Really? Being a suspect from the day you were born doesn't bother you at all? Fascinating, Captain.......
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Apple Denies Knowledge of NSA's iPhone Spying Program
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Really? Being a suspect from the day you were born doesn't bother you at all? Fascinating, Captain.......
I'm not a conspiracy theorist but do people actually think that just because Apple says this means anything? (If false) They could inform Apple that it's in our nation's best interest for us to not be in-the-know, et cetera., and "ask" them to release a statement like this.
+1
I'm almost 100% certain most of these deniers of logic sang a different tune between the years 2001-2008.
If the NSA have my credit card details, are they going to make purchases with it? There are people that would, but not them.
This "hack" was used back in the days when iOS was called iPhone OS. I wonder does that hack work in 2013 with iOS 7.0.4.
Really? The whole statement seems pretty succinct to me. How should they have worded it in a way that wouldn't seem weaselly to you?
Big Brother IS watching you. And if you think it's no big deal just because you have nothing to hide, think again.
Do you not think that our government sees us as sheeple, that are dependent on their system for survival, and that they know what is best for us? That has been proven time and time again. Laws are passed even if they are against the will of the people (see: Wendy Davis/Rick Perry).
With us being under constant surveillance in public (stores, shopping malls, city streets), and then this revelation that the NSA has extended that surveillance into the private realm, what is to say that that power will not be abused? Perhaps an NSA operative seeking revenge over a marriage or relationship gone bad? Someone seeking to reap some sort of financial gain by knowing insider information or trade secrets?
Call me paranoid, but we have to make a stand at some point so we don't give up all of our freedoms. I don't think our forefathers has this in mind when they created this democracy.
I do realize there are permissible reasons for spying on people, especially those involved with terrorist organizations or those operating as an independent cell. But that is a small minority of the population.
Do you not think that our government sees us as sheeple, that are dependent on their system for survival, and that they know what is best for us? That has been proven time and time again. Laws are passed even if they are against the will of the people (see: Wendy Davis/Rick Perry).
With us being under constant surveillance in public (stores, shopping malls, city streets), and then this revelation that the NSA has extended that surveillance into the private realm, what is to say that that power will not be abused? Perhaps an NSA operative seeking revenge over a marriage or relationship gone bad? Someone seeking to reap some sort of financial gain by knowing insider information or trade secrets?
Call me paranoid, but we have to make a stand at some point so we don't give up all of our freedoms. I don't think our forefathers has this in mind when they created this democracy.
I do realize there are permissible reasons for spying on people, especially those involved with terrorist organizations or those operating as an independent cell. But that is a small minority of the population.
the issue is that the NSA can easily hack into lets say a journalists computer and delete the stuff they found on wrong doings by the government or use those infos to blackmail other coorperations or even countries. so much for free speech and first step into a police state. im not even kidding
Would you be ok with them searching your home when you're not around? It's pretty much the same thing.
Some things shouldn't be allowed, simple as that.
No, I wouldn't. But the Internet is not the same thing. The technology allows it, so you have to accept it. Should the Internet be banned from identifying your IP address?
Fine, don't post your credit card details.
Now what is your full name, your full address, where do you work, what are the names of your family members.
Remember, if you don't have anything to hide, you should have absolutely ZERO hesitation in posting this information.
Oh... maybe you do have something to hide. You must be a terrorist! Or a communist! Someone get the police over to MrSmith's house, he's going to kill people.
This is all laughable
my goodness people
some of you sound like everyone is after you! Apple
the NSA
etc
Yeah this is not cool of the NSA and they seem to have overstepped their bounds, but I don't believe there's some huge conspiracy to spy on the average person.
Yeah this is not cool of the NSA and they seem to have overstepped their bounds, but I don't believe there's some huge conspiracy to spy on the average person.
In what universe where strangers can have illegitimate access to the data on your computer is an acceptable thing?
Man, that's not even close to the point...
Let me give you a scenario that I can't imagine occurring but for the sake of the argument. I trust you are an Obama supporter and that's fine for you. It's likely the reason you are so blase about this.
Pretend some unknown with great fanfare and huge support comes out of the republican party. They're moderate and obtains huge support in the election. Country has a newfound excitement after another disappointing president...
Turns out he was posing as a moderate and shifts hard into a weird fascist position and congress wont do anything because they are all pretty much working together anyways.
Well, this newly elected president decides to use the NSA to snoop on opponents of his regime. Maybe "fundamentalists" (read, tea party or liberals who sympathize with marxism).
You, being a liberal with leanings for "social justice" or whatever pet politics you favor puts you at odds with the new president...
Perhaps, one time in your young life, you stumbled upon a porn site that had a kiddy porn category on it and you clicked away, but it was too late. NSA collected data that you visited that site. Or perhaps you bought a bag of weed and that seller is a contact in your address book? Maybe you downloaded a torrent with pirated movies or a cracked serial number?
Now they trump up charges of conspiracy to child pornography or trafficking controlled substance or some other incriminating action and use it to either manipulate you or use you as an example?
Does this scenarios sound like science fiction because it's not a difficult thing for the government to do, ya know.
Ignorance is bliss until you're made aware...
Wow, there are a lot of people who think they're more important than they are when things like this come up. If the NSA or any other agency is hacking iPhones that are used by any one of the vast majority of people who live their lives like most of us do - that is, working, eating, sleeping, etc., then the issue we should be angry about isn't privacy related, but rather the fact that government is wasting time and money digging into the boring lives of Americans (or any other global citizens).
The fear that people have that "the government" is going to lock them up, take their guns, steal their money, or walk their dogs, is paranoid and delusional. Remember, the government is made up of people just like you and me, with family and friends who are trying to live their lives as best they can. Of course there are bad people in government, just like there are good people in government. That's how society works. You get the good and the bad in any society.
Worry instead about banks not loaning money to those that need it. It's big business and banks that are more liable to cause you some personal harm.
The fear that people have that "the government" is going to lock them up, take their guns, steal their money, or walk their dogs, is paranoid and delusional. Remember, the government is made up of people just like you and me, with family and friends who are trying to live their lives as best they can. Of course there are bad people in government, just like there are good people in government. That's how society works. You get the good and the bad in any society.
Worry instead about banks not loaning money to those that need it. It's big business and banks that are more liable to cause you some personal harm.
A leaked document does not prove anything. It does not prove that this system was ever deployed in mass, or that it ever worked all. I am sure there were many attempts and may designs that either failed or were never implemented for lots of reasons.
This 2008 document have so many holes in it, I would disregard it just based on that. Like, an iPhone in those days did not contain a GPS or video camera. Or, how did they get their hands on the phone in the first place? There would have to be a conspiracy between FoxConn, US Customs, FedEx and UPS to intercept the iPhone shipments, unpackaged them, install the software, and repackage it like nothing ever happened. Oh, and by the way, no one in over 5 years has seen this software on a iPhone.
This 2008 document have so many holes in it, I would disregard it just based on that. Like, an iPhone in those days did not contain a GPS or video camera. Or, how did they get their hands on the phone in the first place? There would have to be a conspiracy between FoxConn, US Customs, FedEx and UPS to intercept the iPhone shipments, unpackaged them, install the software, and repackage it like nothing ever happened. Oh, and by the way, no one in over 5 years has seen this software on a iPhone.
Well from what I've read in the previous article about NSA being able to have a backdoor to any iOS device. It was not really clear that they had to have physical access to the devices in order to have that backdoor. They are essentially jailbreaking devices and installing custom software. It has nothing to do with Apple and you can simply reflash your device to get rid of it.
Categorically false. Local government, sure. Federal level is made up of insiders and establishments who value power way more than your inane emails.
Apple is so involved, and it is not just Apple if you watch the presentation with actual NSA slides you would see that they have infected the Bios on a number of machines, disc drives firmware so formatting does not remove it, routers etc. etc.
They even name the manufacturers and model numbers of compromised machines included Dell, HP, Apple and many others.
There is even a view that they may have Apple software keys for the iphone.
http://rt.com/usa/appelbaum-30c3-nsa-snowden-986/
They even name the manufacturers and model numbers of compromised machines included Dell, HP, Apple and many others.
There is even a view that they may have Apple software keys for the iphone.
http://rt.com/usa/appelbaum-30c3-nsa-snowden-986/
That's a pretty amusing yet all too true example. And for those that want actual accounts of what happened to people in the past, I suggest you read up on a couple of cases dealing with the Fourth Amendment.