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Apple Denies Knowledge of NSA's iPhone Spying Program
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That is assuming everybody that is working for the NSA is perfect and can do no wrong..... com'on... you must be trolling at this point.
NSA exposes the next big iPhone apps?
Maybe one of the employees or contractors in NSA has different motives... knowledge is power.. like someone said, how do you know that this won't be abused? We know they spied on their spouses and even would-be dates...
This, basically. Despite presumptions above, I'm not American. But then this problem is not solely American. It's just American paranoia.
Look, it's as simple as the basic principles of information flow and leakage.
The more people that have X information, the more the integrity of X
is weakened. X doesnt have to be anything more than your social security number.
i.e.
If you post a flyer outdoors in 1 location you will have only a certain amount of people who see it.
If you post a flyer outside in multiple locations, your information will spread much quicker.
You will see the spillage of that information spread, and the more it spreads, well... the more it spreads and
this is why it is a big deal.
Say you and (now) purportedly 5 other NSA agents have your bank account numbers, social security numbers, and whatever
else. That's already too many. What if one of them accidentally leaves the laptop containing that very information somewhere?
I have been involved with the idiots that work in the gov't,
(http://www.fiercegovernmentit.com/story/doe-confirms-july-2013-cyber-incident-impacting-53000-employees/2013-09-04),
and this very thing has already happened to me. I don't want
ANYONE other than who needs it to have my information. Why should I trust anyone I don't know personally?
That's right, I shouldn't. Especially when they're known to be liars and manipulators.
It's one thing to have it stolen right from you, but a completely different thing to know that it
was stolen from somewhere that you didn;t given DIRECT consent to.
Yes, the NSA is a good security measure for serious incident prevention but why can they abuse it without
repercusions? Something needs to be in place so these people answer to their wrong-doings. That's a MUST.
The more people that have X information, the more the integrity of X
is weakened. X doesnt have to be anything more than your social security number.
i.e.
If you post a flyer outdoors in 1 location you will have only a certain amount of people who see it.
If you post a flyer outside in multiple locations, your information will spread much quicker.
You will see the spillage of that information spread, and the more it spreads, well... the more it spreads and
this is why it is a big deal.
Say you and (now) purportedly 5 other NSA agents have your bank account numbers, social security numbers, and whatever
else. That's already too many. What if one of them accidentally leaves the laptop containing that very information somewhere?
I have been involved with the idiots that work in the gov't,
(http://www.fiercegovernmentit.com/story/doe-confirms-july-2013-cyber-incident-impacting-53000-employees/2013-09-04),
and this very thing has already happened to me. I don't want
ANYONE other than who needs it to have my information. Why should I trust anyone I don't know personally?
That's right, I shouldn't. Especially when they're known to be liars and manipulators.
It's one thing to have it stolen right from you, but a completely different thing to know that it
was stolen from somewhere that you didn;t given DIRECT consent to.
Yes, the NSA is a good security measure for serious incident prevention but why can they abuse it without
repercusions? Something needs to be in place so these people answer to their wrong-doings. That's a MUST.
uhh... the purpose of the nsa is to spy for terriorst activities (so they say), so yea, they are spying on you. They might not be reading your mail directly but they could be filtering keywords from your email, and if anything triggers in their system I'm sure they would dig deeper to make sure you're not a threat against national security.
I'm positive Apple has never worked with NSA
However, there are many more intelligence agency that they could have worked with to create such software. We all must face the fact in today's electronic world privacy is a myth.
However, there are many more intelligence agency that they could have worked with to create such software. We all must face the fact in today's electronic world privacy is a myth.
No they don't. Just because someone leaves themselves open to an attack or makes a lapse in judgement doesn't mean they deserve to suffer.
and your gfs/wifes info, information on everybody in your contacts, access to your photos, camera, your location via gps.
And of the two entities, you believe that Apple is lying???
What the NSA is talking about is no different than an iOS jailbreak exploit, and they need Apple's cooperation about as much as a teenage evad3rs hacker does.
It's not about American paranoia, it's about violating our constitutional rights against unreasonable searches and seizures. What they're doing goes against the core founding principles of this country.
I guess if my ex girlfriends find nude pics of themselves on some website after we break up I can now just say it was the NSA. Some NSA code monkey accessed my phone, took "compromising" photos from my phone, and posted them online. Who's to say it isn't possible?
And you see I'm pretty sure they would not. A word or two is not going to trigger them to look at anything Now, if I started emailing to a known terrorist person or group, sure, I'm guessing they would want to know more. But even if they did deeper due to some key words I have nothing to hide. They don't care about anything I'm doing I'm sure.
The bigger question is, what they are doing is it ethical or legal? And, if they are "breaking the rules" is it really to keep us safe? Anyone who thinks it's just the U.S. doing these sort of things is nuts it's easy to assume China, Russia and other countries are doing the same thing in reverse and maybe for different reasons other than national security.
Don't take that as defending the NSA I'm not. Just bringing some reality to the conversation. The paranoia I see here is over the top.
As a note, the iPhone 3G had gps and a camera, and was released 7/2008.
The leaked document is a capabilities slide, with a five-eyes classification (FVEY). That's generally a good sign that it's accurate. You can look up what 5-eyes means. And in 2008, there were lots of holes in iOS. That was before they stuck Javascript in its own sandbox.
So yeah, I'd say this document was a pretty accurate statement of the NSA's capabilities at the time.
I think it is funny the minute people try to argue a more reasonable look at the situation you are automatically labeled an idiot, some people should realize that the world is not just black or white, one side or the other etc.
This is something i'll never agree with the Obama Administration and democrats on...and Im somone who believes wholeheartedly in single payer healthcare and that 25% actual taxes collected by the federal government on the richest americans is way too low. The NSA was tracking dates and lovers. Those people werent terrorists. The NSA is grossly abusing their power. Im kinda hoping republicans use this to attack the Obama Administration and democrats get hammered in 2014 as a result of these NSA revelations. Theyll learn that this isnt acceptable. I may not vote for Republicans but Im not obligated to help democrats or vote for them.
When Obama was a Senator he didnt even agree with the Obama of today on the NSA.
When Obama was a Senator he didnt even agree with the Obama of today on the NSA.
You're damned right about that! So many have died for the rights and freedoms that we have in this country and I don't let a day go by that I don't remember those that sacrificed themselves. I guess it's something you'll never understand since your NOT an American.
You don't think it's "breaking the rules" when the NSA is violating your 4th amendment right in the United States constitution?