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clevin

macrumors G3
Aug 6, 2006
9,095
1
I'm pretty upset over the price of Mercedes cars too. I mean, in this economy, I'd love to be driving one - but they can't keep asking a premium for their cars when I can get a Chevy Cobalt for at least HALF the price!

I already went and bought a "luxury sedan" from Hyundai, but I had to return that.... Now, I dunno -- maybe I'll just buy a used Chrysler and put Mercedes logos all over it.

you are rich enough, sorry 1 billion computer users out in this world aren't that rich to understand your brilliant analogue. For us poor people, Toyota just does good enough job as Mercedes, take my a$$ from home to work.
 

NT1440

macrumors Pentium
May 18, 2008
15,093
22,159
So yea, have we had any actual confirmation into what was said? Call me a skeptic but I don't believe a MS guy wouldn't put a spin on what was actually said, if apple lawyers are involved i bet it has to do something with falsehoods in the MS ads.
 

oban14

macrumors 6502a
Jan 4, 2008
554
1
Okay...your thinking is not warped this is just my opinion on the matter. So you walk into a store and you are going to buy a computer. If you see the MBP you are going to say wow thats a lot of money. Then if you go to the Windows section you will say hmm...these are cheeper. But why is that? In my opinion, the MBP is a higher end machine than the laptop the person walks out of the store with. Apple doesn't really make a "low end" computer, which right or wrong is in a way being exploited by Microsoft. It isn't so much the price difference between a comparable PC and Mac, it is the price difference between the average PC and the average Mac. Hopefully that makes sense... It is like arguing that cadillac must be a bad brand because the average cadillac costs more than the average honda. But if I compared a lexus with a cadillac there might be some difference but not like what they portray on the commercial.

There is nothing "higher end" about a mac other than the OS. All mac and PC laptops are using the same intel chips, same ram, same hard drives, and they're all made via slave wages in identical looking factories in China.

PC laptops are always going to be cheaper when comparing hardware. They have the advantage of built in blu ray and other options that Apple doesn't provide. They also have the advantage of multiple competing companies, which drives down costs and encourages innovation.

That said, I might like the new "button less" track pads more than any PC laptop mouse interface. The two finger "right click" was the one thing macs were missing that drove me nuts. The IBM ThinkPad "red button" is the only mouse control in the PC world that I would consider to be as good or possibly better. Dell, HP, and various other companies have tried to emulate it but none of them have.

You might like the look of a macbook pro over a PC laptop, you might strongly prefer OSX, and you might like the new mouse interface macs use. But don't try to convince yourself or anyone else that it's a higher end computer in terms of hardware.
 

NT1440

macrumors Pentium
May 18, 2008
15,093
22,159
Buildwise macs reign supreme. Yes you can get a well built PC but it often ends up more pricey than a mac.
 

StrokeMidnight

macrumors member
Jun 22, 2007
64
0
I'm pretty upset over the price of Mercedes cars too. I mean, in this economy, I'd love to be driving one - but they can't keep asking a premium for their cars when I can get a Chevy Cobalt for at least HALF the price!

I already went and bought a "luxury sedan" from Hyundai, but I had to return that.... Now, I dunno -- maybe I'll just buy a used Chrysler and put Mercedes logos all over it.

:confused: You're completely missing the point. This is not a luxury car. It's a computer.

Computers are made to do jobs, not to be a luxury item bought for it's brand name. When people can get a computer that does the job better for less money it's a problem.

People buy Macs for their ease of use and stability. Not because it's Apple. If they buy them because they are Apple that's a problem in itself. Here's a better analogy:

I wanted to buy a Mercedes pick up truck to get a job done (do they make these? I'm curious), but realized I was paying twice as much for a truck that could do half as much work as a truck that is half the price. I bought a Toyota truck because it could do more for less.

The part about me returning the Dell is irrelevant. I ordered an iMac and had to return it because of defects as well. So I bought a Mercedes, then returned it for a cheap car which did more, but I returned that too?

Now the problem is not really that Macs do less, it's that, at least in the desktop world, they have no in between. You either pay money for an all-in-one that is comparably priced to PC all in ones that are meant to be used for home use like browsing the web, editing home movies, etc, or spend TONS of money for a Mac Pro for professionals that are comparably priced to PC workstations. There is no in between for people like me who are not professionals and can't afford that much money, but are still serious about their creations. I'm only in highschool, but I need to run really high power programs and I plan to go into film scoring in college. I need a computer with 4 cores at least, preferably 8 cores, and at least 8GB RAM. I got a PC with 8 cores and 12GB RAM for $1,500 (with a monitor) which is the same price as an iMac with less than half the specs. Tell me a Mac I can get with those specs for the same price.

Don't get me wrong, I love Apple and I despise Windows, but Mac needs to work out it's kinks in it's product line. Until then I'm forced to work on a PC.

Pssst! Apple! Make a desktop that isn't an all in one, isn't space saving, and has the architecture of gaming PC for around $1,000!
 

Eidorian

macrumors Penryn
Mar 23, 2005
29,190
386
Indianapolis
Now that part is true. However that doesn't mean they make all the computers the same.;)
True it does seem that everyone was hit with bad capacitors back in 2004/2005.

Yup, yet macs dont really tend to just fall apart. Ive never had a PC that didnt have a plastic this or that break off randomly.
Do MacBook upper cases count? Perhaps a battery that isn't flush?
 

Peace

Cancelled
Apr 1, 2005
19,546
4,557
Space The Only Frontier
True it does seem that everyone was hit with bad capacitors back in 2004/2005.

Do MacBook upper cases count? Perhaps a battery that isn't flush?

I know you're a Windows person. Can you please explain to me why you show a hackintosh in your signature ? Or am I reading that wrong ? :)

[edit] I'm reading it wrong.nevermind [/edit]
 

PenguinPower

macrumors member
Jun 23, 2009
43
0
When I become dictator of the world, the first brutal marshal law I am going to enact is that anyone which makes a comparison between the operation/cost/brand of a car and some other device will be put to death on sight.
 

Eidorian

macrumors Penryn
Mar 23, 2005
29,190
386
Indianapolis
I know you're a Windows person. Can you please explain to me why you show a hackintosh in your signature ? Or am I reading that wrong ? :)
I don't know about you but I don't have a Hackintosh. My MacBook does its mundane tasks so well that I can't bring myself to replace it.
 

chgojcs

macrumors member
Feb 9, 2008
99
0
When I become dictator of the world, the first brutal marshal law I am going to enact is that anyone which makes a comparison between the operation/cost/brand of a car and some other device will be put to death on sight.
You have my vote.
 

Bpittyred23

macrumors newbie
Jul 16, 2009
1
0
Let's see what happens when they turn it on...

I am surprised to hear that apple is getting upset at the lame marketing efforts by MS. But if they want to get back, just hit em where it hurts the most... Build a campaign that shows the little 10 year old kid having to come back to the store to get the "better deal" fixed because it has issues...and see if that fits in the "under $1,500 dollar budget" MS's got nothin.
 

Mac Kiwi

macrumors 6502a
Apr 29, 2003
520
10
New Zealand
Regardless of the ads and the hardware,Apple legal are just not stupid enough to call MS and moan....Jobs would have a fit at them.


Its more likely the MS team have decided to dent Apple sales with half truths,hoping the media takes it up and runs with it "as" truth.Or Apple are using a double sting because maybe,they believe the ads damage MS?


Regardless I just do not think Apple legal are that stupid to call and whine.
 

Eidorian

macrumors Penryn
Mar 23, 2005
29,190
386
Indianapolis
Seeing as we live in the present, you'd think everyone would get I was talking about the current lineup.
I have to buy the current lineup in order to have had it right in the first place? :eek:

My MacBook works just fine thank you. I don't see a reason to buy something new that I don't need.
 

charlituna

macrumors G3
Jun 11, 2008
9,636
816
Los Angeles, CA
At least Apple is enjoying a monopoly by not licensing their software to run on any other hardware but their own.

hate to break it to you, but the market is Personal Computers, not Macintosh Computers. as validated by the courts. and Apple with only like 6.5% market share does not have a monopoly. so, again validated by the courts, Apple can tie hardware and software all they want. your choice is to buy or not to buy.
 

NT1440

macrumors Pentium
May 18, 2008
15,093
22,159
I have to buy the current lineup in order to have it fixed? :eek:

My MacBook works just fine thank you. I don't see a reason to buy something new that I don't need.

What are you on about? When talking about better build quality I'm talking about the unibody design....you know, because that is what apple is selling now.

I don't bring up the past when talking about the present.
 

chgojcs

macrumors member
Feb 9, 2008
99
0
hate to break it to you, but the market is Personal Computers, not Macintosh Computers. as validated by the courts. and Apple with only like 6.5% market share does not have a monopoly. so, again validated by the courts, Apple can tie hardware and software all they want. your choice is to buy or not to buy.
Exactly. If this is the argument people make, then can I get the craptastic Verizon UI on my iPhone?
 

Eidorian

macrumors Penryn
Mar 23, 2005
29,190
386
Indianapolis
What are you on about? When talking about better build quality I'm talking about the unibody design....you know, because that is what apple is selling now.

I don't bring up the past when talking about the present.
The plastic MacBook is still sold today.
 
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