They need to keep a lower end for people buying minis. I thought even getting rid of the 17 inch model was a bad idea for this reason. They need an inexpensive monitor to go with the mini. No one buying a mini is going to buy a monitor that costs more than the computer, so it's not like they would be cannibalizing sales or anything. And by not offering it, they ensure that all mini purchasers will be buying their monitors elsewhere, which is lost business.
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Apple Discontinues 20" Cinema Display, Product Refreshes Coming?
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They need to keep a lower end for people buying minis. I thought even getting rid of the 17 inch model was a bad idea for this reason. They need an inexpensive monitor to go with the mini. No one buying a mini is going to buy a monitor that costs more than the computer, so it's not like they would be cannibalizing sales or anything. And by not offering it, they ensure that all mini purchasers will be buying their monitors elsewhere, which is lost business.
Funny how all of these things are happening after Jobs is off the field
I think he made the mistake of saying "over my dead body" a little too loudly one day.
Whatever gave you the idea Apple monitors were high-end 'pro'?
Nothing gave me that impression, although I know lots of fellow designers who were tricked into that view from apples marketing shpeel on their site, hence the endless rows of craptastic cinema displays sitting in studios here in London.
Holy crap. I never saw that line from Dell (need to go there more often). I think I am in love
Couple of thoughts... 1) I just recently sold an eMac (1.25ghz G4 with DVD burner). I sold it because I didn't need two computers; it still ran plenty fast. Some guy got it for 200 bucks and it has a good couple of years of useful life left in it. No it's not a dual core Intel, but for using Office and getting online it does fine. I bring this example up so say that it isn't Apple's fault that we want the latest and the greatest. We're stat/spec people and we like to be able to say "Well I have the 2.4 ghz MacBook" to the person who bought the 2.0...when in reality the difference is more perceived than actual. To me what has made the difference in terms of upgrades is better L2 cache, better front side bus speeds, faster RAM etc. I mean 5 years ago I had a Pentium 4 Toshiba laptop running at 2.2 ghz. I guarantee you that my 2.4 ghz MB Pro would smoke that Toshiba but not because it has a faster processor. G4's and G5's are still great processors and can do a lot and not everybody needs to keep upgrading. It used to be said about a Mac that it would have like double the useful life that a PC had. Apple hasn't really changed that! We have!
So yes, Apple may make bigger and better but it doesn't mean we have to buy it all the time. Chances are, the Mac you have right now is more than what you need anyway; it will run Snow Leopard fine when that arrives and it will continue to serve you well as long as you take care of it.
Now, in regard to Blu-Ray. I mentioned earlier that my eMac had a DVD burner. I think I can count on 2 hands the number of times I actually used that DVD burner. Everything is digital! BluRay to me is just a stop gap technology. I'd be surprised if Apple even sold any computers with optical drives in just a few short years, especially when you have these massive hard drive sizes these days. I mean you can put a couple of terabyte drives in a desktop these days. That's insane! 20 GB used to be considered massive--what 6, 7 years ago? We have thumb drives that can hold 16 and 32 GB and even more now, so why even use a disk? It's the age of the digital downloads -- Tivo, Slingbox, Apple TV etc. BluRay to me is already antiquated technology. I know I will catch some flack for saying that but notice I said "for me". There may be some of you out there that have a real need for BluRay etc. but I don't and it's definitely not a selling point on me buying a computer. I could care less if it's on there or not. And so I go back to my original comment about stats and specs: if Apple released an iMac next week that was say a 2.8ghz with a 20" screen and BluRay (keeping in mind that the fastest 20" is currently 2.66ghz and has no BluRay) there would be people out there who own the 2.4 or 2.66ghz and would try and sell theirs on craigslist so they could buy the new one, even though they'd probably never even use BluRay. We are stats/specs people.
Apple didn't make us get on their wagon; we got on their ourselves and we are responsible for our buying decisions.
i really don't understand this move. now they only have the 30" monitor that can work with the mac pro. and can a mac mini work with a 30"?
In fact, when I paid $833 for my brand new mini in December of '06, it already chaffed my butt to pay that much for an, albeit recently introduced, somewhat underpowered and made from old scraps machine, so you better believe I got a 19" widescreen TFT from BestBuy instead, for $149.
Also doubled the RAM to 2GB later on, and installed a 320 GB, 16 MB cache, 7,200 RPM hard drive a couple of months ago. Of course now the "super drive" is going (it has recently turned itself into a mere "combo" drive), so I'll be replacing that. Unless there's a compelling reason to buy something from Apple, and given the track record since about 2006, I really can't see what that would be. But for top of the line prices, I think I can expect top of the line hardware, and software that actually does what it's promising. When I _pay_ for it, not maybe a few years down the road. Apple right now is going the path of Palm and Microsoft. Promises, promises, and freaking delusions of grandeur.
Well? For those who want the latest and the greatest, Apple isn't delivering. And the ones who don't want the latest and greatest...well, those aren't buying.
apple is definitely holding back on any refreshes due to the economy.
I think they could have had the desktop refreshes ready for macworld if they wanted...introduce it in January, release around this time...
they probably are waiting to send the orders to turn on the production machines to make sure we dont enter the next great depression. No matter how good you may be...people wont buy your products if they dont have money...apple knows this.
meanwhile..just keep spending on that R&D...
I think they could have had the desktop refreshes ready for macworld if they wanted...introduce it in January, release around this time...
they probably are waiting to send the orders to turn on the production machines to make sure we dont enter the next great depression. No matter how good you may be...people wont buy your products if they dont have money...apple knows this.
meanwhile..just keep spending on that R&D...
Trying to figure out why you think this reasoning is absurd. Every day the economic news is worse and worse and consumer confidence is falling and falling. Apple may be able to weather all of this better than some of the other computer/electronics companies because they have the hot product, but eventually everyone is affected, even mighty Apple. Perhaps they want to clear out as much inventory as possible before releasing anything new.
Sorry but I don't know anyone who wants blue ray for data storage. Just buy more hard drives for that, it's much cheaper and quicker.
What people want it for is to watch proper high definition movies (in 1080) the reason blue ray drives are not available on apple systems is nothing other than the fact that apple would like people to spend money renting low resolution movies from the itunes store, this is not innovation, this is the worst type of protectionist economics...
Movies on blue ray disc look great, far better and more convienient than downloading crap resolution videos from the itunes store and I can lend them to my friends.
Well, IMO Apple has lost the plot and if anything, started to create new Apple haters.
Its not so much that Im now an Apple hater; but if the company I admired so much (and spent so much money with and used to beat PC users down with) cant even be ar***d to give me a current desktop product to buy; or a monitor to add as a dual display when I buy it (a new iMac!) then sorry, their loss!
Engadget showed off the new Shuttle i7 offering today for under $700 ... me thinks its time to switch back to PC - not through want but through sense and necessity! Sure Ill miss iLife but it wont realistically be worth whatever the difference between the Shuttle and new iMac will be (will it?)
Apple a PC maker I think not; its only bothered with iPods, iPhones and laptops (and it cant even follow market trends and pricing on the later!)
Bye bye Apple, hello fast and low cost PC (and some great games!!!!)
Its not so much that Im now an Apple hater; but if the company I admired so much (and spent so much money with and used to beat PC users down with) cant even be ar***d to give me a current desktop product to buy; or a monitor to add as a dual display when I buy it (a new iMac!) then sorry, their loss!
Engadget showed off the new Shuttle i7 offering today for under $700 ... me thinks its time to switch back to PC - not through want but through sense and necessity! Sure Ill miss iLife but it wont realistically be worth whatever the difference between the Shuttle and new iMac will be (will it?)
Apple a PC maker I think not; its only bothered with iPods, iPhones and laptops (and it cant even follow market trends and pricing on the later!)
Bye bye Apple, hello fast and low cost PC (and some great games!!!!)
What people want it for is to watch proper high definition movies (in 1080) the reason blue ray drives are not available on apple systems is nothing other than the fact that apple would like people to spend money renting low resolution movies from the itunes store, this is not innovation, this is the worst type of protectionist economics...
Movies on blue ray disc look great, far better and more convienient than downloading crap resolution videos from the itunes store and I can lend them to my friends.
These are the reasons we don't have 1080p video in iTunes:
1. ISPs throttle bandwidth
2. The infrastructure for decently fast downloads does not exist.
3. The Apple TV doesn't support them (come on Atom/Ion Apple TV!).
You'll be back. I was like you once. Played with Winblows for a while until i realized that it's . . . still Windows. Once Apple rolls out their new tech and you outgrow/get tired of those "great games' (not really great, after all), you'll come back to Apple for the same reasons you chose Apple in the first place.
Enjoy.
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The reason that APPLE CANNOT WAIT to introduce new high value desktop and internet-portable computers, is because this guy is completely correct.
We have our Mac OS values. We know what we want, and what we like. That unfortunately SHACKLES US to certain hardware, or hacking.
But the hardware line has only specific and narrow value. If you want server-grade workstation, or an increasingly huge all-in-one based on laptop components, Apple has you covered. If you want expensive high-end laptops, Apple has you fairly well covered.
If you are battening down the hatches, but still have a use for technology, but not a tremendous amount of money to spend, and want to stick to your Mac OS X values, you are SCREWED.
inexpensive, versatile desktop, and a net-pad. Build them, and sell them NOW.
It is worse to keep an overly inflated line right now, and ignore contracting spending.
Who, even in business, is just itching to spend 3000$ on laptop or 8-core server-grade hardware, if that is overkill for what they need?
Apple stands to get BURNED in this economy if they don't adapt to it. Their image, and quality can take them far, and I am not asking them to abandon it, merely to re-focus it onto more value-rich, affordable products.
In answer:
1. Mine doesn't, thats why I'm with them
2. bittorrent???
3. Who owns an apple tv?
And the real reason for no blue ray:
4. Apple will not allow proven technology (blueray) already in the marketplace to be included on it's systems as they require apple users to watch films only through itunes and spend money only on apple products.
This is only about protectionist economics and has nothing to do with technical limitations, these are simply convenient excuses.
Funny how all of these things are happening after Jobs is off the field
You mean Apple's new product line up is also on a six-month leave of absence?
How about introducing new products before discontinuing old ones?
I toook that as a major miscalculation by Apple on how briskly iPhones would sell.
In answer:
1. Mine doesn't, thats why I'm with them
2. bittorrent???
3. Who owns an apple tv?
And the real reason for no blue ray:
4. Apple will not allow proven technology (blueray) already in the marketplace to be included on it's systems as they require apple users to watch films only through itunes and spend money only on apple products.
This is only about protectionist economics and has nothing to do with technical limitations, these are simply convenient excuses.
I suspect it's more licensing reasons/DRM/compatibility issues.
Blu-Ray hasn't been out for years, and MS was hitching their wagon to HD-DVD. By the way, do you want Blu-ray for video watching, or data storage. I ask because there are blu-ray drives available now that work on Macs.
In answer:
1. Mine doesn't, thats why I'm with them
2. bittorrent???
3. Who owns an apple tv?
1. Good that you still have one that doesn't.
2. Limited by the speed for which you pay. The available speeds themselves and the prices associated therewith are the issue, not the method of distribution.
3. This doesn't support your argument in any way.
