed bag and confirm the contents when they handed me the package, so I made them wait, but that is just me and my paranoia. No such procedure was required. The scariest was the guy who didn’t ask anything and just handed the package to me no questions asked like it’s a $30 takeout meal.
Okay, did you know which courier company was delivering the iPhones to you? In other words, did you receive a notice from them that your package was on its way?
 
When I got the text I knew something was wrong because no one came to the door obviously. If you notice my original title was not directly accusing Uber of the theft, I changed it after I seen the CCTV footage proving the driver never entered my building. This is how I came to the conclusion they stole it.

All your questions have been explained many times, go back and read the thread.
True, I remember seeing this in the news:

Even a plained clothes guy could just be on a long phone call, ask the guy in the ups truck or delivery guy for his Mac and if he has your address they can snag it before you get it. Caught red handed by the neighborhood camera 📸 and this ups driver did not check as this guy did not pay attention.
 
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The situation appears to be as follows: your parcel has been delivered, but no one knows who received it. You can't simply claim that the UberEats driver stole it (though that is ultimately your decision). As far as Apple, the bank, the credit card issuer, and even the police are concerned, the parcel has been delivered. If you ask nicely, Apple might be able to block those two MacBooks online. You won't get your money back unless you can prove that someone else received them, in other words, that your MacBooks were stolen. It could have been someone who knew you were expecting them on that day.

Good luck!
It’s totally irrelevant. The contract is that apple use whatever method they choose to deliver the goods to the purchaser.

Even if they were stolen by a neighbour from the door, or by a receptionist, or a courier, or a random after an mis delivery. It’s on apple to resolve this, UberEats are acting on apple instruction, so it’s irrelevant what happened.

Apple needs to refund or replace for their failed delivery.
 
It’s totally irrelevant. The contract is that apple use whatever method they choose to deliver the goods to the purchaser.

Even if they were stolen by a neighbour from the door, or by a receptionist, or a courier, or a random after an mis delivery. It’s on apple to resolve this, UberEats are acting on apple instruction, so it’s irrelevant what happened.
Why do you believe it was UberEats? Read the first sentence here carefully. Does Apple link to an Uber map?
 
Why do you believe it was UberEats? Read the first sentence here carefully. Does Apple link to an Uber map?
It’s well documented everywhere that Apple use UberEats for their same day delivery options.

But let’s say it’s not uber eats. Though that would make the title incorrect. It doesn’t change the fact that it is on apple to correct mistakes made by those they instruct.
 
The courier did not complete the delivery to the purchaser. Whether maliciously or accidentally.

It is Apples responsibility to ensure that happens. Not just any delivery, but a delivery as agreed to the purchaser.
How do you prove that when the proof of delivery is available?
 
How do you prove that when the proof of delivery is available?
Depending on how far OP goes,
The validity of the proof of delivery, will ultimately be decided by a judge in a small claims court on a balance of probability.

But a courier marking something as delivered does not necessarily mean it was delivered. Of course there’s a chance we’re all being told lies by the OP this is of course the internet. However, with no reason to believe OP is trying to scam Apple. If the Police are in possession of CCTV showing the driver never entered the premises, then I find it hard to believe that a simple squiggle to say it was delivered will be accepted.

But ultimately, somebody will decide.
 
Depending on how far OP goes,
The validity of the proof of delivery, will ultimately be decided by a judge in a small claims court on a balance of probability.

But a courier marking something as delivered does not necessarily mean it was delivered. Of course there’s a chance we’re all being told lies by the OP this is of course the internet. However, with no reason to believe OP is trying to scam Apple. If the Police are in possession of CCTV showing the driver never entered the premises, then I find it hard to believe that a simple squiggle to say it was delivered will be accepted.

But ultimately, somebody will decide.
In the video here, the driver only had time to step out of the van. He was approached by someone who collected the parcel. The driver didn't have time to enter any building.
 
In the video here, the driver only had time to step out of the van. He was approached by someone who collected the parcel. The driver didn't have time to enter any building.
The driver could also have been victim of a scam too.

But that still wouldn’t absolve Apple of their responsibility in the transaction.

FWIW, I see the same mail delivery person everyday at home. I had a parcel arrive as I was coming in from shopping. He still wouldn’t hand it to me until I unlocked and opened my door so he could deliver to the address as it should be.
 
And all of them handed you a sealed package, and none waited for you to unbox it, correct?
You keep bringing up the sealed package thing. The OP is not saying that there was a package delivered without the item inside. I’m not sure where you’re getting this from.


What the OP is saying is a package was not delivered. No sealed package and no open package. Not even an empty box left on his door. I’m not sure where the confusion is coming from. Maybe someone else posted about packages being opened?
 
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