I went looking for a 128 GB se. Couldn't really find one, and without the waterproofing, it would need to be in a case. I'll upgrade from a 64 GB 6S to a 128 GB 6S. Apple's got me pegged.
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Apple Discontinues iPhone SE, iPhone 6s and iPhone X
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For me it is nothing to do with who runs the company, but what they take away from me. And over the years the list is vast
I don't find those companies removing so much from their devices, not do i see the walled garden, dictatorship kind of behaviour. You just have to look at the word courage, no other company has behaved like Apple, may perhaps microsoft and you see how it nearly killed them.
I guess there are spectrums in everything, but one would have to agree that there are many fans on here that obviously have blind faith in Apple, that are Apple appologists
Its not the same thing, when you are in an ecosystem like Apple, one is used to an operating system so hard to switch. Hence all the bad decisions they make annoy people even more.
Take for instance removing the headphone jack. There was absolutely no reason for Apple to remove this but it pissed off so many customers.
I upgraded to the 6 for the larger screen size, I currently believe that was the largest one that would fit in my jeans front pocket without bending, now I have no current phone to upgrade to without getting a larger device, so I can see why the SE crowd are pissed
Is that a self fulfilling prophecy, you want the latest device, you have to get a bigger phone
they will have to wait and see
In an eco system, there are just some things you can only accept, doesn't correlate that people like having to carry a dongle, I often listen to podcasts where the hosts still mention that they lose and forget dongles.
Not all, I can only fathom that some companies copy Apple do they are not different, no reason to copy poor decisions like headphone jack and notch
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Personally I think the lineup should be
iPhone X small, medium and phablet ;-)
I think it will be gone next year.
Here’s one possibility — Apple will introduce a new 4.7’’ “XE” which will be a combo of the 7 and 8, in a slimmer case with a faceID notch. They’ll price it higher when it’s introduced, but start dropping in next year when they discontinue the 7. So it won’t be much bigger than the SE, but it will have the same sized screen as the 7 & 8. Then the XS will eventually drop down in price, and assume the same role as the 8 Plus, leaving only the 8 as the low end model from the previous generation. Then the following year, the “XE” and XS will be the entry models.
X? New Flagship/2019
XS Max 6.5 $1099/$999
XS 5.8 $999/$899
XR 6.1 $749/$649
XE 4.7 $549/$499
8 Plus 5.5 $599/$569
8 4.7 $499/$449/discontinued 2020
7 Plus 5.5 $569/discontinued 2019
7 4.7 $449/discontinued 2019
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The iPhone 7 and 8 are the exact same size, and those are definitely major upgrades over the 6. The XS is actually slightly larger (.2”) than the 7 & 8 with a much bigger display. So if you’re OK with the 6, you’ve got at least two identical options and one flagship that’s about the same size.
The SE is a whole different issue. But I’d take a slightly larger SE with a 4.7 full screen display with the notch in a smaller case.
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I think that would cut sales by at least 80 million iPhones. Starting the lineup at $599/699 would price a lot of customers out of the market.
It’s really not confusing. There are 2 types of “old model phone.”
There are 3 new phones that all have distinctly different features.
That said, how much data do you think Apple based their current lineup upon? To be frank, they have thought through this far longer than us. They have so much data to base their decision on, it’s totally unreasonable to think you can make a better decision with so little information.
Apple is executing a much larger strategy that is far bigger than this year’s lineup. They have to think long term. There are so many moving parts with suppliers, inventory, assembly , part availability, production lines, etc etc.
I always come back to the same point. If the SE needed to exist for the business, it would. If enough people wanted it, it would exist. If enough people wouldn’t buy the new phones because they want the SE, it would exist today.
Lastly, it still might exist at a later time. I predict they’ll release an Xr Mini or Xs Mini. Maybe less budget focused, but smaller size.
I swear the folks mourning over the SE is as if their favorite little dog died. Best Buy still sells the 5s and 6 in prepaid form. The 6s, SE, and X will live on. They just won't be available from Apple Stores.
If many people can adjust to driving different-sized cars and TV screens, why can't some start learning to adjust to a bigger phone like most of us have been doing since 2011-2014? If you can't adjust, that's your fault. Not Apple's.
And if you can't adjust and feel so sad the SE will have no successor, then stockpile as many SEs as you can. There's a ton of them at Walmart and Best Buy for under $200. Stockpile them like water and toilet paper after a natural disaster.
It's really not a big deal if Apple has discontinued them from their stores. Apple focuses on high profit margins. Not volume sales. Apple doesn't want to dilute their brand catering to a niche audience. They are just phones. Trying to make mole hills into the Rocky Mountains.
If many people can adjust to driving different-sized cars and TV screens, why can't some start learning to adjust to a bigger phone like most of us have been doing since 2011-2014? If you can't adjust, that's your fault. Not Apple's.
And if you can't adjust and feel so sad the SE will have no successor, then stockpile as many SEs as you can. There's a ton of them at Walmart and Best Buy for under $200. Stockpile them like water and toilet paper after a natural disaster.
It's really not a big deal if Apple has discontinued them from their stores. Apple focuses on high profit margins. Not volume sales. Apple doesn't want to dilute their brand catering to a niche audience. They are just phones. Trying to make mole hills into the Rocky Mountains.
I skipped the 7 and 8, why would I want to upgrade to 2 year old tech?
Also why would I want to buy a $1600 AUD phone.
Apples phones are getting bigger an bigger
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Your analogies suck. You hit the nail on the head though with statements like
"learn to adjust", "its not a big deal"
Ever heard the saying I'm alright jack?
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So you are saying the richest largest smartphone supplier in the world can't make more than 3 new models when every other company that doesn't make a profit can?
I don't get any of this. You're blaming apple customers for Apple doing what apple has done since the SJ era? Which is, "tell people what they want". "Blind faith" and "apple apologists" reinforces my thoughts about where you believe the "blame" for your own dissatisfaction with apple lies.
Which people does apple annoy? They don't annoy me. I'm free to spend my dollars as I see fit. And it's easy to switch if you have a vast dissatisfaction. Although there used to be 4 types of phones, now it's down to two.
If removing the headphone jack pissed off many customers, it would appear to be take the good with the bad and see what's most important. It doesn't show in their financials.
They are the richest company in he world and are that because they don’t act like every other company.
I find it fascinating that in 10 years the iPhone went from an "expensive" status-symbol toy/luxury item that was an upper-class item, to an even more expensive yet indispensable tool that's diffused to some extent into all strata of society. (Of course Android sells more and has lower-cost options for people who can't even consider an iPhone).
We are reacting here to the play-by-play in what for Apple is a multi-year very long game. They are probably envisioning a future where devices no longer have screens at all. Current Apple customers are funding the development of that future. I'll keep my SE for now and wait to see what they are working towards. There is nothing I need to do with an iPhone now that I can't do with an SE, so an Xs would be overkill. But hopefully their secret, undisclosed vision of a high-tech future will be worth it. I also hope it will be affordable for more people.
At the same time, I keep looking at Chromebooks and Windows laptops, and I like my Android phone very much. I'm inching closer to the cliff's edge of jumping out of the expensive Apple ecosystem. They prioritize a "superior experience", but I'm no longer convinced it's superior enough to pay for. Especially since I hate typing on their "superior" butterfly keyboard, the palm rejection on their "superior" oversized trackpad fails me, and their cloud services compare poorly to the alternatives.
We are reacting here to the play-by-play in what for Apple is a multi-year very long game. They are probably envisioning a future where devices no longer have screens at all. Current Apple customers are funding the development of that future. I'll keep my SE for now and wait to see what they are working towards. There is nothing I need to do with an iPhone now that I can't do with an SE, so an Xs would be overkill. But hopefully their secret, undisclosed vision of a high-tech future will be worth it. I also hope it will be affordable for more people.
At the same time, I keep looking at Chromebooks and Windows laptops, and I like my Android phone very much. I'm inching closer to the cliff's edge of jumping out of the expensive Apple ecosystem. They prioritize a "superior experience", but I'm no longer convinced it's superior enough to pay for. Especially since I hate typing on their "superior" butterfly keyboard, the palm rejection on their "superior" oversized trackpad fails me, and their cloud services compare poorly to the alternatives.
It shows in the financials of purchases of the 3.5mm to lightning adapter. Being pissed off doesn't mean you don't spend.
Remember when TVs with HDMI ports were first introduced? Most customers were not pleased with having to spend additional money for a HDMI cable, but it certainly doesn't mean that they won't buy
And everybody who breathes air dies, doesn't mean air kills you.
You know fine will that Apple is a polarizing company and pisses off a lot of people.
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Thats your point of view and not based in fact. If Apple wasn't so Polarising and didn't care so much about bean counting, they probably would have been a 2 trillion dollar company by now.
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That's illogical. You can be pissed off and still have reasons that you have to buy an iPhone. Such as compatibility with work etc.
Also being pissed off means that I haven't upgraded after 2 years like I normally do. If I did that then by the sounds of it more who complain in here have done that as well.
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Ha ha, not true, our company buys models like the 5c and SE. So I am guessing other companies do too...I remember our tech support phone for the team got broken and replaced by a 5c, its got a cracked screen again so only time will tell what it gets replaced with
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The NYTimes made an interesting point: Apple is seeing revenue growth in "Services", and you can sell more services on a larger phone screen (games, video content, consumables like news & magazines).
Personally, I'd rather have a smaller portable phone plus a tablet for "consuming" media, but I guess that's not how the public is voting with their dollars.
Personally, I'd rather have a smaller portable phone plus a tablet for "consuming" media, but I guess that's not how the public is voting with their dollars.
I don't know how accurate you can take any site that does sales statistics, but this page was interesting none the less.
https://deviceatlas.com/blog/most-popular-smartphones#us
Looks clear that US loves its iPhones
Australia likes its iPhones but also Samsung.
https://deviceatlas.com/blog/most-popular-smartphones#australia
And found this site for screensize forecast - https://www.statista.com/statistics/684294/global-smartphone-shipments-by-screen-size/
https://deviceatlas.com/blog/most-popular-smartphones#us
Looks clear that US loves its iPhones
Australia likes its iPhones but also Samsung.
https://deviceatlas.com/blog/most-popular-smartphones#australia
And found this site for screensize forecast - https://www.statista.com/statistics/684294/global-smartphone-shipments-by-screen-size/
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People still begrudgingly spend money especially when they're stuck in an ecosystem.
Because a common indication of a straw-man is a general statement that can not be proven, which that is.
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None of what is being discussed here is fact. It is all opinion. We are now down to an argument about whether you are pissed off when you spend? Or you can spend and not be pissed off? You can feel any which way you want. But you cannot say the way you feel is applicable to anyone beyond your circle and can't project that to the masses, as people like to do in a way of bolstering their own confirmational bias.
As far as not upgrading your phone, I'll take your word you are pissed off, so get a Galaxy and other Samsung hardware if you dislike Apple so much. Apple won't care.
This site a microcosm. If you read the posts Apple should have died on the vine (pun intended). But instead under Tim Cook, it became a trillion dollar company. I'm sure there are people who feel as you do, but the silent majority, is buying Apple products. You however, are free to do as you want and then post about how pissed off you are and how polarizing apple is as a company. Frankly, if I wasted so much emotional baggage on a company, I would move an so I could be happier in my life. But that's me.
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A strawman is giving the impression that they are refuting your argument, when in fact they are refuting an argument that you did not put forward.
You said that Apple removing the headphone jack didn't piss off many customers because it didn't show up in the financials.
This was countered by someone saying that someone could still be pissed while still buying into the ecosystem.
You said this was a strawman which it is not.
Where is your proof that people don't buy Apple even if they are annoyed at things Apple has done?
I know plenty of people who don't agree with every design choice on the iPhone but don't leave the ecosystem because the bother of moving is less than adjusting to whatever they find annoying.
It is not all opinion, I can see from many sites, podcasts and co-workers that many people take a disliking to Apple.
I can also see that the majority of people like Apple products and accept both the advantages and disadvantages of being in the Apple ecosystem.
It is not easy to switch and I have reasons for staying in the Apple ecosystem, no matter how much I dislike Apple. Perhaps if those reasons no longer apply I will try switching.
You don't know anything about my life or my happiness.
At the same time if you read posts, Apple have never stepped a foot wrong, Tim Cook is god, etc.
If I wasted that much time caring if anyone says anything negative about my favourite company, I would move on to be happier in my life.
Of course I don't believe in that last sentence I wrote, but theres how it looks turned the other way around.
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There is feature disparity and mess in the iPhone lineup. Too many models.
There are four models of old phone, then a premium phone and then a cheaper premium phone.
There is not enough pricing disparity either.
As I've said over and over and over - they obviously base it off what will make them the most money, REGARDLESS of what the customer feels.
Apple making a lot of money isn't equal to there not being demand for a smaller phone.