What company executes better than Apple? I think Apple should continue doing exactly what they are doing. It’s working on a scale never seen in business.
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Apple Discontinues iPhone SE, iPhone 6s and iPhone X
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It’s still a straw man, all I am saying is that Apple is polarizing and annoys customers - this is a well known fact. I make no mention of what ratio of customers, nor do I state they annoy the majority and countering with Apple does more good than bad doesn’t invalidate the fact. Hence the straw man you put forward.
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I don’t dispute what you are saying, never have.
I simply state that Apple is polarizing and annoys customers. (Making no claims to the ratio)
When you serve a billion people, literally, that’s going to be the case. They do a great job.
The argument is if at least one person is polarized then Apple is polarizing and pissing of customers is a red-herring. A statement that applies to one or two customers is not the spirit of the argument as I can turn it around and say Apple is pleasing customers using your logic. I’m right and you're right but there are no parameters in this.
As I said, the proof is in the $1T pudding. If you choose to look at it that Apple is pissing of less customers than it is pleasing, go right ahead.
No, I said that Apple is polarizing and annoys customers. You stated they didn’t which is factually wrong.
Again nowhere am I making claims to size of the problem. You seem to conflate the two.
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So it’s nice to see you finally agree that Apple is polarizing
Apple is pleasing its customers and they are happy is factually correct. I’m glad we finally agree that Apple customers are happy and pleased. And that is where $1T comes from.
[doublepost=1537183156][/doublepost]Well for 1 thing the Xs and Xs Max have a better screen. Check comparisons online....
I didn’t really agree to anything. I said some will be unhappy no matter what you do. Who cares.
I also said Apple knows what they are doing.
People let themselves be polarized by not seeing the pros and the cons at the same time. People are very blinkered. iPhone and Android have pros and cons. Look at which product has more pros than cons for you and that's your product of choice.
But, like it or not, we will be made to have bigger phones. Maybe that's OK. There are still several high-selling phones that are not giant. The SGS8 and S9 are clearly made to be narrow, even though they are long. (The XS is shorter.
) Look at those sales figures for non-Plus models.
But, like it or not, we will be made to have bigger phones. Maybe that's OK. There are still several high-selling phones that are not giant. The SGS8 and S9 are clearly made to be narrow, even though they are long. (The XS is shorter.
) Look at those sales figures for non-Plus models.
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Apple doesn’t help themselves, take the new phones
The XR is a downgrade in terms of resolution, the iPhone 6 Plus has a resolution of 1920x 1080 yet the XR has a resolution of 1792x828 so while you can record HD on both it has to be downsized on the XR.
Look at water resistance between the XR and XS, would it have killed them to make both the same at 2 meters
Look at battery life. Apple isn’t reporting the size of battery nor the length of time it will last. Only that you get half hour more than last years model. How does this help anyone that doesn’t have last years model.
Also I battery life Apple has said it will speed up older devices. Why do you honk hat is? Because so many people have been complaining about devices slowing down.
That is to name a few things. The list is endless.
You are living in a bubble if you think Apple can do no wrong.
I think this is the likely explanation. A lot of people are jumping to the conclusion that the SE wasn’t selling sufficient numbers (because a lot of people really can’t comprehend others choosing the smaller screen/lower specs) but I suspect it’s more the case that the SE was drawing in people at too low a price point.
I’m one of those people - I’ve owned various flagship iPhones in the past, have spent much more on previous upgrades and was expecting to pay more last time - but instead I chose to save a lot of cash and get the SE instead. That’s lost revenue to Apple.
That's very short sighted of Apple, for example I would still use Apple Music if I had an SE, I would still buy apps etc. I get what you mean though.
The XS is $999, the XS Max is $1,099. Why should Apple make a 6.1” XS version at $1,049 just because you think 5.8 is too small and 6.5 is too large? Choose one or the other and stop expecting Apple to make you your perfect size. If the XR wasn’t in the lineup, you’d still have to choose between 5.8 and 6.5, so it’s existence doesn’t affect you at all.
Apple’s not stupid, and they know not everyone can pay $999+ for a new flagship iPhone. So they added a third model priced halfway between the 2017 8 and 8 Plus. Apple’s going to sell 80+ million XR’s at $749, a price made possible by removing a few features that many customers don’t seem to care much about.
If you think the third iPhone should have been a $1,049 6.1” XS variant, it’s not really that great an idea. That would price tens of millions of customers out of the market. Much smarter to strip out some features and drop the price $300. Even if it means you won’t get your 6.1” XS.
Google is in the middle of switching all their analytics to evaluate websites from a mobile-first perspective, reflecting the fact that more web traffic now comes from phones than from desktops. This makes me sad, but it's the truth. This is further evidence that the "average" consumer uses their phone like I use my laptop. I don't like it, but there it is. So larger phone screens make sense in this context.
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Those USA iPhone stats are amazing! Especially considering Samsung's smaller range of high-end offerings and all the carrier twofer and aggressive price promotions Samsung does. I did not expect to see Apple devices in all the top 9 slots. Wow.
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Those USA iPhone stats are amazing! Especially considering Samsung's smaller range of high-end offerings and all the carrier twofer and aggressive price promotions Samsung does. I did not expect to see Apple devices in all the top 9 slots. Wow.
It does make sense that the portion of the population who don't have laptops or tablets would want a larger phone.
Many reasons for all sort of people wanting large or smaller phones.
For me its about what I can fit in my jeans pocket without bendgate. I'd take the largest phone I could get away with, as long as I am not paying much extra to get it.
You must work for Apple. You do realize they could make any of the sizes cheaper, right? The markup has already been proven to be off the charts. And not only that, they could easily use the XS and/or XSMax sizes with less expensive parts just like they did for the XR, thus pricing out no one. Why not make all three in high end and low end specs so everyone could pick their poison?
You don’t have to work for Apple to realize they pick the mix of models that they think will maximize their profits. That’s what companies do—including killing off models they don’t think have a place in their present/future lineup, like the SE.
Wanting them to make 3 sizes of LCD and 3 sizes of OLED is fine but it’s nothing they’re interested in doing. They think they’ve picked the best 3 of those 6 possibilities.
re: markup, Apple makes about 20% net profit; more than some, less than others. If you were running Apple, how much would you drop that net profit percentage?
Our entire company uses the SE as it’s business phone. My SE is first a phone and text device. I live in the Apple ecosystem ie 2 phones, 3 iPads and a MacBook Air. Another thing Apple knows is main customer base can’t pay cash for their phones. But hey if you contract with a carrier you can pay for it over two years or more. My family doesn’t do contracts with cell phone service so we buy phones outright.
The SE is the perfect sized mobile device. My IPads are the perfect sized mobile media device. Not everyone has an iPad which would cost you less than half than the new phones including the price of a new SE which is under $200.00 Phone leases or it’s contract phone users don’t care about phone costs.
I personally love a phone that does everything well and fits in my shirt pocket. I find it stupid that Apple discontinued the SE. A great affordable device for the masses. Not a smart business move imo.
The SE is the perfect sized mobile device. My IPads are the perfect sized mobile media device. Not everyone has an iPad which would cost you less than half than the new phones including the price of a new SE which is under $200.00 Phone leases or it’s contract phone users don’t care about phone costs.
I personally love a phone that does everything well and fits in my shirt pocket. I find it stupid that Apple discontinued the SE. A great affordable device for the masses. Not a smart business move imo.
One of the big reasons why I now have the Xs on lease. I will pay only AUD$1239 including the plan before I hand the phone back in a year and it's a Xs 256GB going for AUD$1879 outright. (Not to mention 5G and folding screens around the corner - it's not the smartest decision to sink so much money into a phone like this at this time!)
My SE isn't going anywhere - I'm using it for places where I don't want to take the Xs, like travel and camping. It's also my music player until I find a good place/product/price for two audio adapters for the Xs.
I still have a big soft spot for the SE and it's still not unpleasant to use after having the Xs. Operating it is still so functional and iOS 12 is peachy. But the all-rounder capabilities and technical advances of the Xs mean that I need to move with the times, as nice as the SE remains.
Unfortunately, that is the Apple of today. It is bankrupt of new ideas based on what it has done over the past few years.
It is riding the crest of a wave; unfortunately, all waves break.
I like iPads.
When an iPad mini is too big to carry around, when I am biking or jogging, I want a small phone that does not weigh me down. The iPhone SE is the perfect size. I would have liked to see it updated.
I also wanted to see an update to iPad mini! It is the perfect size iPad for using on the go when you are walking/transiting/driving and travelling.
I also plan to get a new large iPad Pro when the new one comes out, if the specs look good enough.
My ideal set up: big iPad for productivity: writing, composing/editing/producing music, editing/organizing photos and videos; updated iPad Mini for email, messaging, reading and GAMING!, and an updated iphone SE for when I need small.
When an iPad mini is too big to carry around, when I am biking or jogging, I want a small phone that does not weigh me down. The iPhone SE is the perfect size. I would have liked to see it updated.
I also wanted to see an update to iPad mini! It is the perfect size iPad for using on the go when you are walking/transiting/driving and travelling.
I also plan to get a new large iPad Pro when the new one comes out, if the specs look good enough.
My ideal set up: big iPad for productivity: writing, composing/editing/producing music, editing/organizing photos and videos; updated iPad Mini for email, messaging, reading and GAMING!, and an updated iphone SE for when I need small.
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Don’t get me wrong as I’m all about technology advancement. I pay 10 bucks a month for a SE on Tracfone. When I travel I take either my iPad or iPad mini 4 with me for media. My MacBook Air only cost $999.00 U.S.
I don’t consider what I call a hablet ie half sized tablet a true media device or a phone . We can surf, gps, map, music etc on our SE. I don’t think Apple abandoning smaller phone users was a smart move. I’d pay a premium cash for a next gen SE. This isn’t just about Apple. It’s about major cell phone carriers making their money off new phones as well.
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We’re in the same boat. I haven’t been sold on the iPad Pro yet because my MacBook Air still fits the bill for my keyboard needs. The big iPhones don’t work for athletes especially runners.