This isn't about what YOU do. 90% of computer users use their computers as internet browsers and to send e-mail. There's no point in them spending more than $1000 for a laptop, whether it's a Mac or a PC.
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This isn't about what YOU do. 90% of computer users use their computers as internet browsers and to send e-mail. There's no point in them spending more than $1000 for a laptop, whether it's a Mac or a PC.
I see my mistake now. I do understand the small business side of things. I also run my own small business with my clients spreading my computer services via word of mouth. It's just something to sate my desire to buy computer hardware and pay off a few bills. My clients do enjoy being able to call or e-mail me and get a response within a few hours ir not minutes via e-mail.
I was expecting a typical, tiresome hardware quality arguement.
I believe that Dell, Sony et al all have the same types of employees. They are just managed and directed differently than those at apple.
Pretty much right. I bet Dell wishes it was not in the commodity business. Very hard to make a living doing that.
Yup. I also bet that Dell et all wishes it had the ability to differentiate itself from it's competitors, based on something other than price.
Huh?
I assume you meant assets, not facets... Again, marketing commodities can't be fun.
The MS ads are like hand grenades, they just have to be sort of close to do some damage.
These ads are not targeting anyone posting here, except maybe for their entertainment value or whether or not you would do Lauren, taking into account she owns a PC.
The targeted audience will not read this or the other threads, and their eyes will glaze over if you try to explain the details. They just want to get something within their budget, cross it off the list and move on.
Regarding the phone call from the Apple attorney, it could be Apple didn't want a written record of implying the ads were effective but wanted MS to back off on some of their statements in the ads.
Car analogies only make sense to those that do not own high end cars, really aren't into the details about the models the way people here are into the details of computers, and aren't supporting themselves yet (if your parents are paying for your school, you're not supporting yourself). BMW and MB are expensive to maintain unless of course, you can do repairs yourself as easily as you can load Leopard on a Dell netbook. Toyotas and Hondas cost far less to maintain, have super reliability and have great customer satisfaction reputations. Hmmmm...
These ads are not targeting anyone posting here, except maybe for their entertainment value or whether or not you would do Lauren, taking into account she owns a PC.
The targeted audience will not read this or the other threads, and their eyes will glaze over if you try to explain the details. They just want to get something within their budget, cross it off the list and move on.
Regarding the phone call from the Apple attorney, it could be Apple didn't want a written record of implying the ads were effective but wanted MS to back off on some of their statements in the ads.
Car analogies only make sense to those that do not own high end cars, really aren't into the details about the models the way people here are into the details of computers, and aren't supporting themselves yet (if your parents are paying for your school, you're not supporting yourself). BMW and MB are expensive to maintain unless of course, you can do repairs yourself as easily as you can load Leopard on a Dell netbook. Toyotas and Hondas cost far less to maintain, have super reliability and have great customer satisfaction reputations. Hmmmm...
never happened
that's weird, i've owned 5 macs in the last 7 years and only ran disk utility once - to format a new external drive. maybe u had some unusual issues.
btw, this whole story is obviously a crock. apple would NEVER make such a phone call. if they had a legal objection, they would file a cease & desist or a lawsuit. there is no such thing as "someone" from apple making an informal call to M$ asking them to not compete!
c'mon people, wise up!
that's weird, i've owned 5 macs in the last 7 years and only ran disk utility once - to format a new external drive. maybe u had some unusual issues.
btw, this whole story is obviously a crock. apple would NEVER make such a phone call. if they had a legal objection, they would file a cease & desist or a lawsuit. there is no such thing as "someone" from apple making an informal call to M$ asking them to not compete!
c'mon people, wise up!
I have no doubt this call took place but not in any way as Microsoft reports it. Apple has no reason and most likely no desire to antagonize Microsoft does make some popular mac products like office. Despite the fighting between fanboys on each side the two companies do not really seem that aggressive with each other. So I could see someone from Apple calling and making a friendly request that Microsoft stop airing the ones with the incorrect pricing or fixing them so they are correct. It would be irresponsible for Apple not to ask for incorrect information not to be being advertised. A lot of big companies will communicate informally first in hopes of avoiding a legal dispute. I can not picture Apple actually trying to get Microsoft to stop those adds all together. Obviously we can wait and see whether Apple replies to this.
The Microsoft ads are pretty weak and do more good for Apple in the markets Apple is interested in than harm. Apple has already stated they are not interested in the cheap computer market. They sell a premium product to a market that can afford it. They do try and be competitive but they are not interested in bargain basement products. There are lots of people that buy products for status and because they are more expensive which shows a certain class. If people were not interested in that you wouldn't see Ferrari or BMW out there selling cars at three times the price. You can get a fast car for a lot less but it doesn't carry the prestige or the look, which is important to some. Any well produced car gets you from A to B so the only reason for difference is look and personal desire.
What is the main problem with the Microsoft ads is that Microsoft does not make a computer. So the ads are really not about Microsoft at all. The fact that Microsofts only attack on Apple is the pricing of the computer that has nothing to do with the products that actually compete is pretty sad and says that Microsoft is very aware and concerned about Apple's growing popularity.
There are a lot of posts about how Apple products are more expensive than Microsoft. That is not true in the least. Apple products might, and might is very stretched here because equivalent specs and quality parts usually put them pretty much on par with their actual hardware competitors like Sony and HP and Dell/Alienware, be more expensive then their competitors. But if we actually compare the two items where Microsoft and Apple directly compete, the OS, we find a very different picture. And we could probably fill up 1500 pages on debating the features and benefits of the two but lets not do that. Lets take a page from Microsofts' ads and look at the two simply on price.
For the Windows users who bought Vista Ultimate when it came out and spent at least $339 dollars it is going to cost them $219 dollars to buy a version of Windows 7 that has all the same features. If you have an older computer not running 2k or XP or Vista then its going to cost you $319 if you want the full featured version.
If you want a less feature filled version then you can go with Home Premium edition which if you have 2k/XP or Vista will cost you $119 dollars or if you have an earlier version $199 dollars.
Now lets look at Snow Leopard. Snow Leopard doesn't have a limited feature version that will sell for cheaper. Apple only sells one version that has all the features. So we really can't compare on pure cost Snow Leopard and Windows 7 Home premium. If you have OS 10.5 Leopard on your computer you can upgrade to Snow Leopard for $29 dollars. If you have OS 10.4 on your computer its going to cost you $169 dollars as the Mac Box Set but will include iLife and iWork which would have cost you $160 dollars to buy together if you wanted them. So for $169 dollars you get to upgrade to 10.6 and get Pages, Numbers, Keynote, iPhoto, iMovie, Garage Band, iDVD and iWeb. So how does that really compare?
Windows 7 Ultimate Upgrade costs $219 dollars to upgrade from the previous OS version vs Apples cost of $29 dollars. So the Microsoft product costs $190 dollars more to upgrade.
Windows 7 Ultimate Retail costs $319 dollars and comes just with the OS versus the Mac Box set which is $169 dollars. So the Microsoft product costs $150 dollars more and if you wanted MS Office as well (Microsoft doesn't have an equivalent of iLife really) that is going to add another $149 (and thats for the student teacher edition) taking the total cost of upgrading to get the same equivalent value to a lofty sum of $468 dollars which is $299 dollars more than if you were upgrading your older mac.
And just since there is bound to be at least one Microsoft fanboy who wants to argue the Home Premium version. The cost to upgrade from 2K/XP/Vista on that is $119 dollars which is $90 dollars more than the Apple. And for older systems its $199 dollars which is $30 dollars more than Apple and Apple will throw in iWork and iLife ($160 dollar value for free).
So the end result is that it when it comes to comparing Apple VS Windows in the one area they actually compete in together when looking just at price Apple is a lot less expensive.
The Microsoft ads are pretty weak and do more good for Apple in the markets Apple is interested in than harm. Apple has already stated they are not interested in the cheap computer market. They sell a premium product to a market that can afford it. They do try and be competitive but they are not interested in bargain basement products. There are lots of people that buy products for status and because they are more expensive which shows a certain class. If people were not interested in that you wouldn't see Ferrari or BMW out there selling cars at three times the price. You can get a fast car for a lot less but it doesn't carry the prestige or the look, which is important to some. Any well produced car gets you from A to B so the only reason for difference is look and personal desire.
What is the main problem with the Microsoft ads is that Microsoft does not make a computer. So the ads are really not about Microsoft at all. The fact that Microsofts only attack on Apple is the pricing of the computer that has nothing to do with the products that actually compete is pretty sad and says that Microsoft is very aware and concerned about Apple's growing popularity.
There are a lot of posts about how Apple products are more expensive than Microsoft. That is not true in the least. Apple products might, and might is very stretched here because equivalent specs and quality parts usually put them pretty much on par with their actual hardware competitors like Sony and HP and Dell/Alienware, be more expensive then their competitors. But if we actually compare the two items where Microsoft and Apple directly compete, the OS, we find a very different picture. And we could probably fill up 1500 pages on debating the features and benefits of the two but lets not do that. Lets take a page from Microsofts' ads and look at the two simply on price.
For the Windows users who bought Vista Ultimate when it came out and spent at least $339 dollars it is going to cost them $219 dollars to buy a version of Windows 7 that has all the same features. If you have an older computer not running 2k or XP or Vista then its going to cost you $319 if you want the full featured version.
If you want a less feature filled version then you can go with Home Premium edition which if you have 2k/XP or Vista will cost you $119 dollars or if you have an earlier version $199 dollars.
Now lets look at Snow Leopard. Snow Leopard doesn't have a limited feature version that will sell for cheaper. Apple only sells one version that has all the features. So we really can't compare on pure cost Snow Leopard and Windows 7 Home premium. If you have OS 10.5 Leopard on your computer you can upgrade to Snow Leopard for $29 dollars. If you have OS 10.4 on your computer its going to cost you $169 dollars as the Mac Box Set but will include iLife and iWork which would have cost you $160 dollars to buy together if you wanted them. So for $169 dollars you get to upgrade to 10.6 and get Pages, Numbers, Keynote, iPhoto, iMovie, Garage Band, iDVD and iWeb. So how does that really compare?
Windows 7 Ultimate Upgrade costs $219 dollars to upgrade from the previous OS version vs Apples cost of $29 dollars. So the Microsoft product costs $190 dollars more to upgrade.
Windows 7 Ultimate Retail costs $319 dollars and comes just with the OS versus the Mac Box set which is $169 dollars. So the Microsoft product costs $150 dollars more and if you wanted MS Office as well (Microsoft doesn't have an equivalent of iLife really) that is going to add another $149 (and thats for the student teacher edition) taking the total cost of upgrading to get the same equivalent value to a lofty sum of $468 dollars which is $299 dollars more than if you were upgrading your older mac.
And just since there is bound to be at least one Microsoft fanboy who wants to argue the Home Premium version. The cost to upgrade from 2K/XP/Vista on that is $119 dollars which is $90 dollars more than the Apple. And for older systems its $199 dollars which is $30 dollars more than Apple and Apple will throw in iWork and iLife ($160 dollar value for free).
So the end result is that it when it comes to comparing Apple VS Windows in the one area they actually compete in together when looking just at price Apple is a lot less expensive.
Let's break down your post real quick now.
Hardware differences that DO justify the cost?
A glass trackpad somehow justifies the cost of the system when the hardware is half of what you get with a PC? No thanks.
The car analogy fails because, again, a BMW is made from higher quality components than a Ford, and built by more highly trained workers. The BMW does not have "some" higher quality components, or a "handful" of higher quality components, it is ALL better. The MacBook (and "Pro") have the same chipsets, processors, HDDs, RAM, optical drives, screens, keyboard material, etc. found in PCs.
Now let's move on to the rest of your post.
High end unibody? Hardly high end. The only "strong" part about it is the middle piece, but you can find pictures on this forum that prove its nowhere near as strong as its claimed to be. The top and bottom aluminum covering the components and the LCD are still very soft and very easily damaged. Like I explained in my post, I've seen plastic PCs take a hit and do damage to the piece that was hit while taking no damage themselves, while I've seen the unibody Macs take a hit and become deformed. The unibody is a gimmick.
The glass trackpad is also a gimmick. Multi-touch is completely useless in the real world and, again, can't make up for the OSes lack of overall real functionality. Give me a REAL trackpad with REAL buttons.
MagSafe is a fire hazard. The cord breaks down with time and the wire becomes exposed and that creates a fire hazard. Don't believe me? Google it. I'll take an "old fashioned" power adapter any day because I know the cord won't break down with time and catch fire.
The OS? Trust me, you don't want to get me started on how incapable OS X is compared to Windows. Windows Vista and Windows 7 are better than Leopard, plain and simple. In some ways, like video playback, Windows XP is better than OS X as well.
Real world 8 hour battery life? Well, thats Apple's claim for the 17" MacBook "Pro". The smaller units clock in at 7 hours supposedly. No other laptops have this? Thats funny, because my 15.4" HP with dedicated graphics has had a 12 cell battery for the better portion of this last year. Guess how long that lasts? Yup, 7 hours REAL WORLD. And guess what? ITS USER REPLACEABLE.
So let's go back to basics here. A MacBook "Pro" either gives you much less hardware for the same price, or is priced double what it should be. For a few dollars more than the cheapest MacBook "Pro" (yes I deliberately use ""), you get faster processor, double the memory, faster and larger HDD, dual GPUs, more standard connectivity like eSATA, HDMI with audio, VGA, full size ExpressCard, multi-card readers, etc. A larger screen system for the same price will run circles around even the most expensive MacBook "Pro" and come with all of those features plus others like blu-ray.
Let's put it this way. An equally priced or half price PC will get you features that actually matter in the real world. Not any of these things that just add to the looks, like a glass trackpad or a fire hazard for a power cord. But REAL functionality, REAL connectivity and things that will help you use your computer IN THE REAL WORLD. PCs are NOT vanity computers like Macs, they are meant to be used and connected.
Wow, what a bunch of nonsense!
I've used Vista and Leopard on the same hardware, and Vista has ALWAYS felt faster on my Macs than Leopard. Always.
How is Windows Media Center lacking compared to Apple TV?
Windows Media Center's UI is light years ahead of Apple TV/Front Row. Not only that, but Windows Media Center supports multiple HDTV tuners, so you can record all of your favorite shows in high definition, it supports blu-ray playback so you can watch your favorite movies at twice the resolution and up to 10 times the bitrate of Apple TV "high definition", Windows + Windows Media Center also supports 8 channel LPCM over HDMI, so you get lossless or uncompressed audio along with that much better picture. No compressed lower than DVD audio like Apple TV.
That is complete and utter BS that was never true, and that article was written by an Apple fan. You want to try to tell me that an iMac that costs $1,000 more than a desktop PC with a quadcore processor running at a higher clock speed with a faster GPU than currently available for any Mac will run Windows better? I don't think so.
The only reason Windows runs seemingly so good on Macs is because OS X itself runs so bad
PCs are crap, eh? Thats why I can buy a PC for $2,000 less than the Mac Pro that has 90% of the processing power, probably 10x the GPU power, and is more capable in ways such as being able to play my blu-ray movies WITH HD audio?
"Just works"? Not quite. I haven't seen a BSOD since 2001. However, Tiger and Leopard have brought back the Windows 95 days of full system crashes where the entire system locks up and the computer has to be force shut down.
File systems don't do anything. They are data structures. The operating system can do things to minimize fragmentation, and it can actively defragment. OS X does both, but it only actively defragments files less than 20MB, and it doesn't prevent free-space fragmentation.
Long story short, OS X does benefit from defragmentation, either by running iDefrag, or recloning your drive from time to time with a cloner that does a file-by-file clone, instead of block-by-block. Time Machine full system restore has the same effect if you Erase your disk first.
Vista has automatic full disk defragmentation as a scheduled background task that runs from time to time. Better than OS X. XP did boot optimization defrag, as OS X also does.
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I will only reply to this part.
The glass multi-touch trackpad is VERY useful for me.
One finger,two finger and three finger. I use it almost constantly on my MBP.
Gimmick.. HA!
I will only reply to this part.
The glass multi-touch trackpad is VERY useful for me.
One finger,two finger and three finger. I use it almost constantly on my MBP.
Gimmick.. HA!
Oh Really??
I work for a major (if not huge) corporation and while I am part of IT, I spent a lot of time working with our lawyers thanks to vendor management (contracts, SOWs, you name it).
Never in a million years would a corporate lawyer simply pick up the phone and call a competitor to complain about an ad. Those things go in writing, are proofread a hundred times and then go onto the corporate letterhead. Too many things can go wrong in a phone call.
This is either:
- a very wet dream of Mr. Turner
- an attempt to justify a failing ad campaign
- some Apple fanboy putting the hateface on and trying to do some good for his religious cult (that then horribly backfired)
I work for a major (if not huge) corporation and while I am part of IT, I spent a lot of time working with our lawyers thanks to vendor management (contracts, SOWs, you name it).
Never in a million years would a corporate lawyer simply pick up the phone and call a competitor to complain about an ad. Those things go in writing, are proofread a hundred times and then go onto the corporate letterhead. Too many things can go wrong in a phone call.
This is either:
- a very wet dream of Mr. Turner
- an attempt to justify a failing ad campaign
- some Apple fanboy putting the hateface on and trying to do some good for his religious cult (that then horribly backfired)
my bmw costs $0 to maintain for the first 4 years/50000 miles
You paid for that upfront, it's built into the cost of the car, extended warranty, or prepaid maintenance agreement.
If the call took place, I feel absolutely no sympathy for Apple. If you're gonna throw punches, you should expect to be punched.
Anyway, if the adds are working as Turner claims and causing Apple to lower prices, the consumer is the winner - not MS or Apple.
Anyway, if the adds are working as Turner claims and causing Apple to lower prices, the consumer is the winner - not MS or Apple.
Dell is far from hard times. I am sure they are very content making computers that run Windows. Look at it this way, they don't have to make the CPU, hard drive, monitor, OS, etc. All they have to do is assemble the parts, configure the software and support it. Such a simple business that many got into it during the Windows 95/internet explosion of the mid-nineties. Many did not succeed, but that is competition. Dell got into the business early on and early success led to where they are today.
Let's break down your post real quick now.
Hardware differences that DO justify the cost?
A glass trackpad somehow justifies the cost of the system when the hardware is half of what you get with a PC? No thanks.
The car analogy fails because, again, a BMW is made from higher quality components than a Ford, and built by more highly trained workers. The BMW does not have "some" higher quality components, or a "handful" of higher quality components, it is ALL better. The MacBook (and "Pro") have the same chipsets, processors, HDDs, RAM, optical drives, screens, keyboard material, etc. found in PCs.
Now let's move on to the rest of your post.
High end unibody? Hardly high end. The only "strong" part about it is the middle piece, but you can find pictures on this forum that prove its nowhere near as strong as its claimed to be. The top and bottom aluminum covering the components and the LCD are still very soft and very easily damaged. Like I explained in my post, I've seen plastic PCs take a hit and do damage to the piece that was hit while taking no damage themselves, while I've seen the unibody Macs take a hit and become deformed. The unibody is a gimmick.
The glass trackpad is also a gimmick. Multi-touch is completely useless in the real world and, again, can't make up for the OSes lack of overall real functionality. Give me a REAL trackpad with REAL buttons.
MagSafe is a fire hazard. The cord breaks down with time and the wire becomes exposed and that creates a fire hazard. Don't believe me? Google it. I'll take an "old fashioned" power adapter any day because I know the cord won't break down with time and catch fire.
The OS? Trust me, you don't want to get me started on how incapable OS X is compared to Windows. Windows Vista and Windows 7 are better than Leopard, plain and simple. In some ways, like video playback, Windows XP is better than OS X as well.
Real world 8 hour battery life? Well, thats Apple's claim for the 17" MacBook "Pro". The smaller units clock in at 7 hours supposedly. No other laptops have this? Thats funny, because my 15.4" HP with dedicated graphics has had a 12 cell battery for the better portion of this last year. Guess how long that lasts? Yup, 7 hours REAL WORLD. And guess what? ITS USER REPLACEABLE.
So let's go back to basics here. A MacBook "Pro" either gives you much less hardware for the same price, or is priced double what it should be. For a few dollars more than the cheapest MacBook "Pro" (yes I deliberately use ""), you get faster processor, double the memory, faster and larger HDD, dual GPUs, more standard connectivity like eSATA, HDMI with audio, VGA, full size ExpressCard, multi-card readers, etc. A larger screen system for the same price will run circles around even the most expensive MacBook "Pro" and come with all of those features plus others like blu-ray.
Let's put it this way. An equally priced or half price PC will get you features that actually matter in the real world. Not any of these things that just add to the looks, like a glass trackpad or a fire hazard for a power cord. But REAL functionality, REAL connectivity and things that will help you use your computer IN THE REAL WORLD. PCs are NOT vanity computers like Macs, they are meant to be used and connected.
Wow, what a bunch of nonsense!
I've used Vista and Leopard on the same hardware, and Vista has ALWAYS felt faster on my Macs than Leopard. Always.
How is Windows Media Center lacking compared to Apple TV?
Windows Media Center's UI is light years ahead of Apple TV/Front Row. Not only that, but Windows Media Center supports multiple HDTV tuners, so you can record all of your favorite shows in high definition, it supports blu-ray playback so you can watch your favorite movies at twice the resolution and up to 10 times the bitrate of Apple TV "high definition", Windows + Windows Media Center also supports 8 channel LPCM over HDMI, so you get lossless or uncompressed audio along with that much better picture. No compressed lower than DVD audio like Apple TV.
That is complete and utter BS that was never true, and that article was written by an Apple fan. You want to try to tell me that an iMac that costs $1,000 more than a desktop PC with a quadcore processor running at a higher clock speed with a faster GPU than currently available for any Mac will run Windows better? I don't think so.
The only reason Windows runs seemingly so good on Macs is because OS X itself runs so bad
PCs are crap, eh? Thats why I can buy a PC for $2,000 less than the Mac Pro that has 90% of the processing power, probably 10x the GPU power, and is more capable in ways such as being able to play my blu-ray movies WITH HD audio?
"Just works"? Not quite. I haven't seen a BSOD since 2001. However, Tiger and Leopard have brought back the Windows 95 days of full system crashes where the entire system locks up and the computer has to be force shut down.
Nice post. I agree with you on some of your points, but not all. At least you bother to discuss specifics.
IMO Vista/Win 7 is not the equal of OSX...I rate it as probably about 90%. If you throw in iLife as a base-line, get me started package, I drop it to about 85%. MS is working on their .Live products that if they package properly they could close this gap. All in all, Win7/.live isn't that bad if you take the time to set things up properly and I could live with it I think. The control panel is still cluttered compared to the prefs pane of OSX. And what - I STILL can't use separate wallpaper images for my multiple displays?? Little stuff like that they need to improve if they want to be as polished as OSX.
I disagree with you on the stability comment. I find both to be equally stable.
Video playback seems equal on both platforms. I mainly use VLC for my media files and stream Netflix shows/movies.
Win7 is faster than OSX in some things, but not all. Desktop responsivness I give to Win7 and even XP. Some things, especially network related I give to OSX. You have to factor that OSX uses a more sophisticated display technology than Win7. Display PostScript allows OSX to do some really neat things that Win7 can't, or at least doesn't. But then again, I really appreciate the responsiveness of the Win7/XP desktop when I experience it. It's a trade off like anything else. It will be interesting to compare the new Finder in SL to see if this has improved at all. Don't get me started on gaming. The Mac is a complete failure in that category compared to the PC.
Your right on about AppleTV. Epic Fail. Mostly due to content selection and pricing models. It's not a direct competitor to MSMC so can't really compare that. I don't know that the multi-tuner high-def media center is large enough for Apple to succeed in it either. Most evidence points to online streaming and on demand as the future, even for high-def, so it may be a moot point.
Err... again, what "dealer"? The dealer is Apple. I get the same Chinese Macs everyone else gets, straight from the factory, no middle hands, no dealers.
Humidity and extreme temperatures? I live in Sweden, it's dry and never hotter than 30°C/85°F. You guys really go to extreme lengths to find faults other than Apple's quality problems. It's an iMac with a dead PSU, what's the big surprise? I'm probably the 10,000th person this has happened to.
As for the MBP's flaws -- other than the dodgy battery I got, the rest I listed are construction flaws. The hinges are too weak to hold the giant screen in place unless it's in an upright position. The sound card pops due to DC offset affects all MBPs with a Realtek chip, it's an ancient and well known issue. The feet are notoriously slippery, every Mac owner who bought the same laptop stand as me is reporting this issue on sites like Amazon. I should've known, really... Johnny Ive just drew whatever he thought looked cool, someone else had to figure out how to make it into an actual physical object and did the best he could without compromising the holy aesthetics... hey, at least the hinges hold together, they don't snap off like twigs like they did on the PowerBook Titanium or the MBA.
This should be a sitcom
You guys kill me.
I've had 15 years of Microsoft, HP, Dell, IBM and even an Acer.
I've had 3 years of Apple.
How about some real world experience, buy a few computers, get a few users, follow them around, report back. Then switch the computers, follow them around, report back. See what they have to say!!
Buy what makes you happy! I don't care about the guy next to me and his *(&(&^^*, I didn't buy it!!
Who cares if Apple called MS. I don't really care, don't believe it and I don't care. That's like saying Did Angelia call Jennifer.
You gotta find something better to occupy your time with. Basket weaving has may provide you hours of fun. How about using that fantastic computer your so proud of and do something productive to be proud of. HP, Dell, MS, and Apple would rather you vote with your Dollars, Euros, Yen, Visa, AMEX and MasterCard. They're not reading forums trying to get a feel for your thoughts!
If anyone had/has a "perfect" anything, everyone who can afford it has one or wants one. For those things in various levels of "less than perfect" find the one that suits you best and roll with it.
You guys kill me.
I've had 15 years of Microsoft, HP, Dell, IBM and even an Acer.
I've had 3 years of Apple.
How about some real world experience, buy a few computers, get a few users, follow them around, report back. Then switch the computers, follow them around, report back. See what they have to say!!
Buy what makes you happy! I don't care about the guy next to me and his *(&(&^^*, I didn't buy it!!
Who cares if Apple called MS. I don't really care, don't believe it and I don't care. That's like saying Did Angelia call Jennifer.
You gotta find something better to occupy your time with. Basket weaving has may provide you hours of fun. How about using that fantastic computer your so proud of and do something productive to be proud of. HP, Dell, MS, and Apple would rather you vote with your Dollars, Euros, Yen, Visa, AMEX and MasterCard. They're not reading forums trying to get a feel for your thoughts!
If anyone had/has a "perfect" anything, everyone who can afford it has one or wants one. For those things in various levels of "less than perfect" find the one that suits you best and roll with it.
Vista's about 70% of Snow Leopard technologically and capabilities.
Display Postscript was co-developed by Adobe and NeXT with Adobe holding the bulk of the patents.
Upon merging with Apple Adobe wanted a $10/copy fee which for a consumer priced OS was a large raping [people bitched about $1 for firewire].
Apple then developed Display PDF with all patents being owned by them and continue to extend it with Adobe opening up PDF as an ISO standard.
Apple Display PDF has influenced the creation of Cairo [http://cairographics.org/] on the Free Desktop Org group, for one example.